What Aids are cheating?

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Ok I did a search and though many touch on the subject none really ask the question: "What aids are cheating"

I see lots of people saying that they dont use ABS....On most cars these days its standard and cant be turned off...Even some race cars have it if its allowed. There was a time In F1 (where I think it was mainly developed) where it was standard also.

Same goes for TCS....lots of cars have it where it cant be turned off...Infact on cars where it can be turned off, ON is the default setting!

ASM....Same as the above 2

Brake balance control....Ok the standard brake balance is nothing like a real car....But on most real cars you dont get the option to adjust it!

Skid recovery? Well this may be a cheat I dont know of any cars that have this. However It could be a clever form of traction control x ABS so that said lots of cars could have it without putting a label on it?

Active steering...Well as yet there are very few cars that can actually drive themselves..There are some about however, so thoughts on this?
 
No aids are considered cheating(except by the GT5 snobs). They are all put there by PD to use. Some just make the game less challenging. Its up to you to drive with what you feel comfortable with.
 
Active steering + Skid may be unrealistic helping methods. Don't personally mind Active Steering when trying SSR7 with the veyron though :)
 
Aids aren't cheating if the online room allows them. In fact, most aids will make you slower. Some will make you a lot slower. A bad player with aids on may be faster than a bad player with aids off, but a good player with aids on is sometimes slower than a good player with aids off... whereas great players are usually much faster with all the aids off. (Except, sometimes, ABS)

But if by "cheating", people mean "unrealistic", the only truly unrealistic aid is "Skid Recovery Force", which doesn't act as an in-car aid, but tweaks the car's grip when you lose control.

Leave what aids on you need to get used to the car, but take them away gradually as you build up in skill and confidence, and you'll find that you can go much faster. Most of us race with nothing more than TCS and ABS at 1, if the car needs it... but even for many of the supercars, driving with TCS at 0 is possible with enough practice.
 
I'm pretty sure neither Active Steering or Skid Recovery are directly based on any real technology and just put in by PD to ease less skilled players into the game. The others all simulate real-life driving aids.
 
I personally drive with all aids off, including abs. I don't see a point in driving with it on, and I don't mind if other people use them. They are just ruining their fun and it won't matter because I'll beat them anyway.
 
I've never seen a driving line in real life...

Personally I prefer them off with ABS at 1 -- and this is with a DS3. But if I'm in an FGT or something similarly ridiculous, I might not be able to make it around the track without Skid Recovery Force and minimal TCS.

I also make sure if I do any tuning I leave them off during testing. *Except ABS-1, of course.
 
Skid Recovery Force is a very "unfair" driving aid, I had that experience once at Trial Mountain. Two guys with skid recovery had veeeeeeeery impressive lap times with that feature.
If a good driver uses skid recovery you have no chance without against him, no matter how good you are.

Personally i think the only driving aid beside skid recovery which could make you faster is ABS. Anything else is going to hold your car back, limiting its potential it could have if you take the risk doing something wrong.
 
I think none of the aids constitute cheating, theres always going to be players who need them and players who don't. Not all drivers are of equal ability or patient/willing enough to sit there for weeks/months/years and try learn and understand the complexity of weight transfer or suspension setups, hit the aids and off you go vroooooomm.
 
Schmo
I dont think any aids are cheating.

But you can get AIDS from cheating, watch out for that.
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This is the funniest post I've seen in the GT5 forum in a long time.





Anyways, none of the aids are really cheating. The closest one that comes to being so would be Skid Recovery Force, because it isn't actually a driving aid so much as it is a motification of the physics engine.
 
If it were cheating to use them they would be called 'cheats' and not 'aides'.
I don't use them personally being used to the physics and experienced in GT but did add a touch of TC to the FGT on GT4 to learn how to get it around the track.
 
thedeester1
Skid recovery? Well this may be a cheat I dont know of any cars that have this. However It could be a clever form of traction control x ABS so that said lots of cars could have it without putting a label on it?
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Traction control, ABS, ASM all need the tires to have traction to work. If the tires don't have traction, even the smartest TC, ABS, or ASM won't do anything.
What skid recovery does is magically increase the traction on the tires that are slipping, which is impossible in real life.
 
niky
But if by "cheating", people mean "unrealistic", the only truly unrealistic aid is "Skid Recovery Force", which doesn't act as an in-car aid, but tweaks the car's grip when you lose control.
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I'm a little disappointed. I've skimmed over the replies and everybody seems to have overlooked another completely unrealistic aid: the race line. Yes, there's an ideal race line around tracks, and ideal speeds and braking points. What's unrealistic about the line is that it's magically drawn onto the track to guide you. I've watched a lot of races from many different motorsports from around the world on lots of different tracks, and I've never seen a magic blue/red line painted around the track to assist the drivers and let them know where to brake.

Having and learning an ideal race line is realistic, but having it magically painted for you is not. Traction control exists in reality, even if not on all cars, anti-lock brakes exists in reality, even if not on all cars, but magic blue/red race lines do not exist in reality.
 
Meh. I leave it on (offline) because I'm lazy. But the usefulness of the racing line is limited. Sometimes the braking points are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... *cough* *hack*...aaaaaay off. And you can often find a better line around the track once you've learned it.

I leave it on because I haven't had the time to acquaint myself with the new tracks yet. Online, I've never used it.
 
IceMan PJN
I've skimmed over the replies and everybody seems to have overlooked another completely unrealistic aid: the race line.
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Right, it's called a driving instructor in real life.

Care to look up the "James May/Jackie Stewart" feature on youtube yourself?

Aids are never cheating, if I lose it's not the car, not the aids the other one is using. It's because I'm too slow :D
 
Cheating: Skid Recovery Force. When tires begin to skid, provides extra bonus traction out of thin air. Regardless of skill, it grants something like 2-3 secs. per minute. Not existent/possible in real life.

Somewhat cheating: active steering. Doesn't make you faster, just helps. Limited application IRL. Some brands are working on implementing this broadly (e.g. Ford). Already available in some high end models.

Not cheating: ABS, TC, ASM (aka ESP, etc.). Make it easier for you, but not faster (on the contrary). Broadly available IRL, standard in most modern cars.
 
Thanks for the replies. The reason for the original threaed is that I was accused of cheating for not turning TCS off the other night.
I was online. The room wasnt labled as all Aides off or anything. The Host was regulating BHP settings (quite well I might add).

The cars are changing regularly. Im just playing for XP and a few "chips" so forget to turn off TCS every car change. Infact I had had some beers and wasnt at my best so I figure TCS might help sometimes so dont bother to turn it off.

I win a couple of races and someone else kicks up a fuss about me using TCS. So I admit that "yes" im using it and I get called a cheat and booted from the room!

Seems like Sour grapes to me, so just wondered what you thought?
 
Use what you want it is your game .. They would not be available if they were "Cheating". I use TCS1 ABS1 sometimes TSC 0 .. Nothing else. But i don't mind if i have to use everything i would not think i was cheating.
When doing test try to do them with the minimum you are comfortable with as some golds seem only possible with no or very minimum aids on.
try to ease yourself out of using them over time, not because they are "cheats" but because you will get better times and be more competative against real players. But each to thier own, Only those "purist" who play for perfection imply they are "cheats" but ignore them as they seem to think everyone else should play the way they do. Hobscotch and a few lines of censored words to them !
 
What HP restrictions were on in the room? If there was nothing in the room description that said no TCS, I don't see what they would be so huffy about.
 
Well he should have forbidden TSC if he doesn`t like to have it in use.

I leave it on because I haven't had the time to acquaint myself with the new tracks yet.
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Yes it`s a long task to learn every track with every car without racing line.
GT5 is still a videogame and for the most part it is about memorizing everything with each car on each track if you want to take every corner asap.

Furthermore GT5 does a poor job delivering a sense of speed in my opinion, going 50km/h feels like I am about to park my car.

There is a difference between driving a car or stare at a flat screen, remote controll a car with buttons.
I started to memorize some tracks for online racing but there are still many left.
 
I sometimes wonder whether some aids are there to help lesser drivers and maybe DS3 users or are just gimmicks. It would be interesting to at some point hear from people, who have used both the DS3 and a wheel, about the effects of aids other than TCS and ABS.

AcceptYourDeath
Furthermore GT5 does a poor job delivering a sense of speed in my opinion, going 50km/h feels like I am about to park my car.
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That is another subject, but I can tell you that in real-life going at 50km/h on a race track feels like standing still.
 
ViLLaiN
I've never seen a driving line in real life...
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Um, actually there is. Well, sort of. The racing line is always the darker area of the track, it's pretty noticeable. The rest of the track looks dusty/dirty.
 
tdk
Um, actually there is. Well, sort of. The racing line is always the darker area of the track, it's pretty noticeable. The rest of the track looks dusty/dirty.
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Exactly. That's also where the track has the best grip.
 
Me007gold
No aids are considered cheating(except by the GT5 snobs). They are all put there by PD to use. Some just make the game less challenging. Its up to you to drive with what you feel comfortable with.
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oohhh yeah
I personally drive with all aids off, including abs. I don't see a point in driving with it on, and I don't mind if other people use them. They are just ruining their fun and it won't matter because I'll beat them anyway.
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+1 the only aid i have is ABS on 1, makes the game more fun i think
 
i had a mate come round i hadnt seen in a while, he said he was awesome at gt, and he had aids on including the driving line!!! i urged him to take them off and he was a total mess.

i only use t/c on 1 on most cars, your a much better driver in the long run without them

also, bmw's have a system like skid recovery force its called asm all bmw's nowadays have it and yes if you turn it off its quicker in the twistys but less stable it increases the dampers on the opposite side when cornering and if you drift a little the revs drop

aids are for kids, god thats sounds so wrong doesnt it! lol
 
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As soon as i got the game no aids have been turned on apart from ABS +1. Its the only way to play! If you find it to hard with aids off, my best advice is to NEVER turn them back on again, don't give in, learn to play without the race line, traction, or any others, because for one it lengthens the game, and 2 you will learn to be faster than you could ever be with aids.

After a month racing with no aids, go back and switch them all on and see how lame they are. :D 👍
 
I generally disable them in my rooms, but none of them are cheating..

I would call the srf "unfair" though if you are using it and nobody else is. It doesn't do you any good to use aids though, better to turn them off from the start and just endure a few crashes, you'll come out of the smoke a much better driver.
 

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