Veyron: Disappointment?

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UkHardcore23
The 16.4 done it 4th fastest? Yet it's still a brick on wheels? *laughable*
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The point still stands. Cars with less acceleration and top speed beat it around the track. What does that tell you?

If you throw enough power at a car, it will be fast around a track, good handling or not. Why? Because it will compensate for early braking and low cornering speeds by accelerating fast and reaching high top speeds.

And I don't really get why people get all butthurt about someone telling them that a four wheel driven car with a weight of 1.9 tonnes of weight can't really be expected to handle very well and compensates that by high speeds achieved by fast acceleration due to the massive power.

I don't know where people get the idea from that the Veyron is the be all and all car to take to the track. It's quite evdent if you discard Top Gears idea of which cars are allowed to post lap times on the power lap board and which don't. As can be seen here.
 
Luminis
The point still stands. Cars with less acceleration and top speed beat it around the track. What does that tell you?

If you throw enough power at a car, it will be fast around a track, good handling or not. Why? Because it will compensate for early braking and low cornering speeds by accelerating fast and reaching high top speeds.

And I don't really get why people get all butthurt about someone telling them that a four wheel driven car with a weight of 1.9 tonnes of weight can't really be expected to handle very well and compensates that by high speeds achieved by fast acceleration due to the massive power.

I don't know where people get the idea from that the Veyron is the be all and all car to take to the track. It's quite evdent if you discard Top Gears idea of which cars are allowed to post lap times on the power lap board and which don't. As can be seen here.
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No one is saying the Veyron is the be all and end all just your talking rubbish by claiming the handling is awful and is "a brick on wheels" 👎
 
You do realise this debate in the real world is just silly right? I mean who here has the money to buy any of the cars mentioned? Someone said that for value for money the ssc has a better interior than the veyron...really? I don't think it matters as the money is unreachable to ordinary people. Plus the veyrons interior is better. Personally I prefer the mclaren f1 and veyron to the ssc (but as I stated it doesn't matter as I'll never own one)
 
UkHardcore23
No one is saying the Veyron is the be all and end all just your talking rubbish by claiming the handling is awful and is "a brick on wheels" 👎
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Go on and quote me on the "brick on wheels" bit. I'm saying that it's a fat AWD car (and at 1.9 tonnes of weight it is) that performs as well as it does because of it's massive power, not because of any spectacular handling. Thus, it can't be expected to hang with cars that handle better (due to less weight and/or more downforce) that get closer to it's HP figures.

It's like telling someone that a stock Nissan S15 isn't going to do 200mp/h.

It's plain obvious that the Veyron's strength isn't its handling. That's its weakness. Otherwise, cars like Noble I mentioned before wouldn't be able to beat it. And, yet, people expect the Veyron to beat cars that surpass something like a Noble M600.
And then there are some people who're telling them that that's not exactly suprising but just what you'd have to expect.
 
zachthemaniac
Just beat GT World Championship and was pretty excited when I found my new Veyron in the delivery truck. I thought I could beat Like The Wind, only to find it severely lacked in the acceleration department, despite having over 950 horsepower. In addition, the thing suffers from a bad case of understeer, so I had to slow down way more than everyone else on the Indy course. What are your thoughts on this car? :mad:
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my thoughts are it's a road car that goes fast straight, not a race car that goes fast where ever it wants. so basically it's modeled correct.
 
Luminis
The point still stands. Cars with less acceleration and top speed beat it around the track. What does that tell you?

If you throw enough power at a car, it will be fast around a track, good handling or not. Why? Because it will compensate for early braking and low cornering speeds by accelerating fast and reaching high top speeds.

And I don't really get why people get all butthurt about someone telling them that a four wheel driven car with a weight of 1.9 tonnes of weight can't really be expected to handle very well and compensates that by high speeds achieved by fast acceleration due to the massive power.

I don't know where people get the idea from that the Veyron is the be all and all car to take to the track. It's quite evdent if you discard Top Gears idea of which cars are allowed to post lap times on the power lap board and which don't. As can be seen here.
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That Caparo T1 in the lead reminds me of the x2010. I remember seeing that totally forgot about it. Goes to show you that the technology of the x2010 isn't BS at all. If the Caparo T1 was setup little more like the x2010, it will show all those x2010 haters that it isn't false numbers.
 
MadBullBunny
That Caparo T1 in the lead reminds me of the x2010. I remember seeing that totally forgot about it. Goes to show you that the technology of the x2010 isn't BS at all. If the Caparo T1 was setup little more like the x2010, it will show all those x2010 haters that it isn't false numbers.
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The Caparo is designed to achieve a somewhat similar goal to the X2010, so that's where the similarities come from.
Whether the X2010 could work in the real world like it does in the game would hinge on other factors than the car's design though. Not killing the driver in the process of setting a lap reccord, for example :lol:
 
veyron1001
99% of the people who race them online crash to win anyways.
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That makes me a 1%er. Since trying this car with a steering wheel, I will be using the Veyron only. It handles just fine.

I've been telling people online, "I'm in the Veyron, if you are going to try an pass me do it on the brakes, do not try an pass me exiting a corner, it's just not going to happen."
 
Just adjust the diffs, put abit more of the power to the rear, do some suspension adjustments, throw on race tires and it take's corners like a champ. No one take's the time to better the Veyron, all everyone does is complain about it. If you buy the parts and then spend some time testing and tuning, you'll get it how you want it.
 
Luminis
The Caparo is designed to achieve a somewhat similar goal to the X2010, so that's where the similarities come from.
Whether the X2010 could work in the real world like it does in the game would hinge on other factors than the car's design though. Not killing the driver in the process of setting a lap reccord, for example :lol:
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I agree, tho the X2010's handling and speed on the game is abit unrealistic. Taking the corners at Indianapolis at 290 mph? I don't think so.
 
Luminis
The Caparo is designed to achieve a somewhat similar goal to the X2010, so that's where the similarities come from.
Whether the X2010 could work in the real world like it does in the game would hinge on other factors than the car's design though. Not killing the driver in the process of setting a lap reccord, for example :lol:
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Well yes. I know that I was just saying I totally forgot about that car. Many people were saying the x2010 is impossible and such and I was just referring that there is a car similar to it with less power that was putting up an awesome time. Over in the lame playstation forums there was a thread saying the x2010 couldn't be made cause it would destroy itself from the Gs is pulls with what little holds it together. >_>
 
Yah its funny how people assuming we don't have the material strong enough to actually build the x2010. I mean its not like we have jets that pull over 10gs with little dinky flaps to make it turn and sorts.
 
I had the Veyron sat in my garage, never used it. Until I saw this thread, so I though I'd take it out for some laps, see how it stands up to my hotlaps. All I did was throw a set of sport soft boots on it and off I went.

Oh my god, this thing is amazing! I am destroying my lap times, it's four second faster than my best cars on some courses. It is so stable, it felt like all the aids were on, I had to double check, but nope only ABS1.

This car is unholy, I have no idea how anyone can think it sucks. Acceleration is amazing, cornering is superb, tons of grip, it feels solid and stable even when breaking from 190mph+ on uneven ground on a slight turn.

I am utterly impressed with this car, it's right at the top of my all time great car list now.
 
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its because people dont realise they take corner entry @ double the speed that the other cars can go.
I manage 7:20 @ Nurburgring, with a stock one all aid off execpt abs to 1.
 
zachthemaniac
Just beat GT World Championship and was pretty excited when I found my new Veyron in the delivery truck. I thought I could beat Like The Wind, only to find it severely lacked in the acceleration department, despite having over 950 horsepower. In addition, the thing suffers from a bad case of understeer, so I had to slow down way more than everyone else on the Indy course. What are your thoughts on this car? :mad:
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I don't think it lacks acceleration.
I haven't tried to drive the car in real life (good luck doing that, hehe), so I can't tell if the steering is realistic, but I don't like the car in the game.
 
MasterFocus
its because people dont realise they take corner entry @ double the speed that the other cars can go.
I manage 7:20 @ Nurburgring, with a stock one all aid off execpt abs to 1.
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Exactly, you forget that the car is so fast because it drives so neutral, so you take most corners way too fast. I also find it's performance impressive, still don't like the looks of it and the handling doesn't excite me (too stiff).
 
MasterFocus
its because people dont realise they take corner entry @ double the speed that the other cars can go.
I manage 7:20 @ Nurburgring, with a stock one all aid off execpt abs to 1.
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And that's where the idea that the Veyron handles bad comes from. It's compared to cars that run 7:20s on sports tyres while having less than 350HP. So you get this 1000HP monster and it can't beat the lap times of cars with a rough third of it's HP figure.
What should people think of it?
 
"Bad" is a exaggeration, of course it can't corner like a Super 7, but it's actually pretty easy to drive, no extreme oversteering, very neutral, which is surprising for a car with 1001 HP. It isn't a lot faster on a normal track than most supercars, but none of the other supercars can drive 400 kph.
 
My thoughts? It was better than I expected. I can't believe so many people thought and think this is the end all be all car. It is fast but it is a tank and it does not drive well. Far to heavy to be a contender.

As for beating like the wind with it :) yeah there is about 100-200 cars that can do it but this one is no where near the top of that list.


Edit Neutral? It is AWD and heavy. It suffers from understeer. I would not call that neutral but I guess some people think differently.
 
Veyron? What's a Veyron? If we're lucky, there will be a Dagger GT in GT6! I don't know how it will handle but it's power is.....kind of astonishing.
 
I thought I could beat Like The Wind, only to find it severely lacked in the acceleration department, despite having over 950 horsepower. In addition, the thing suffers from a bad case of understeer, so I had to slow down way more than everyone else on the Indy course.
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You obviously haven't driven the Jay Leno Tank car yet:irked:

The Veyron corners just as fast as any other sports car, just that it accelerates so fast that you have to slow right down to take one.

It also weighs nearly 2 tons:crazy:
 
Things to remember about the Veyron.

It's designed to be the fastest car first and foremost. And not in the pants on fire kind of way that the Ultimate Aero is, but in the 'even your Gran could handle it' kind of way that German cars manage high speed.

This means rock solid straight line stability which will make it unresponsive to cornering. Look at something like an Elise. It can corner like a house fly on a windy track, but at high (relatively) speed it still feels twitchy.

Also no one has any idea of long term reliability of the Veyron or the SSC but I'm willing to bet that the Veyron will hold together like a well built Golf where as the SSC probably more like a TVR. That chassis solidity comes at the price of weight, and that isn't weight caused by cornering improving chassis parts like a GTR (which it only weighs 100kg more than) but just being able to actually hold that engine together when those ~1000bhp are laid down.

It's cornering characteristics are not caused by weight or AWD. Stick a fat passenger in a GTR and it weighs the same and also uses AWD. But that's tuned as a track weapon. The Veyron a comfortable, safe cruiser that can also blow anything else away in speed.
 
MasterFocus
its because people dont realise they take corner entry @ double the speed that the other cars can go.
I manage 7:20 @ Nurburgring, with a stock one all aid off execpt abs to 1.
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Mmm...yeah. My stock (well, CPU and air filter upgrade + oil change) NSX-R on Sport Softs runs 7:40s (probably 7:30s honestly, I'm just being conservative) on the Nurburgring easy and corners like a slot car. It has about 300hp I think?

The Nordschleife is a high speed track, so you have quite a lot of opportunities to lay down that 1000hp straight line power, but only beat my NSX by 20 seconds. Sure 20 seconds is a long time but you have 700 more HP...just how much time are you losing in those corners? ;)

I've always thought the Veyron was a complete load...Sure it's a feat of engineering...I guess. Probably not as much as people want to think, we had 1000+ hp engines back in WW2 and I'm not so sure the Veyrons engine weighs much less than they did :P

I have a hard time taking anyone who worships the Veyron or would choose it as a "dream car" seriously as a car enthusiast.
 
Glad to see the last few replies are mostly sensible, like many I won the Veyron pretty early on and it didn't dissappoint me at all. Just a few points perhaps worthy of note:

1. Those expecting an LMP or even GT killer, do you actually know much about performance cars?

2. A quick test of the McLaren F1 and the Veyron around my favourite track Trial Mountain yielded a best lap by the McLaren around 0.8secs faster than the Veyron, which is what i expected, perhaps the Veyron would win out on a faster track. Seriously drive them properly and compare

3. You do realise that the illusion of speed can be deceptive in GT and you are actually hurtling down that straight about 80mph faster than usual, so you might wanna brake a little earlier?

4. See above and point 1. The Veyron is a road car.

5. 20 seconds in one lap, even the Nurburgring, is really quite an advantage. OK much more power and max speed but there are only a few places you are actually going to get the chance to utlize that. 20 secs is quite a lot, google or check wikipedia for Nordschleiffe lap times, you might be surprised how quickly some supposedly slower cars have lapped it in
 
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Some of you are totally missing the entire point of the Veyron, its a luxury car that has a ludicrous top speed. The F1 is a track car thats street legal. The Veyron is an engineering masterpiece that was created to be the fastest production vehicle and it achived that while being very easy to drive for anyone.
 
Erm I wasn't missing the point, my comparison wasn't a criticism of either car, was exactly how I expected them to be, and the F1 was meant to be accessible, it's not really a road-legal track car in the sense of an Ultima, Caparo, X-Bow or Ariel.

I do agree earlier posts miss the point of the Veyron though :)
 
I didn't see any understeer at all, it cornered as good as any street car. It's speed is very deceptive, it's so solid and sure footed I never actually though I was ever going quickly until I finish a lap and bam! 4 seconds quicker than my ZZII, Zonda C12S, XJ220, 599, RUFs, Lambos and I'm not even close to nailing a perfect lap.

When May did the top speed test for Top Gear he mentioned that it warps all sense of speed, he went to open to door to get out as he slowed to a stop, but looked at the speedo and noticed he was still doing 70! I expect these reported understeer issues are caused by people trying to take hairpins at 100 mph.
 
Tyger
Erm I wasn't missing the point, my comparison wasn't a criticism of either car, was exactly how I expected them to be, and the F1 was meant to be accessible, it's not really a road-legal track car in the sense of an Ultima, Caparo, X-Bow or Ariel.

I do agree earlier posts miss the point of the Veyron though :)
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I did not post that directly to you, some of the posts earlier in the thread are just :dunce: Makes me wonder how some of the guys here are car heads as much as they claim they are. I am no Veyron fanboy but I have the uttermost respect for what Bugatti accomplished and I understand the car is not a track car by nature. And I sure wouldnt expect any road car to compete against LMP cars on a track.
 

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