Warning for potential buyers of GT4-Prologue (PAL-version)

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There is a large probability that the analog sticks can NOT be used to control the cars.

It is also very probable that the Momo Force Steering wheel is NOT compatible with the game.

This is based on information from Japanese GT4-users.

This is also a request to Sony ... :irked:

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Edit 29 Nov 04 : this thread was started before the launch of PAL Prologue. Only in the NTSC/J versions of Prologue the right analogue stick can not be used for throttle/brake.
PD cured it for PAL Prologue [thanks Sony & PD!].
 
I don't really care that much. Basic handling is good for me. And from what I have heard the physics are no good for drifting.

It's the eye candy I want :D
 
There is a large probability that the analog sticks can NOT be used to control the cars.


Are you sure? That defies the point of having those... I honestly don't think this information is accurate.
 
Sorry, Buggy boy, but do you have any proof to backup that claim?
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I believe that in the Asian versions of GT4P the right analogue stick can't be used for acceleration/braking.. but I've not played it so don't know. As far as I know the left one still turns fine :)

Wont affect me if that's the case.
 
And can you see fit to post this in the correct forum?

If you're going to post wolf cries like this, you need to provide something a little more definite than "This is based on information from Japanese GT4-users" as backup.
 
There is only one controller that does GT4P justice and that is the Logitech Driving Force Pro. Its the only wheel that supports 900° turning of the wheel from lock to lock. To use anything else is very close to blasphemy.
 
Care.

I use the D-pad anyway.
 
Same here.

The analog sticks suck for GT games. It's only the digital pad for me.
 
Seriously? That's crazy ... I use the default settings. I can't imagine using the d-pad. How do you possibly get good times with herky jerky steering?
 
The D-pad is actually slightly more sensitive than the analogue sticks.

The buttons have 32 degrees of sensitivity - and it's not hard to use them all, by varying finger pressure. My chosen profession so far has hinged on sensitive fingers, so I find it easier. By contrast, the analogue sticks have a half inch of travel in each direction - so you need to be able to move, with surety, 1/64th of an inch to replicate the same levels.

(IMO) :D
 
I use the right stick for acceleration and braking but the d-pad for turning, it's much more accurate for reasons that Famine said.
 
The dual analog control method takes a long time to get good with. I started using it when the first analog pad came out, not the dual shock the wierd controller with concave analog sticks and elongated holding thingys. That was like in 1996/7 with the first toca game. I can't use the d-pad well at all.

But yeah, in GT4:P there are no options to change controlls at all. Barring for the DF2 wheel. Although we might get a quick shoddily put together menu kinda like some of the ones in the Pal gt.
 
Originally posted by MistaY
The dual analog control method takes a long time to get good with. I started using it when the first analog pad came out, not the dual shock the wierd controller with concave analog sticks and elongated holding thingys. That was like in 1996/7 with the first toca game. I can't use the d-pad well at all.
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You're not referring to the ol' Negcon, are you?
namco_negcon2.jpg


Mate of mine had one of those - I could never come to terms with which way was right or left.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
You're not referring to the ol' Negcon, are you?
namco_negcon2.jpg


Mate of mine had one of those - I could never come to terms with which way was right or left.
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Damn, I forgot about that controller. It only worked with namco games mostly, I think it worked with the first F1 game for the PS1 as well.

Here is the best pic of one I could find.

Note the concave analog sticks and the elongated thingys.
Edit, damn didn't work.
 
Originally posted by Famine
The D-pad is actually slightly more sensitive than the analogue sticks.

The buttons have 32 degrees of sensitivity - and it's not hard to use them all, by varying finger pressure. My chosen profession so far has hinged on sensitive fingers, so I find it easier. By contrast, the analogue sticks have a half inch of travel in each direction - so you need to be able to move, with surety, 1/64th of an inch to replicate the same levels.

(IMO) :D
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Yes I am the same, I find that the D-Pad gives better control too.
 
Originally posted by Famine

The buttons have 32 degrees of sensitivity - and it's not hard to use them all, by varying finger pressure. My chosen profession so far has hinged on sensitive fingers, so I find it easier. By contrast, the analogue sticks have a half inch of travel in each direction - so you need to be able to move, with surety, 1/64th of an inch to replicate the same levels.
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So, let's assume that the D-pad buttons move 1/8 inch. That means, to get the same degree of accuracy, you need to be able to move your fingers with an accuracy of 1/256th of an inch.

You decide which is easier.
 
That's ok, I can wait for GT4 the "full" version.
 
t applying pressure can be alot not accurate then moving something that has not alot of resitance
 
I use the analogue stick for turning, sometimes I use the dpad.. I found it slightly easier to use it on some Licenses, the same way that Automatic or Manual is slightly easier on some licenses.
 
Originally posted by Arrow
t applying pressure can be alot not accurate then moving something that has not alot of resitance
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In English please!
 
What he was trying to say was applying pressure on the D-pad is more accurate than moving the thumbstcks which have very little resistance. I'd say he's right because I find the D-Pad more accurate.
 
i think he's saying analogue stick is more accurate

he said applying pressure (as in Dpad) is alot not accurate than moving something (stick)

i personally find the stick more accurate when ya get used to it (i used to always use the D pad)
 
I think he meant to say applying pressure can be alot MORE accurate than moving something that has not alot of resitance. Which make more sense than applying pressure can be alot less accurate than moving something that has not alot of resitance.
 
yeah, but it may make more sense but that not what he said



"t applying pressure can be alot NOT accurate"
 
Originally posted by ZEE
Sorry, Buggy boy, but do you have any proof to backup that claim?
:trouble:
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It was written in several threads with feedback about the Japanese and chinese versions. Didn't you guys really know??? It quite shocked me that time since I don't like to play with the digital pads at all.
For GPL I bought a Momo Force, but for GT I prefer the analog sticks far above a steering wheel.

I found back one mention of it in post 20 of this thread : https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-34887.html

Originally posted by neon_duke
And can you see fit to post this in the correct forum?

If you're going to post wolf cries like this, you need to provide something a little more definite than "This is based on information from Japanese GT4-users" as backup.
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I chose this forum because I think that PAL user's who still have to buy GT4P will follow the rumours here earlier then the - untill now Asian Prologue - GT4P users' forum.
 
The left analogue stick works just fine to steer the car in Prologue, you just can't set the right stick to accelerate/brake. You make it sound like none of the analogue sticks work.
 
well i use both thumbsticks to steer/accel/brake, so i hope it'll work on NTSCs.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
So, let's assume that the D-pad buttons move 1/8 inch. That means, to get the same degree of accuracy, you need to be able to move your fingers with an accuracy of 1/256th of an inch.

You decide which is easier.
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Human biology - your fingertips are far more sensitive to pressure than almost any other part of the body (they nearly outrank the clitoris in terms of nerve endings). By using your fingertips to control pressure and movement you have a far higher sensitivity than using your finger extensor/flexor muscles to move the sticks.

Besides, it's not the travel on the D-pad buttons. It's the pressure - increase the pressure and you increase the response.
 
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