Unpopular Motorsport Opinions

[Har1MAS1415]

Wouldnt say rigged as in its fixed for someone to win but rigged as in fixed so anyone can win as long as you made it to the last few laps.

Before the Stages gimmick overcomplicated the scoring system. Debris Yellows were quite common often not even showing what caused the Debris Yellow. These Debris Yellows dropped down massively when Stages were introduced that did the job if buncing everyone together anyway.

Needlessly overcomplicated.

 

[Blitz24]

NASCAR has had a few instances of race manipulation.

Fall Richmond 2013, when a driver intentionally spun to bring out a caution and another pitted to intentionally drop positions and clinch their teammate a spot in the playoffs (which was rescinded).

Homestead 2019, when race teams manipulated finishing order to gain one team a monetary bonus (all were penalized so no bonus was given).

Martinsville 2024, when two Chevrolet drivers blocked others from passing another Chevrolet in order to secure a driver in the championship race, while simultaneously a Toyota driver dropped back to let another Toyota try to pass him (the 2nd Toyota driver also ended up hitting the wall like Chastain, which ultimately caused a safety violation penalizing him).

These are the most recent 3 that were all discovered through radio communication and there have definitely been others (Kevin Harvick lining up a car to restart a race at Talladega where he knew the car wouldn't meet minimum speed due to a power issue and causing an accident comes to mind).

Chastain's move was not illegal at the time, so it wasn't penalized. Sometimes it takes someone to break the spirit of racing in such a way that further attempts actually break the rules of racing.

 

[Har1MAS1415]

NASCAR has had a few instances of race manipulation.

Fall Richmond 2013, when a driver intentionally spun to bring out a caution and another pitted to intentionally drop positions and clinch their teammate a spot in the playoffs (which was rescinded).

Homestead 2019, when race teams manipulated finishing order to gain one team a monetary bonus (all were penalized so no bonus was given).

Martinsville 2024, when two Chevrolet drivers blocked others from passing another Chevrolet in order to secure a driver in the championship race, while simultaneously a Toyota driver dropped back to let another Toyota try to pass him (the 2nd Toyota driver also ended up hitting the wall like Chastain, which ultimately caused a safety violation penalizing him).

These are the most recent 3 that were all discovered through radio communication and there have definitely been others (Kevin Harvick lining up a car to restart a race at Talladega where he knew the car wouldn't meet minimum speed due to a power issue and causing an accident comes to mind).

Chastain's move was not illegal at the time, so it wasn't penalized. Sometimes it takes someone to break the spirit of racing in such a way that further attempts actually break the rules of racing.

Wasn't referring to Chastain specifically, more the mention of rigging in general in the video.

 

[Pete05]

Wouldnt say rigged as in its fixed for someone to win but rigged as in fixed so anyone can win as long as you made it to the last few laps.

Before the Stages gimmick overcomplicated the scoring system. Debris Yellows were quite common often not even showing what caused the Debris Yellow. These Debris Yellows dropped down massively when Stages were introduced that did the job if buncing everyone together anyway.

A tissue blew across the track > Yellow

Debris Yellows used to be a drink bottle or a rag from one of the cars, if it suited a particular driver or team at that time.
That was something that became a rarer occurrence the better the TV/camera coverage got and the enforcement of the related penalties.

Race Control bunching the field for an exciting race finish? I couldn't be convinced it doesn't happen.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Any first lap broadcast that cuts to live onboard of a car is awful. If any part of the race NEEDS wide shots of a few corners that keeps as much of the pack visible, it's lap 1. There is so much jostling that the chances of the live onboard being the one where something important and worth seeing happen happens is lower.

This video for example spends too much time with a useless onboard while cars are running wide in the background and a whole GT4 race starts behind.

 

[Imbissbrunto]

I always find it very amusing when people try to make moral arguments about F1 racing in Qatar and Saudi Arabia or when they criticize the races at e.g. Las Vegas as „too commercial“.

Professional sports are not about ethics, they are about money. And the FIA goes where they can make the most of it, just like the FIFA or IOC do.

But still, many people refuse to accept that fact, just like how most people have no idea how common PED use is with professional athletes (it‘s the norm, not the exception).

Having said that, I still enjoy watching F1, WEC and UFC but I‘m not delusional about it.

 

[Barra333]

Any first lap broadcast that cuts to live onboard of a car is awful. If any part of the race NEEDS wide shots of a few corners that keeps as much of the pack visible, it's lap 1. There is so much jostling that the chances of the live onboard being the one where something important and worth seeing happen happens is lower.

This video for example spends too much time with a useless onboard while cars are running wide in the background and a whole GT4 race starts behind.

I'd defend the first cut to onboard - the wide shot was looking at a cloud of dust.

 

[Pete05]

I'd defend the first cut to onboard - the wide shot was looking at a cloud of dust.

I'm with you.

The only alternative to the Director, was to take the vision from the camera positioned on the outside of Cascades, looking back up the track to Denton's, and waiting for the cars to appear.

Where I'm with @Jimlaad43 is the second cut to the in-car as they race out of Cascades towards Island Bend.
Opening laps and until the field settles down, needs external wide shots.
They can always go to replays of must see in-car moments.

 

[Liquid]

Referring to drivers by their first names is pure cringe, almost the purest cringe in motorsport fandom.

I'm sure I've done it, before any vanguard gatekeepers try to slay me, but I absolutely stand by what I've just said.

 

[Com Fox]

Referring to drivers by their first names is pure cringe, almost the purest cringe in motorsport fandom.

I'm sure I've done it, before any vanguard gatekeepers try to slay me, but I absolutely stand by what I've just said.

What if the driver in question has a brother/sister who is also a race car driver? (even moreso when theyre in the same series)

 

[Barra333]

Referring to drivers by their first names is pure cringe, almost the purest cringe in motorsport fandom.

I'm sure I've done it, before any vanguard gatekeepers try to slay me, but I absolutely stand by what I've just said.

You're welcome to your opinion, but I'm going to disagree here. I don't see what is so bad about talking about Max, Lando, Oscar, Lewis and Charles as opposed to Verstappen, Piastri, Norris, Hamilton and Leclerc. It also happens that the vast majority of the current grid have given names that roll off the tongue better than their surnames.

 

[Pete05]

You're welcome to your opinion, but I'm going to disagree here. I don't see what is so bad about talking about Max, Lando, Oscar, Lewis and Charles as opposed to Verstappen, Piastri, Norris, Hamilton and Leclerc. It also happens that the vast majority of the current grid have given names that roll off the tongue better than their surnames.

I reckon I could easily compose a list of two dozen drivers at International, or high profile National level, such as Indycar, NASCAR, using just their first name.

I'm convinced if you follow the category, most would know who I was referring to.

You could even apply the same theory to some that have been retired for decades.

 

[XJ40]

Referring to drivers by their first names is pure cringe, almost the purest cringe in motorsport fandom.

I'm sure I've done it, before any vanguard gatekeepers try to slay me, but I absolutely stand by what I've just said.

I hadn't really noticed until you said this, but I use first or second names when talking to mates about F1 drivers. 90s BTCC drivers are always second names now I think about it.

John, Paul, Tim and Patrick? No idea.

Cleland, Radisich, Harvey and Watts? That's better

 

[Jimlaad43]

I hadn't really noticed until you said this, but I use first or second names when talking to mates about F1 drivers. 90s BTCC drivers are always second names now I think about it.

John, Paul, Tim and Patrick? No idea.

Cleland, Radisich, Harvey and Watts? That's better

I dunno, we all know who you mean when you say "Jason".

 

[Tired Tyres]

I think it was started when Daniil Kvyat was in F1 and nobody could pronounce his name.

 

[Barra333]

Or Ralf Schumacher.

 

[Pete05]

And yet at the mention of 90s BTCC, I scored 4 out of 4 with only the first names just by association.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Referring to drivers by their first names is pure cringe, almost the purest cringe in motorsport fandom.

I'm sure I've done it, before any vanguard gatekeepers try to slay me, but I absolutely stand by what I've just said.

I did this yesterday elsewhere on the internet, and yeah, I actually cringed at myself directly afterwards.

 

[-Fred-]

I dunno, we all know who you mean when you say "Jason".

Well, since we're on the subject of unpopular opinions, although I'm not sure it's actually THAT unpopular: He's a ****. There's a lot of drivers I've disliked over the years, but Potato's miles above everyone else. He's always come off as an unlikeable, whiney arse.

 

[Roo]

This Jordan 194 dressed up as a show car for 1996 looks better in this livery than the original Sasol and friends livery the 194 raced in.

https://www.my105.com/search/detail...-chassis/ac6eaec5-275b-4532-aa33-b0c6170c7550

 

[-Fred-]

I don't think the Sasol livery is considered as one of the all time greats, to be fair.

 

[Liquid]

The Jordan 195 also got the B&H treatment when Colin McRae drove it at Silverstone in 1996.

 

[desmodan]

I don't think the Sasol livery is considered as one of the all time greats, to be fair.

I think we can all agree on that.

I always liked the 7Up livery from '91.

 

[Pete05]

I think we can all agree on that.

I always liked the 7Up livery from '91.

The 7up livery on the Jordan 191 is often nominated as one of the most beautiful cars in all of Formula One history.

It's one of those cars, that if it were just given a plain white look, would still be identifiable to a Formula One observer.