Veyron: Disappointment?

  • Thread starter Thread starter zachthemaniac
  • 201 comments
  • 15,678 views
Ok, if the Veyron is that disappointing, why don't turn it into a non-disappointing?

Instead of complain everyday that it doesn't make turns or whatever. Why don't actually train, test & learn some tuning skills (skills = not power upgrades) and make it driveable?

Work with tires, suspension, toe, camber, etc. That's the perfect opportunity to actually make a better car.

Or, deal with it and try to drive better with what is judged a "brick on wheels"
 
dj-smurph
Name me a Supercar that comes with bespoke luggage made by Louis Vitton. A custom made entertainment system by Kenwood. and come with space for more than 1 passenger? Other than the Mclaren F1 there isn't. Both are the ultimate car not ultimate sports or touring car just the best car.
Click to expand...

Okay, well, replace luxury (as having a car worth that much is luxury in and off itself) with comfort and you'll have the difference between the F1 and the Veyron.
The F1 is like a Ferrari 458 on steroids, the Veyron like a Bentley Continental...
 
zachthemaniac
Just beat GT World Championship and was pretty excited when I found my new Veyron in the delivery truck. I thought I could beat Like The Wind, only to find it severely lacked in the acceleration department, despite having over 950 horsepower. In addition, the thing suffers from a bad case of understeer, so I had to slow down way more than everyone else on the Indy course. What are your thoughts on this car? :mad:
Click to expand...

You are disappointed because the Veyron, a 1,9 ton AWD road car can't keep up with LMP cars? wow... what did you expect?

You're probably judging a cars performance by mere horsepower..

Also, this:

MadBullBunny
Yay another Gayron thread! Anyways, its a horrible car. Weighs like tugboat. Turns like a tugboat. Looks like a tugboat. It is a tugboat. ;)
Click to expand...

completely agree. I can't stand how people overhype the Veyron just because it has 1001 hp and can go over 400 kmh as if it was the only things that matter.
 
orCa
You are disappointed because the Veyron, a 1,9 ton AWD road car can't keep up with LMP cars? wow... what did you expect?

You're probably judging a cars performance by mere horsepower..
Click to expand...

...and forgetting weight, for example.
 
Why is there a myth among GT fans that the Veyron is a "brick on wheels" and it's right the car is a piece of crap in GT5

Im pretty sure the Veyron went round the Top Gear track in the fastest time at the time, now there are quite a number of corners on the track right??? The Veyron is a great car be it on straights or going round corners.....Can we please stop this "Brick on wheels" nonsense.
 
I've been running stock supercars around various tracks recently, including stock Sports Hard tyres. The Veyron is easily faster than the Enzo or the Lambo Murcielago SV. The point is that it gets so much faster on the straights, but still weighs 2 tons so you have to brake for corners earlier than you'd expect. But it takes corners just as fast as the other supercars.

Comparing road cars with racecars is obviously complete rubbish, though. Compare like with like and you'll realise that the GT5 simulated Veyron is extremely quick not only in a straight line but also round corners.
 
UkHardcore23
Why is there a myth among GT fans that the Veyron is a "brick on wheels" and it's right the car is a piece of crap in GT5

Im pretty sure the Veyron went round the Top Gear track in the fastest time at the time, now there are quite a number of corners on the track right??? The Veyron is a great car be it on straights or going round corners.....Can we please stop this "Brick on wheels" nonsense.
Click to expand...

It was also beaten by cars like the Noble M600, with a bit more than half its power. If that isn't enough of a proof that the stock Veyron isn't exactly a well handling machine, I don't know how much more proof you'll need.

Now, in GT5, the Veyron will have to face cars that handle like said Noble M600 but willl have a HP figure a lot closer to the Veyron which isn't going to make the Veyron look any better.
 
Luminis
It was also beaten by cars like the Noble M600, with a bit more than half its power. If that isn't enough of a proof that the stock Veyron isn't exactly a well handling machine, I don't know how much more proof you'll need.

Now, in GT5, the Veyron will have to face cars that handle like said Noble M600 but willl have a HP figure a lot closer to the Veyron which isn't going to make the Veyron look any better.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M600
Power to weight: 520 BHP/tonne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
440 bhp per ton.

Gosh, how could the M600 possibly beat the Veyron on a twisty track like the Top Gear track... 💡
 
The Veyron is a rocket car without a steering a wheel. In racing, the Veryron is only useful in straights. I only use to drag, and nothing other than. If I were to use one otherwise, like in an online race, I would have to slow down twice as much as everybody. "There's the tail end of the field, oh wait, where did 15th place go?"
 
onearmbandit
Some would disagree with you, and a lot of other people on here too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test_track_Power_Lap_Times

#1 for the Veyron SS and #8 for the standard model. And the TG test track isn't really a 'fast' track.
Click to expand...

The top gear test track is meant to utilize the strengths and weeknesses of a car. It was never meant to be a fast track. If you put all the cars on the board against the veyron on a "fast" track, of course it's gonna win because that is the only strength of the veyron.
 
How come everyone talks about the Veyron, but no one talks about the Shelby SSC Aero, which is in FACT faster than the Veyron...and heaps less expensive.

2004-SSC-Aero4-002.jpg
 
Nooomoto
How come everyone talks about the Veyron, but no one talks about the Shelby SSC Aero, which is in FACT faster than the Veyron...and heaps less expensive.

2004-SSC-Aero4-002.jpg
Click to expand...

Because Jeremy Clarkson didn't make a video about it where he said "POWER" a lot:lol:
 
skazz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M600
Power to weight: 520 BHP/tonne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
440 bhp per ton.

Gosh, how could the M600 possibly beat the Veyron on a twisty track like the Top Gear track... 💡
Click to expand...

Yeah, how could it beat it, given that the Veyron, despite the lower HP to weight ratio still has better acceleration at low speeds, medium speeeds and high speeds as well as the higher top speed and does a standing quarter mile faster?

There are two ways to beat a car that accelerates faster at all times and has a higher top speed. And those are: a) braking later and b) higher cornering speeds. Which essentially means: Better handling.

But, yeah, go on and focus on a single stat of the car instead of looking at the car as a whole. :sly:

Nooomoto
How come everyone talks about the Veyron, but no one talks about the Shelby SSC Aero, which is in FACT faster than the Veyron...and heaps less expensive.
Click to expand...
Because the Veyron is that expensive. Because it combines those insane speeds with luxury and comfort.
 
Please, can we stay on topic? The moment this thread degrades into a rage fest pro and contra Veyron including SSC, Koenigsegg and Hennessey, it's going to be closed.
 
The Veyron, with proper tuning can be made into a good car. Sending more power to the rear improves understeer by an awful lot but you do get more wheelspin.

I think that there will be one more Veyron to come out as soon as someone else goes faster. The SuperSport was made lighter, more powerful and more aerodynamic. But it still has air con and most of the luxuries present in a normal veyron. How fast will it go when all that is taken out?
 
NFSCARBON1
I think that there will be one more Veyron to come out as soon as someone else goes faster. The SuperSport was made lighter, more powerful and more aerodynamic. But it still has air con and most of the luxuries present in a normal veyron. How fast will it go when all that is taken out?
Click to expand...

Not much faster in terms of top speed. At that kind of speed, the main reason that's stoping the car from accelerating further isn't its weight but the air resistance. Making the body even more aerodinamical or the engine even more powerful would yield far better results in increasing its top speed even further.
 
i think a few people miss the fact that the veyron is a luxury car not a race car, in my opinion thats an incorrect philosophy but others may disagree. im the kinda guy who loved the ferrari f40, a car that while not luxurious inside was brutal. As long as the veyron preforms i have no problem with it but i think we should lower our expectations a bit
 
Luminis
It was also beaten by cars like the Noble M600, with a bit more than half its power. If that isn't enough of a proof that the stock Veyron isn't exactly a well handling machine, I don't know how much more proof you'll need.
Click to expand...


If it was not a well handling car how did it manage to destroy cars like the....

Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1
Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Noble M600 1.17.7
Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.7
Caterham R500 1.17.9
Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Lamborghini LP670 SV 1.19.0
Ferrari 458 1.19.1
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5
Ferrari Scuderia 1.19.7
Nissan GT-R 1.19.7
Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Corvette ZR1 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ferrari 599GTB 1.21.2
Audi R8 V10 1.21.6
Ford GT 1.21.9
Porsche 911 Turbo Convertable 1.22.2
Audi R8 V10 Spyder 1.22.3
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Lexus LFA 1.22.8 (wet)
Mercedes SL Black 1.23.0
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9
Aston Martin DBS 1.23.93
Veritas RS III 1.24.2
Prodrive P2 1.24.3
Audi R8 1.24.4
TVR Sagaris 1.24.6
Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 1.24.8
TVR Tuscan 1.24.8
Bentley Continental Supersports 1.24.9
Porsche Boxster Spyder 1.24.9
Merc E63 AMG 1.24.9
Noble M400 1.25.0
Lotus Exige S 1.25.1
BMW M3 Saloon 1.25.3
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7
Lotus Evora 1.25.7
Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8


Mr Needell seems to think it handles ok...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOi0iFJVKw
 
Last edited:
the Interceptor
I said that:
Source: http://www.motortrend.com/future/sp...i_veyron_concept/gordon_murray_interview.html


The actual "problem" with the Veyron is this: you don't feel the speed. People say it's a slouch in corners - it isn't. If you go round a corner in GT5 and look at your speedo, you'll notice you're actually going pretty fast. This fact is cloaked however by the staight line acceleration which also includes that you arrive at corners with a much higher speed than with other cars. This gives you the feeling that you're basically just nursing it around the corner, rolling slowly. But you aren't. Take another high performance street car, go around the same corner and compare the cornering speed. You might be in for a surprise.

2nd problem: too many people hate the Veyron. That means that they will talk it down no matter what and are not willing to accept or even try for themselves in GT5 what it is capable of. Prejudice unfortunately is a typical attribute of a human being - sad, but true.
Click to expand...

No you didn't... My quote was clearly different from yours. My quote even seems he was talking about the SS version because he didn't like VW remaking the car even better just to go 10mph faster... Seems like he really dislikes VW in some departments.

UkHardcore23
If it was not a well handling car how did it manage to destroy cars like the....


Mr Needell seems to think it handles ok...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOi0iFJVKw
Click to expand...

You give other cars with that much power I'm sure they would blow the Veyron in the dust. On the topgear test track, power does have a factor in it. Is why the geyron did so well. Said that before.
 
Last edited:
MadBullBunny
No you didn't... My quote was clearly different from yours.
Click to expand...
Sorry, I think I misunderstood you then.

You said this:
MadBullBunny
Someone said early in the forums that he liked the car. Which it doesn't seem like he liked it so much at all.
Click to expand...
I thought you were referring to what I posted earlier:
the Interceptor
Even Gordon Murray was surprised how good it drives.
Click to expand...
So I said that it was me who claimed that and posted the interview in which Gordon Murray said:
"But they've done some amazing things with it. On the track, the chuckability, steering, and braking shine."
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what went wrong here, but it seems like we somehow we got our wires crossed.
 
Pretty sure the SSC Aero only pipped the original Veyron by 1mph, which then prompted Bugatti to do something incredible and made a car that hit 267mph, which completely obliterated the new record.

I know drag cars hit this kinda speed with ease, and cars made for the salt flats, but for a standard luxury road car that is comfortable and calm, elegent and beautiful... to also boast that immense performance, it is just amazing.... The price tag that comes with it is equally amazing in proportion though.

But with that said, its cheaper than a Mclaren F1 these days, by a fair margin.
 
the Interceptor
Sorry, I think I misunderstood you then.

You said this:I thought you were referring to what I posted earlier:So I said that it was me who claimed that and posted the interview in which Gordon Murray said:

I'm not sure what went wrong here, but it seems like we somehow we got our wires crossed.
Click to expand...

Oh well thats my bad as well. I mean't you, I thought you said you already said what I quoted of him. I looked to find out what he said about the veyron and only seen him really talking about him not liking it so much. It seems he liked it at first. Though when the SS came out, like it says in the quote, just getting a bit childish.
 
UkHardcore23
If it was not a well handling car how did it manage to destroy cars like the....

Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1
Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Noble M600 1.17.7
Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.7
Caterham R500 1.17.9
Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Lamborghini LP670 SV 1.19.0
Ferrari 458 1.19.1
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5
Ferrari Scuderia 1.19.7
Nissan GT-R 1.19.7
Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Corvette ZR1 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ferrari 599GTB 1.21.2
Audi R8 V10 1.21.6
Ford GT 1.21.9
Porsche 911 Turbo Convertable 1.22.2
Audi R8 V10 Spyder 1.22.3
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Lexus LFA 1.22.8 (wet)
Mercedes SL Black 1.23.0
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9
Aston Martin DBS 1.23.93
Veritas RS III 1.24.2
Prodrive P2 1.24.3
Audi R8 1.24.4
TVR Sagaris 1.24.6
Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 1.24.8
TVR Tuscan 1.24.8
Bentley Continental Supersports 1.24.9
Porsche Boxster Spyder 1.24.9
Merc E63 AMG 1.24.9
Noble M400 1.25.0
Lotus Exige S 1.25.1
BMW M3 Saloon 1.25.3
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7
Lotus Evora 1.25.7
Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8


Mr Needell seems to think it handles ok...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOi0iFJVKw
Click to expand...

You do realise I was talking about the Veyron 16.4, not te SuperSport, right? As that's the one present in the game.
 
2007_SSC_UltimateAeroTT4.jpg

bugatti-veyron-pur-sang-interior1.jpg

Luxury has different meanings to people. To me, I rather go for the SSC for luxury. Why? Because the SSC is way less in value and still has awesome interior where as the Veyron just wouldn't keep me entertained for the amount of money that was spent on it.
 
FULL_THROTTLE
They should have just added the Veyron Super Sports, it's faster than anything and it's in NFS hot pursuit...
Click to expand...

I don't think the SS released at all when they made the Veyron for the PSP GT am I right? Though I think it looks silly the Black and Orange on the veyron. They should have picked better colors for that.
 
Anybody else find it funny how people come out saying they weren't at all disappointed with the veyron in gt5 and the reason is they didn't expect much because they already KNEW it was a POS before they even tried it?

Now ask yourself how many of these numerous people have actually driven and thoroughly know how a Veyron behaves and should handle, or how many have just magically set a standard in their head from other games because the car looks "fat" and heavy etc or whatever they feel like.

I have not driven a veyron either, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out this car is seriously quick in real life in every sense of the word performance. Where did all this talk of the veyron handling terribly even come from?
It has to be something about the way the car is perceived due to its size and weight, people force themselves into thinking its no good at at anything apart from straight line speed.

It looks like this misconception has even hit PD, as even in GT5 the car can't out corner susuki cappucino.

If you watch a good chunk of videos and read up on this car, unless you are biased It will be pretty damn clear this car is no one trick pony, certainly not like how its perceived by people and portrayed in sims like forza and even gt5.

Personally what proved to me the veyron has been borked up in gt5, is that after all the tuning its under 1400kg which is really light, its lighter than a damn Lancer Evo X, AND on top of that it has 1200 hp like the super sport but now 600kg lighter, AND you fit it with racing soft tires, and it STILL handles like crap.

The only thing I will reserve judgement on is whether the car was intentionally made to handle this bad or if its a oversight cos there is no way a 1400kg Veyron Will handle as bad as GT5 makes it out to be. Heck even a regualr one probably handles better in real life than what 600kg lighter one does in gt5.
 

Latest Posts

Back