Veyron?? SSC Aero?? Pah! Meet the NEW king of speed!!

[mafia_boy]

You may have heard about this on Fast Lane Daily, now meet the car that has recorded a 260mph speed at the El Mirage Dry Lake in California. The TKR Keating!! Forget the Veyron's 1000hp, or the SSC's 1200hp...this puppy has 1750hp from a twin turbo LS7 motor!! Here is a video of the interview with the cars creator, the driver, and other news and out takes from the build-up to the run.

*slight language warning - advised by 80Y 2C2*


I will add the actual run when it becomes available on YouTube but this video gives all the details about the car and how it came to be. 👍

 

[McLaren]

I haven't watched the video yet, but has the car actually done a run yet, or is this the 3rd time these guys have claimed the record?

 

[mafia_boy]

The car HAS done the 260mph run, they just haven't done the return run that would verify it in the Guinness Book of Records. Also, they said in this video that they are running only 10psi. during the 260mph run, and claiming it still has another 25psi. to pump into it!!

 

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

No fastlanedaily until the 18th. ;(

 

[TsukubaTrueno]

Eh, can't compare to the Veyron's elegance, beauty, and most likely handling. I admire Bugatti so much because the Veyron is capable of reaching speeds so high, but it doesn't sacrifice interior stuff like other cars. It maintains it's beauty and comfort.

 

[Radracing]

Not really a street car. More like a full on race car so it's not a good comparison to the Veyron. I wouldn't call it a production car either, it's more like a kit car.

 

[Boffin]

Er - wasn't this the Barabus TKR before? Same figures and design.

And all designed by that Anthony guy? Errrrr - I see more than a bit of Zonda at the back of it.

Doesn't have the quality of a Veyron about it - and I'd trade 6mph fr magnesium indicator stalks, some sort of warranty, leather, style, usability ect. (ohhhh look at me being a bit of a Pidington)

Oh - and red ghost flames doesn't really look all that classy on a supercar.

And Mafs, you should put a language warning on it. 👍

 

[McLaren]

That shouldn't qualify for the production record at all. It's a stripped out, garage-built race car with a parachute to stop it. I don't think that will pass street laws very well either unless the brakes are that skeptical.

I'm sorry, but Keating are just trying to do their best to grab a record without realizing nobody will probably ever buy these cars.

 

[-Fred-]

Doesn't have the quality of a Veyron about it - and I'd trade 6mph fr magnesium indicator stalks, some sort of warranty, leather, style, usability ect. (ohhhh look at me being a bit of a Pidington)

I'd trade all that and 10mph for a car built in Woking with actual racing pedigree, a shrieking normally aspirated V12, a timeless look and one more seat than the Veyron.

 

[mafia_boy]

80Y 2C2, realise that the 260mph run was done with ONLY 10psi. of boost, it's able to run 35psi. I wouldn't be surprised to see this car go somewhere near the 300mph mark!

 

[darkos]

In every Saturday You can take your Bugatti Veyron out of the Garage and wash it with a sponge, show it to your neighbors and then put to Garage.

With any other car that is faster then Veyron you just can't do it because it's UGLY

 

[McLaren]

In every Saturday You can take your Bugatti Veyron out of the Garage and wash it with a sponge, show it to your neighbors and then put to Garage.

With any other car that is faster then Veyron you just can't do it because it's UGLY

I think you mean every Saturday, you can take your Veyron down to the station, grab a coffee, come home & relax without any effort.

This thing looks like it will end up being the most uncomfortable car you'll ever drive for 5 minutes.

 

[Boffin]

80Y 2C2, realise that the 260mph run was done with ONLY 10psi. of boost, it's able to run 35psi. I wouldn't be surprised to see this car go somewhere near the 300mph mark!

35psi pffffffft - I give it 8 balls to the wall runs before it blows up - and I wouldn't want a 1750hp engine, at full song, blowing up on the other side of a firewall any less than 4 foot thick, which this isn't.

And where the hell is that usable? Going to track it? No. Going to run it on the road? No. Not even a rare spirited drive on a Sunday afternoon in the countyside? Quite frankly you'd have as much fun in an Evo, let alone a F430.

The SSC company said that they'd make the SSC do 275, but there isn't a piece of road long enough. Granted, the TKR whateveritis is 175% more powerful, but what's the point? To get there faster? With the exponentially high aerodynamic limits at high speed, while the TKR could get to 275, I doubt there's much road, or tires that will take it much further. I know the test for the TKR was done on saltflats, but if it can't do it on the road, again, whats the point? Cataclysmic acceleration? Pfffft - light up 1750hp on first, second, third of fourth and you'll be out of control - try keeping it to one lane, yeah right.

As Fred was alluding to - the McLaren F1 has heaps of power, and its about on the limit of whats useable in a 2WD car. The Veyron is an engineering masterpiece because it somehow makes 1000hp even more useable. The TKR? Bzzzzt. Wrong! Fine, its within road regulations (at least somewhere), but a racing clutch? I'd give the owner 3 hours in one stint to grow terribly, terribly tired of it. Granted, the McF1 also has a racing clutch, but at least you can use what its holding, whereas with the TKR, you can't.

 

[Clark]

Er - wasn't this the Barabus TKR before? Same figures and design.

It is the Barabus TKR, I think they went bust so some private investor (Mr Keating?) bought it up and the projects going nowhere fast (metaphorically).


As far as I'm concerned the King of Speed is still Thrust SSC. Until Richard Noble's other car ( a certain Bulldog SSC) comes to life.

 

[mafia_boy]

35psi pffffffft - I give it 8 balls to the wall runs before it blows up - and I wouldn't want a 1750hp engine, at full song, blowing up on the other side of a firewall any less than 4 foot thick, which this isn't.

The motor is built by Nelson Racing Engines......they've got a Chevy Nova that is street driven, like this example.


If you look at their page which is http://www.youtube.com/user/nelsonracingengines, you will see that this isn't a one off thing, they CONSTANTLY build TTV8's that produce well in excess of 1500hp!! They even have one that produces 2300hp! which would be absolute insanity in a car like the TKR!

And where the hell is that usable? Going to track it? No. Going to run it on the road? No. Not even a rare spirited drive on a Sunday afternoon in the countyside? Quite frankly you'd have as much fun in an Evo, let alone a F430.

I would track it, I would run it on a road, I'd give it a cruise around EVERYWHERE!! It would strike fear into the hearts of every street racer that would want to line me up.....just ask them are they ready to go to from 0-400km/h?? Watch them back off quick smart.

The SSC company said that they'd make the SSC do 275, but there isn't a piece of road long enough. Granted, the TKR whateveritis is 175% more powerful, but what's the point? To get there faster?

According to them....yes. They talk about how the Veyron takes 5 MILES to get to its top speed, but it took them only 3 miles to get to the same speed. With that performance, they wouldn't need as long a road as the SSC or the Veyron to get up to those speeds.

With the exponentially high aerodynamic limits at high speed, while the TKR could get to 275, I doubt there's much road, or tires that will take it much further.

Ask Michelin for that one, but I reckon if they could create it for the Veyron, I'm sure they could go even harder.

I know the test for the TKR was done on saltflats, but if it can't do it on the road, again, whats the point? Cataclysmic acceleration? Pfffft - light up 1750hp on first, second, third of fourth and you'll be out of control - try keeping it to one lane, yeah right.

They're doing it on the salt flats because of something called ROAD RULES, which would so easily be broken by a car of this magnitude.

As Fred was alluding to - the McLaren F1 has heaps of power, and its about on the limit of whats useable in a 2WD car. The Veyron is an engineering masterpiece because it somehow makes 1000hp even more useable.

The F1 IS an engineering masterpiece. It has next to zero weight and the most brilliant V12 of our generation. The Veyron is an overachiever that needs 10 radiators and no bonnet cover to make it work without overheating. That's not an engineering masterpiece to me, no matter how much Clarkson and the rest of the motoring world drool over it.

The TKR? Bzzzzt. Wrong! Fine, its within road regulations (at least somewhere), but a racing clutch? I'd give the owner 3 hours in one stint to grow terribly, terribly tired of it. Granted, the McF1 also has a racing clutch, but at least you can use what its holding, whereas with the TKR, you can't.

But how do you know it can't?? There are a few multi-plate clutches that will handle that much power these days, thanks to development from places like NHRA drag racing. And to be honest, if you owned a TKR, comfort would be pretty low on your request list, and crapping your pants performance would rank #1, if not be your only request!

 

[McLaren]

The motor is built by Nelson Racing Engines......they've got a Chevy Nova that is street driven, like this example.


If you look at their page which is http://www.youtube.com/user/nelsonracingengines, you will see that this isn't a one off thing, they CONSTANTLY build TTV8's that produce well in excess of 1500hp!! They even have one that produces 2300hp! which would be absolute insanity in a car like the TKR!

And I'll bet $20 99% of those engines don't see daily use, let alone a street.

I would track it, I would run it on a road, I'd give it a cruise around EVERYWHERE!! It would strike fear into the hearts of every street racer that would want to line me up.....just ask them are they ready to go to from 0-400km/h?? Watch them back off quick smart.

For what? 1 day until you realize it's the most uncomfortable car to drive?

According to them....yes. They talk about how the Veyron takes 5 MILES to get to its top speed, but it took them only 3 miles to get to the same speed. With that performance, they wouldn't need as long a road as the SSC or the Veyron to get up to those speeds.

It's not just a matter of length. You also need to factor in the tires & other things as well.

Ask Michelin for that one, but I reckon if they could create it for the Veyron, I'm sure they could go even harder.

You do realize the tires alone, are part of the reason the Veyron took so long to be produced.

They're doing it on the salt flats because of something called ROAD RULES, which would so easily be broken by a car of this magnitude.

Then close off a road like SSC did? It's not hard....

The F1 IS an engineering masterpiece. It has next to zero weight and the most brilliant V12 of our generation. The Veyron is an overachiever that needs 10 radiators and no bonnet cover to make it work without overheating. That's not an engineering masterpiece to me, no matter how much Clarkson and the rest of the motoring world drool over it.

You're completely missing the achievement of the Veyron if you think that's all there is to it. The fact that a 1,000Hp car can be used in absolute comfort & reliably with an automatic gearbox every day is the achievement. Nobody has come close except McLaren.

But how do you know it can't?? There are a few multi-plate clutches that will handle that much power these days, thanks to development from places like NHRA drag racing. And to be honest, if you owned a TKR, comfort would be pretty low on your request list, and crapping your pants performance would rank #1, if not be your only request!

If I want that, I'll just go out & buy a track-oriented car whether it be road or drag racing. At least that way, I can use it more than a couple times knowing it was built to handle such abuse.

 

[Eric.]

I would track it, I would run it on a road, I'd give it a cruise around EVERYWHERE!! It would strike fear into the hearts of every street racer that would want to line me up.....just ask them are they ready to go to from 0-400km/h?? Watch them back off quick smart.

And my Civic would probably smoke you in a drag race, given you don't spin it into a wall.

Don't they need to, you know, sell some of these for it to be a production car? Just like the Aero SSC, they aren't on the road. I've yet to see any non-press photos of an SSC actually.

 

[McLaren]

And my Civic would probably smoke you in a drag race, given you don't spin it into a wall.

Don't they need to, you know, sell some of these for it to be a production car? Just like the Aero SSC, they aren't on the road. I've yet to see any non-press photos of an SSC actually.

Regarding the SSC, they have sold a few, they are just...well...very, very rare. It doesn't help that the only dealer they're sold out of is in a financial downturn right now. There is one seen in Monaco, as well as Dubai, so they have managed to get out of the states.

 

[Boffin]

The motor is built by Nelson Racing Engines......they've got a Chevy Nova that is street driven, like this example.


If you look at their page which is http://www.youtube.com/user/nelsonracingengines, you will see that this isn't a one off thing, they CONSTANTLY build TTV8's that produce well in excess of 1500hp!! They even have one that produces 2300hp! which would be absolute insanity in a car like the TKR!

Yes, but they aren't selling those to the public - its one man's beast.

I would track it, I would run it on a road, I'd give it a cruise around EVERYWHERE!! It would strike fear into the hearts of every street racer that would want to line me up.....just ask them are they ready to go to from 0-400km/h?? Watch them back off quick smart.

No you wouldn't. You'd do it once, but seriously, you'd get tired of seeing 400hp Evos brush by you with ease. Going to put down 1750hp on the exit of a corner and power out of it? Sorry - the laws of physics don't agree with you. And try balancing the throttle. One second putting down 200, the next 700hp in the middle of a corner will not be at all stable. I know the throttle isn't linear, but it could easily come to that. It was made to break speed records and only speed records. If they wanted to, they could make a TT monster, but this isn't it.

According to them....yes. They talk about how the Veyron takes 5 MILES to get to its top speed, but it took them only 3 miles to get to the same speed. With that performance, they wouldn't need as long a road as the SSC or the Veyron to get up to those speeds.

As I say, exponential aerodynamic resistance. Not doing the maths, it COULD get there, but not at the rate at which you'd expect it to IMO.

Ask Michelin for that one, but I reckon if they could create it for the Veyron, I'm sure they could go even harder.

For 5 men and a toy? Don't bank on it.

They're doing it on the salt flats because of something called ROAD RULES, which would so easily be broken by a car of this magnitude.

The SSC did it's run on a road - a 2 laner at that, showing stability on road conditions, and carrying infinatly more relevance than putting a road car on salt flats to prove its prowess.

The F1 IS an engineering masterpiece. It has next to zero weight and the most brilliant V12 of our generation. The Veyron is an overachiever that needs 10 radiators and no bonnet cover to make it work without overheating. That's not an engineering masterpiece to me, no matter how much Clarkson and the rest of the motoring world drool over it.

The Veyron isn't a driver's car, by any means. Just because something doesn't have a bonnet doesn't mean anything. Have you seen the Veyron's engine? Its a beutifully crafted thing - and I know that doesn't mean much to you, but making 1000hp that easy to drive is the real wonder of it. I mean thats a serious amaount of torque, and anybody can drive it without burning up internals. Its as easy to drive as any other european sportscar, albeit less easier to park.

But how do you know it can't?? There are a few multi-plate clutches that will handle that much power these days, thanks to development from places like NHRA drag racing. And to be honest, if you owned a TKR, comfort would be pretty low on your request list, and crapping your pants performance would rank #1, if not be your only request!

No - the clutch will hold it fine(ish - for a short period of time). What I'm saying is that with the McLaren F1, 6**hp through a racing clutch is worth putting up with, because it can use all the power. Putting up with a racing clutch because of 1750 is less logical, because in the real world, it I doubt it could go faster than with, say, 500hp - because of chassis shortfalls - so why go throu all the extra struggle for more when you're harly going to use it? We're talking about a small shed toy up against a car built exactly to an F1 engineer's specifications. Give them the same power to weight ratio and I'd still know which one I'd back.

 

[boiltheocean]

i'd trade all that and 10mph for a car built in woking with actual racing pedigree, a shrieking normally aspirated v12, a timeless look and one more seat than the veyron.

werd.

 

[Famine]

As far as I'm concerned the King of Speed is still Thrust SSC. Until Richard Noble's other car ( a certain Bulldog SSC) comes to life.

You mean "Bloodhound SSC"?

80Y 2C2, realise that the 260mph run was done with ONLY 10psi. of boost, it's able to run 35psi. I wouldn't be surprised to see this car go somewhere near the 300mph mark!

For reference, if 260mph requires 1,750hp then 300mph would require 2,700hp.

 

[Boffin]

For reference, if 260mph requires 1,750hp then 300mph would require 2,700hp.

They said 260mph was achieved by 900hp. It was running 10psi instead of 35.

 

[Famine]

Plugging the numbers, that means roughly a Cd of about 0.28 for a kerb weight of about 2800lb (a guess), and about 1,400hp required for 300mph.

 

[Boffin]

Can you figure out a time and it'll take the same car with 1750hp to crack 300mph? You probably have to factor in gear ratios though.

 

[Famine]

Actually, you don't. It really is just a function of peak power and weight (edit: Weight, of course, includes aerodynamics. Downforce at speed really is just extra weight). However, that all goes out the window when it comes to salt flats. The surface is completely different - and way more variable - so you have a different grip coefficient which is also nowhere near constant and I wouldn't even know where to start.

 

[Strittan]

This looks like nothing else than an amateur built race car to me. Sorry, but that's my opinion.

 

[Bram Turismo]

They said 260mph was achieved by 900hp. It was running 10psi instead of 35.

Am I wrong to be sceptical about that claim? Around these kind of speeds it takes serious amounts of brute power to climb just a few mph. Forget about weight, you're nothing without power at these speeds. 900 hp to reach 260 mph sounds kinda optimistic to me.

 

[Cobalt600]

Sounds great but I doubt it is the same engineering marvel that is the veyron. For example if im doing 240 - 50 mph down the autobahn will my coffee stay in the cup. Not only can the Beyron do these crazy speed but you can sit back and relax, I could imagine this shaking you to death.

 

[Boffin]

Meh - they're not my firgures - go hound someone else about them.

@Famine - Road's good - I want to just see how much time it will take to get there on the roads. 👍

 

[mafia_boy]

And I'll bet $20 99% of those engines don't see daily use, let alone a street.

Actually, a lot of them DO see quite regular use. Check the site out and see for yourself. 👍

For what? 1 day until you realize it's the most uncomfortable car to drive?

I can live without comfort, too many of you are just soft.

It's not just a matter of length. You also need to factor in the tires & other things as well.

I know that, but they have run the numbers with their current rubber without having do a massive blowout on them.

You do realize the tires alone, are part of the reason the Veyron took so long to be produced.

Yes I do, very much so. That's why I threw the comment of TKR going to them.

Then close off a road like SSC did? It's not hard....

Maybe for you guys over there, try getting a road closed in Australia, it's a case of mission impossible.

You're completely missing the achievement of the Veyron if you think that's all there is to it. The fact that a 1,000Hp car can be used in absolute comfort & reliably with an automatic gearbox every day is the achievement.

No, I know the whole story behind the Veyron as most of us do, but it doesn't change the fact that it needs to be sans an engine cover, and need 10 radiators. The real achievement about the Veyron is that they passed the emissions tests, even with it's 1001hp.

If I want that, I'll just go out & buy a track-oriented car whether it be road or drag racing. At least that way, I can use it more than a couple times knowing it was built to handle such abuse.

Again it's back to the "unreliable" thing. NRE build VERY reliable motors. Try four seasons without a rebuild with their monster LSX 454 TT motor. Check the specs and it is a bit pricey, US$52k for the engine alone...
PDF of brochure!!

And my Civic would probably smoke you in a drag race, given you don't spin it into a wall.

Maybe if your Civic had a K24A with a huge GT42 turbo hanging off it and maybe a 150 shot of nitrous...but you'd wheelspin more than I would after all that fitted.

Yes, but they aren't selling those to the public - its one man's beast.

The motors are being quite readily sold to the public, check the PDF I've put up. 👍

No you wouldn't. You'd do it once, but seriously, you'd get tired of seeing 400hp Evos brush by you with ease. Going to put down 1750hp on the exit of a corner and power out of it? Sorry - the laws of physics don't agree with you. And try balancing the throttle. One second putting down 200, the next 700hp in the middle of a corner will not be at all stable. I know the throttle isn't linear, but it could easily come to that. It was made to break speed records and only speed records. If they wanted to, they could make a TT monster, but this isn't it.

The day I see a 400hp Evo beat a 1750hp supercar in a straight line dash to 400km/h is the day that I eat my PC, piece by piece!

As I say, exponential aerodynamic resistance. Not doing the maths, it COULD get there, but not at the rate at which you'd expect it to IMO.

That was in their testing!! Watch the video again bro.

For 5 men and a toy? Don't bank on it.

For a couple of RICH men and their toy, I wouldn't put it past them. Businesses only understand one concept....MONEY, and if enough is put under their noses and asked to develop said tyre, I'm pretty sure they would do so.

The SSC did it's run on a road - a 2 laner at that, showing stability on road conditions, and carrying infinatly more relevance than putting a road car on salt flats to prove its prowess.

Actually it's slipperier on salt than asphalt.

The Veyron isn't a driver's car, by any means. Just because something doesn't have a bonnet doesn't mean anything.

It means a bit when you have cars like the McLaren F1 being spoken in similar breaths by other people.

Have you seen the Veyron's engine? Its a beutifully crafted thing

It is nice, but I prefer other engines, such as the Speed 12's donk, or the Mac F1's donk.

- and I know that doesn't mean much to you, but making 1000hp that easy to drive is the real wonder of it.

It's not that it's easy to drive, 1000hp isn't easy to drive on any car, period.

I mean thats a serious amaount of torque, and anybody can drive it without burning up internals. Its as easy to drive as any other european sportscar, albeit less easier to park.

When did hp become torque?? You can have 1000hp rotors, but they will still have next to no torque. That point is invalid. However, the effort they put in to make it easier to drive than your other 1000hp cars (which are more than likely aftermarket modified cars) is something you can admire.

No - the clutch will hold it fine(ish - for a short period of time). What I'm saying is that with the McLaren F1, 6**hp through a racing clutch is worth putting up with, because it can use all the power. Putting up with a racing clutch because of 1750 is less logical, because in the real world, it I doubt it could go faster than with, say, 500hp - because of chassis shortfalls - so why go throu all the extra struggle for more when you're harly going to use it? We're talking about a small shed toy up against a car built exactly to an F1 engineer's specifications. Give them the same power to weight ratio and I'd still know which one I'd back.

Simple fact is they don't have the same PTW ratio. And to call it a small shed toy is quite an insult, because Keating is an engineer, just like Mr.Dennis and the McLaren boys are, so he wouldn't be just slapping steel or carbon fibre together and going "Yep, she's a real fast car alright!", it's nothing like that.

For reference, if 260mph requires 1,750hp then 300mph would require 2,700hp.

As 80Y 2C2 said, they only used 900hp for the run to 260mph. And the car weighs only 995kg (2230lb.) so if you can Famine, could you recalculate the figures (1750hp/2230lb.) and tell us what it's 'theoretical' top speed could be, please.