Veyron?? SSC Aero?? Pah! Meet the NEW king of speed!!

[homeforsummer]

Try it after 2hrs sleep then come back to me because I was helping my sister-in-law's parents get organised to travel back to Sydney which is a 1500km drive. I DOUBT your brain power would be 100% after that.

Probably not, but then if I know I'm not 100% then I'm not usually daft enough to get into big debates...

I will ask this.....WHAT EVO WITH ONLY 400BHP DOES 400km/h?!?!

See where your defence falls flat with the "Oh the Evo will walk away" story.......yeah it might destroy the TKR at launch, but to get it to 400km/h, another story!

And I will ask this... WHO CARES?

NOBODY has the chance to do 400km/h on the roads. Nobody. So it is completely irrelevant. In any road-based situation a moderately powerful Evo that can maintain grip will simply walk away from any ludicrous, RWD hypercar with more power than grip.

That's why I mentioned the SPEED, but that seems to pass over your head more times than the sun in one year, which is worse than my little hit about your one typo!!

Who has the lack of brain power now??

And you can stop right there with the pettiness. You aren't Oscar Wilde, your insults are neither intelligent nor warranted, so keep the sarcasm to yourself.

 

[niky]

If someone hoons in a TKR and they light the rears up, there's way more potential for things to get out of hand. The back could flick out etc.

Again... same thing could happen in any 400+ horsepower rear-wheel drive car.

 

[Boffin]

Again... same thing could happen in any 400+ horsepower rear-wheel drive car.

Er.....yeah. But most 400hp cars these days have stability control, because they're designed to be used everyday. And if you are talking about a riced up 200sx, I think 1350hp extra would make a difference to what happens if the driven wheels were to start sliding.

 

[McLaren]

Again, pointless car... since all it would take to top this is for someone to sell a road-legal version of a 300 mph salt-lake speedster... but some of the claims people are making about it without knowing a single thing about it are absolutely beyond belief. It won't handle... blah blah blah... it's unreliable... blah blah blah... the company is shady... blah blah blah... (hey, guess what... so is Hennessey... but that doesn't stop their Vipers from being incredibly fast)...

The only Hennessey Vipers that have been seen breaking records tend to be his own, & his sales numbers are very low due to his business practices. Shady is never a good thing.

 

[niky]

The only Hennessey Vipers that have been seen breaking records tend to be his own, & his sales numbers are very low due to his business practices. Shady is never a good thing.

I'm not defending his business practice, because I think it stinks. But the point is... just because the business end of things sucks... doesn't mean the technical side of it, does, also.

The car has already done 260 mph... thus... for those people for whom such a dubious statistic matters... it has beaten the Veyron.

Yes, it may have used a parachute... but that's primarily for safety. Stopping any car from over 200 mph is tricky business.

And the only thing they need to claim it as a "production road car record" is to actually build customer cars to the same spec and sell at least one.

Maybe it will handle, maybe it will not. There are not road tests and there is no data on how well it drives on the road.

Maybe it will be reliable. maybe it will not. Most likely won't be as problem free as a Veyron despite the supposedly bulletproof engine... but how much does each Veyron cost again? (how much does it cost to make?)

Again. Personal opinion: useless. Useless amount of power. Useless amount of speed. It'll probably be a horrid road car. Probably get a quarter mile to the gallon at full chat or even less.

But the fact remains: it does the speed. It's a patently useless thing to be able to hit a speed that you will never see on public roads... but it does the speed.

 

[mafia_boy]

Probably not, but then if I know I'm not 100% then I'm not usually daft enough to get into big debates...

When I'm the one who started the debate, then yes, it doesn't matter what brain power I need to continue it considering what I've already put out there. It's not rocket science.

And I will ask this... WHO CARES?

Well since you guys kept avoiding the question I kept asking it because you all know you can't answer it so you come back with this lame comment of who cares....well guess what, some of us DO care because we know that it can't be done. We've already gone over this, the Evo might win off the line but it will get swamped by the TKR by the time it hits 400km/h.

NOBODY has the chance to do 400km/h on the roads. Nobody.[/quote]
Tell that to the nutcases on turbo hayabusa's, like this guy who did 390km/h+, close enough to 400km/h as you can get.

So it is completely irrelevant. In any road-based situation a moderately powerful Evo that can maintain grip will simply walk away from any ludicrous, RWD hypercar with more power than grip.

Even 4WD's like the Evo wheelspin when their horsepower is increased so your argument is invalid. I've seen it so many times with Evo's, GT-R's and the like when they pump 600hp+ through the wheels. Just watch the wheelspin from the Evo's on takeoff in this run, done ON THE STREET!!

And you can stop right there with the pettiness. You aren't Oscar Wilde, your insults are neither intelligent nor warranted, so keep the sarcasm to yourself.

And you aren't Stephen Hawking either so either answer the questions with some intelligence or don't bother answering them at all.

 

[Boffin]

Even 4WD's like the Evo wheelspin when their horsepower is increased so your argument is invalid. I've seen it so many times with Evo's, GT-R's and the like when they pump 600hp+ through the wheels. Just watch the wheelspin from the Evo's on takeoff in this run, done ON THE STREET!!

Hmmmm - smoke absolutely billowing from all fours after the half second squeek from the tyres.

I think those videos prove my argument more than yours.

I get that wheel spin when I move my office chair.

 

[the Interceptor]

Tell that to the nutcases on turbo hayabusa's, like this guy who did 390km/h+, close enough to 400km/h as you can get.

A bike is a completely different story, don't you think?

 

[homeforsummer]

it doesn't matter what brain power I need to continue it considering what I've already put out there

What have you put out there? A load of irrelevance?

Well since you guys kept avoiding the question I kept asking it because you all know you can't answer it so you come back with this lame comment of who cares....well guess what, some of us DO care because we know that it can't be done. We've already gone over this, the Evo might win off the line but it will get swamped by the TKR by the time it hits 400km/h.

And I say again, that's irrelevant because you just can't use that sort of performance on the streets.

Tell that to the nutcases on turbo hayabusa's, like this guy who did 390km/h+, close enough to 400km/h as you can get.

It is much, much easier to get a motorcycle to get to those sort of speeds and with a greater deal of safety because it takes such a short time to get up to those speeds.

All that considered, it's very, very stupid doing those sort of speeds on the public road anyway. Which is (again) where the comments about the Veyron at least being a daily useable car come into it. It's something you can drive without any problems even when you aren't trying to break records.

Even 4WD's like the Evo wheelspin when their horsepower is increased so your argument is invalid. I've seen it so many times with Evo's, GT-R's and the like when they pump 600hp+ through the wheels. Just watch the wheelspin from the Evo's on takeoff in this run, done ON THE STREET!!

Big deal. My MX5 wheelspins with only 120bhp. My Fiesta did with 60bhp. You can't seriously be suggesting that the Evo with 400bhp will somehow be less useable than a 900bhp+ rear-driver?

And you aren't Stephen Hawking either so either answer the questions with some intelligence or don't bother answering them at all.

I'll ask you to take that back right now. You can come back to me with insults about my intelligence when you even know anything about me.

Until that point, until you can conduct yourself without resorting to petty insults, or until I get some sort of apology for implying that my comments are stupid, you're going on my ignore list because there are a hundred people on this forum who I can debate with without being insulted.

 

[Blitz187]

Interesting thread... nice read... just wanted to clear one thing up... I kept seeing the word Autobahn mentioned here in this thread and that you could go flat out with this car there, no problem.... I think you could go flat out for a minute, maybe 30 seconds or so and then brake because you catch up to the next car... I think some people on GTP have a distorted image of the Autobahn and just think its clean cut highways, with no cars, where you can go as fast as you want...

Hate to burst your bubble guys, but thats not the way it is... There are many, many, many parts of the Autobahn which DO have a speed limit... especially in the vicinity of cities and towns... Only on the outskirts there is no speed limit and even then it wouldnt be possible to go flat out or even reach 400 KPH there... its dangerous and there are other cars on the road... Next to this there are probably a 100 other reason and factors that come into play but I just wanted to clear up the fact that the Autobahn is not a series of highways where you can drive as fast as you please with no other cars...

Nice car though... and cool that it reached 260 MPH... If its really practical... thats another story... 👍

PS- I think any German GTP member could vouch for this as well Living in Holland I have been on it numerous times and its fun, but not a rosy as some of you make it out to be...

 

[the Interceptor]

Well, there are a few stretches of Autobahn that are unrestricted as well as pretty deserted. However, the Autobahn was specifically designed to not be an endless piece of straight road to keep the attention of the drivers up. That means that I doubt there is a piece of Autobahn where you can go up to 400 km/h. There might be a handful if you are really brave and the car is well balanced, but I doubt it.

 

[Mark T]

I applaude Keating for attempting to beat the speed record but I seriously doubt it will compete with the Veyron. First of all it's around 900kg lighter than a Veyron yet it only achieves an additional 7mph in a straight line. 0-60mph is supposed to be under three seconds. You have to wonder what they have sacrificed in order to shed 900kg.

I would like to see a cut down version of the Veyron, just the basics just to see how much performance can be squeezed out of the Veyron. In my opinion the Veyron has it all and I want to see what the Keating has.

Looking forward to some more information and lap times for comparisons on handling.

 

[-ultraflow-]

Nice thread that remember me the Top Secret V12 Supra Nardo challenge Over 400km/h Challenge



... but unfortunately the twin turbo V12 Top Secret Supra, driven by Smokey, achieved "only" a top speed of 222 mph (358 km/h).

 

[Blitz187]

^^^ That was a good looking Supra... Loved the front of that car...

 

[mafia_boy]

What have you put out there? A load of irrelevance?

Whatever. I put the video up showing you guys what's gone on so far, and all you've done is crap all over it and put this argument about "the Veyron is so much better, blah blah blah".....seriously, get over it.....the Veyron is slower and that's all I put the thread up as....showing the TKR is the NEW king of speed. Not "The best handling" or "The most comfortable" or "the most reliable car in the world!" that you and others seem to revert to for your arguments.

And I say again, that's irrelevant because you just can't use that sort of performance on the streets.

It's not irrelevant because there are nutcases that WILL use that power on the street. It's part of testing the limits of the car.

It is much, much easier to get a motorcycle to get to those sort of speeds and with a greater deal of safety because it takes such a short time to get up to those speeds.

Yeah, one wheel in the air up to 130mph with no structural protection....you call that safe?

All that considered, it's very, very stupid doing those sort of speeds on the public road anyway. Which is (again) where the comments about the Veyron at least being a daily useable car come into it. It's something you can drive without any problems even when you aren't trying to break records.

And once again I will say, who has proved that the TKR WOULDN'T be able to do the same thing? You keep claiming it won't, but no one knows....period.

Big deal. My MX5 wheelspins with only 120bhp. My Fiesta did with 60bhp. You can't seriously be suggesting that the Evo with 400bhp will somehow be less useable than a 900bhp+ rear-driver?

Depends on what your use of the car is. But you can stick to your Evo.

I'll ask you to take that back right now. You can come back to me with insults about my intelligence when you even know anything about me.

Until that point, until you can conduct yourself without resorting to petty insults, or until I get some sort of apology for implying that my comments are stupid, you're going on my ignore list because there are a hundred people on this forum who I can debate with without being insulted.

EXCUSE ME?! You're the 🤬 that started that 🤬 trying to insult me with your little Oscar Wilde comment when you don't know me either so you WILL NOT, I repeat....WILL NOT get an apology off me for retaliating in a similar fashion. Carefactor about whether it hurts your little feelings or not = ZERO!

/thread.

Sorry to the others who are providing some decent arguments, but this is now LOCKED until the next video comes up!!

 

[Famine]

Since a paddy has been thrown and a lock applied, I'll take a moment to make a couple of points.

First is that the TKR isn't the new king of speed. The key word in that sentence is "the". Until it enters production it's not a production car and can't hold the production car land speed record. Until that happens, it's just one car which goes really fast. Only... it isn't. There are other street legal cars - also one-offs - which are faster than it has currently been recorded. Which of course drags onto a further point - these one-offs are much faster when altered for the track, but that makes them non-street legal. The TKR ran 260mph on salt flats - was it in a street legal state when it did so? If not, it can't even lay claim to a claim for fastest street legal car, because it wasn't street legal when it did it...

Ultimately the punchline is, it may be fast, but fast is nothing without hard sales. When it's sold in even the tiny volume the SSC Ultimate Aero managed and able to do those speeds on the road legally (mechanically speaking), then we can talk about the new king of speed. Until then it's one of a whole bunch of unique cars that can go very fast.


Secondly, I don't care who you are or what entirely mythical point you're defending (an argument about the theoretical capabilities of a single, individual prototype car only a couple of people on the planet have ever seen, much less sat in, much less driven? Come on), you can do it without insults. For reference, saying someone isn't Oscar Wilde or Stephen Hawking isn't an insult unless they are Oscar Wilde or Stephen Hawking. Saying someone lacks brain-power and intelligence is an insult.

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