What do you guys have against the PT Cruiser

[AP1]

The only thing I have against it is that it doesn't come in the Cranberry Purple color. I wanted to go Viva La Bam.

 

[Famine]

g'day mr famine!
you are such a stirer!

the cruiser has plenty of pulling power in RL for day to day applications. it certainly has more power thatn my astra! I drive 50km of freeway twice every day and my astra has plenty of power to merge into traffic with out getting "nailed". So your point i am afraid is moot. besides I see cars such as barinas (corsa) and less powerful cars on the same route as me... I doubt they are taking a risk on thier lives by doing so.

A 55hp Corsa has the same power-to-weight ratio as a 130hp PT Cruiser, but has the advantage that it's £10,000 cheaper.

ferrari_chris: Ever? Ferrari F40, Ford RS200, MkIV Supra. Current: Aston Martin V8, Alfa Romeo Brera, Alfa Romeo GT.

 

[chinny]

If Chrysler had come out with a 6 cylinder rear wheel drive PT I would think it was a wonderful thing. Instead they used the 4 cylinder from a Neon and made it drive from the wrong end.

 

[ferrari_chris]

ferrari_chris: Ever? Ferrari F40, Ford RS200, MkIV Supra. Current: Aston Martin V8, Alfa Romeo Brera, Alfa Romeo GT.

Obviously we have different tastes in car styling, very different tastes...

The Brera, the Aston and the Supra are nice, but the RS200?... Still, each to their own eh. I mean heck, I like the look of the PT Cruiser for cryin' out loud.

 

[simon1984]

i love it, the rear looks kinda like a hearse, i see a couple in town so obviously some people buy them!

 

[r0gu3]

Nothing wrong with a PT Cruiser if you are a sophomore in Highschool.

 

[95GTIVR6]

Oh man. This thread IS funny.

I honestly dont think the PT cruiser is that bad of a car when tuned right. Yes the stock form is nothing to drool over but ALTHOUGH it may be FWD it can still perform well when modified. Some of you guys need to learn to drive FWD cars. All i hear is bad mouthing about them.

And to people who are talking bad about the Americans reviving the old names/styles here is what I have to say. THAT has nothing to do with GT4 but rather the sales of the car. The Camaro was a dated platform and body although it did perform well. The GTO is basically a C5 corvette offered in a different body and under a "new" name. And the new Charger is a 300C with Dodge labeling.

What it appears some people dont understand is that reviving an old name is supposed to bring back buyers and increase sales. Yes, GM and Ford are now considered "Junk" in the stock market but you have to think about this from a sales point and who they are trying to target with their sales. With the GTO I think Pontiac is trying to save money by still offering a slight variation of the C5 and giving it a name that people KNOW performs. Its a matter of association. Dodge did the same thing with the Charger. Rumors are that there will be a Daytona model. History repeats itself so DEAL WITH IT.

However I do have beef with the new Mustang. It looks cheap and going with a retro look is stupid IMO. What are they going to do when the body style gets dated.......AGAIN! Are they going to repeat the cycle until they eventually have a variation of the Fox bodies If Ford was really smart they would remake the Thunderbird to where it can compete with a Corvette like it was originally designed to do back in the day.

You just have to think like you are a CEO of a large company. Honestly, all they are worried about is getting that other dollar and keeping it from the competition. Its sad, yes, but its the way things are. Everyone is trying to make another buck. If a "retro" mustang sells (which they are) then why not make it. Manufacturers have a few goals. Kepp the market they already have and to appeal to a new market (mostly people our age) They know that parents influence what their children do which means they can also influence what cars they like. (i.e if your dad owned an old school GTO, you may want one)

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. The PT Loser may be ugly and slow but truth shows that they sold. The you ask chrysler now is what will they do for the next generation PT cruiser now that the current style is somewhat dated? Bring back the 70's styling?

 

[viper684]

Oh man. This thread IS funny.


And to people who are talking bad about the Americans reviving the old names/styles here is what I have to say. THAT has nothing to do with GT4 but rather the sales of the car. The Camaro was a dated platform and body although it did perform well. The GTO is basically a C5 corvette offered in a different body and under a "new" name. And the new Charger is a 300C with Dodge labeling.

Whats funny is what you think you know. The GTO is not even close to a C5 Corvette. It is a rebadged Holden Monaro. The new Charger is not a 300C with Dodge labeling either. It is a different design, not nearly as big as the 300C.

 

[95GTIVR6]

^ LOL yeah I honestly dont know much about american cars at all. I dont really care for them. But doesnt the GTO use the gearing and engine from a C5 (LS1 at least in the '04 model)? Does te Charger sit on the platfrom from the 300C? If so then that was what I was refering to. If false then just forget the majority of my post.

 

[viper684]

^ LOL yeah I honestly dont know much about american cars at all. I dont really care for them. But doesnt the GTO use the gearing and engine from a C5 (LS1 at least in the '04 model)? Does te Charger sit on the platfrom from the 300C? If so then that was what I was refering to. If false then just forget the majority of my post.

I stand somewhat corrected. The GTO has a 6.0L LS2 V8 while the Vette has a 4.0L LS2 V8 so in a way I guess we both are correct. The Charger may possible sit on the platform of the 300C but I can't tell for sure. Sorry for flaming you earlier.

Viper

Edit: The Charger does in fact share the platform of the Magnum and the 300. The windshield also comes from the 300. I stand corrected and suppose I should be laughing at myself because what I think I know. LOL

 

[95GTIVR6]

I stand somewhat corrected. The GTO has a 6.0L LS2 V8 while the Vette has a 4.0L LS2 V8 so in a way I guess we both are correct. The Charger may possible sit on the platform of the 300C but I can't tell for sure. Sorry for flaming you earlier.

Viper

Dont worry about it. I dont take it as a flame, just a correction of broken knowledge. Arguing on the internet is stupid anyways. Its better just to be corrected and accept the fact that sometimes you may be wrong (not YOU as in YOU, YOU as in anyone) Really all i was trying to do was to explain why companies bring back old labels.

 

[nissan man]

its about as aerodynamic as a peanut-butter covered brick
and looks like 1 too!

PT cruiser driver="damn, i just hit an elephant"
Wife="o well, teh car is bigger and uglier"

k i was bein a bit random wiv that

 

[discopotato]

i hate how it looks and how people modify them. i hate when they put flames and fake side funny car exhausts, and lambo doors. i think that's infinitely worse than any civic with a big body kit could be.

 

[De Bolle]

It's just ugly. My uncle had one... and just for that, my aunt divorced him. That's what happens to people who own this car....

 

[ZAGGIN]

It's American. That's what most of them have against it.

i think that your being a little zenophobic (did i spell that right?) there duke. if it was the case as you suggested, then wouldnt 'they' be putting down all american cars? why single out just the pt cruiser? maybe its only because it is a rubish car, and nothing else.

personally, i dont like it because its ugly, underpowered and FF. in GT3 i thought the car was asmatic, and im in no rush to buy the car unless i have to (which i probably will ).

some of the best cars in the game are american. im a big chevy fan, with a fleet of corvettes that i regularly race. there arent many cars sexier than the gt40!

 

[jadcock]

I don't like them because they're Plymouth Neons with big butts. Same engine, slightly different rear suspension, but pretty much the same structure. It's an insult to Americans who love the car the PT was supposedly modeled after (1930s 'rods), but to saddle it with a 2.4L 4-cylinder engine? Get real!

I think they made the same mistake, by the way, with the Prowler. No matter what you style it like, something with a V6 and a power curve that resembles a Honda's will NOT sell as a "hot rod" in America like they marketed it as. I don't know if they ever tried to sell it outside the 'States, but unlike with the PT, folks here saw right through that Prowler and continued to buy real performance cars, like Corvettes and Mustangs.

 

[ving]

A 55hp Corsa has the same power-to-weight ratio as a 130hp PT Cruiser, but has the advantage that it's £10,000 cheaper.

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oh you are such a funny fellow!
I dont know how a saving of 10,000 pounds is going to help you merge into traffic... which is what we were talking bout. yeah you could spend that 10k on upgrades on a corsa but 99% never upgrade thier cars.

I still see 100% stock corsas in freeway traffic all the time and they arent risking thier lives any more than say a falcadore driver. you dont need a supercar to merge into traffic ya know!

 

[fordgt150]

If you want u do it right you do

 

[sideslider]

Nothing wrong with a PT Cruiser if you are a sophomore in Highschool.

Come on now, is that what your classmates are really saying? lol j/k no harm intended. 👍

 

[chinko]

oh you are such a funny fellow!
I dont know how a saving of 10,000 pounds is going to help you merge into traffic... which is what we were talking bout. yeah you could spend that 10k on upgrades on a corsa but 99% never upgrade thier cars.

I still see 100% stock corsas in freeway traffic all the time and they arent risking thier lives any more than say a falcadore driver. you dont need a supercar to merge into traffic ya know!

corsa = small
PT = oversized

£10,000 = Alot of money

also, the PT is so huge its probably about as maneuverable as a goldfish out of its bowl. its too big, slow and cumbersome for british roads

 

[JTSnooks]

HUGE!? You're calling a PT Cruiser huge?? It's actually a little smaller than a Neon, it just has a hatch over the back. How much does a PT Cruiser cost over there, anyway? They're about $15-20k here, to be that much less, a Corsa would have to cost about $5k over here. I'm guessing the PT Cruiser is just way overpriced over there, because here it's pretty cheap What's wrong with styling a car so that a bunch of middle-aged people will buy it? Plus, it gets pretty good gas mileage thanks to the 4-cylinder, and it sells (or sold, it's been out for a while) incredibly well over here, so in my opinion it was a huge success. The Europeans are the ones always complaining about "big, heavy, uneconomical v-8 powered" cars, and now you're upset because one's small, light, underpowered with an I-4 and economical? Of course, "small" and "light" are relative, but for over here it's very small. Make up your minds, would you?

 

[thenoose]

why i LOATH the PT Cruiser.

A) Its just plain fugly.
B) It handles worse than a chevelle with a 300c supercharger
C) It looks like an obeese prowler
D) Can get b eaten by a grand caravan in a drag race.

see?

oh andit costs like 30k over here.

just trade it in for a dodge ram or neon... even THOSE are better.

 

[Grand Prix]

HUGE!? You're calling a PT Cruiser huge?? It's actually a little smaller than a Neon, it just has a hatch over the back. How much does a PT Cruiser cost over there, anyway? They're about $15-20k here, to be that much less, a Corsa would have to cost about $5k over here. I'm guessing the PT Cruiser is just way overpriced over there, because here it's pretty cheap What's wrong with styling a car so that a bunch of middle-aged people will buy it? Plus, it gets pretty good gas mileage thanks to the 4-cylinder, and it sells (or sold, it's been out for a while) incredibly well over here, so in my opinion it was a huge success. The Europeans are the ones always complaining about "big, heavy, uneconomical v-8 powered" cars, and now you're upset because one's small, light, underpowered with an I-4 and economical? Of course, "small" and "light" are relative, but for over here it's very small. Make up your minds, would you?

Compared to a Ford Fiesta or Mini the PT Cruiser is big. I think the reason some people over there don't like American cars that much is because the majority of European cars are small, if you were to have an accident in your Mini with a Caddy Escalade, you have no hope for survival. Plus much of the backroads in Europe are old and narrow, much too small for average American cars.

But it's not just that. Cars in Japan and Europe evolved much differently from American ones. American cars are more highway oriented, while the others are more 'stop-and-go', constantly turning corners and breaking and accelerating between stop lights. An American car performs well at cruising at a constant speed, a Japanese car is suited to a tight enviroment, a European one is designed to last under a number of different forms of stress.

While it's not true that all American roads are highways, and all European roads are twisty, the road nature in general is different between the two continents. The reason why so many European and Japanese cars break down on American roads, and why so many American cars break down in Europe, is simply because the design philosophies just don't match the conditions.

Perhaps that is the source of this conflict?

 

[Valhallodin]

Honestly, I have never liked the PT Cruiser in real life.

I think it's a stupid little car.

You don't get nearly what you pay for.

And it justs seems to me like a car you'd buy, think was cool for 6 months, and then look back 2 years later and ask yourself what was wrong with you.

 

[JTSnooks]

Well it's definitely not worth $30k, so I can understand that. But over here it's less than $20k, even fully optioned. And for that much, it's not that bad a deal. It is getting quite old though, so it's due for a redesign, or preferably even an entirely new chassis. See, here in America it's a cheap little economy car that's roomy inside, versatile, and looks good for a small car (debatably so, but apparently enough people like it), and looked different from anything on the road. You have to remember than when it came out, almost every car sold over here was ugly and they all looked the same (Taurus, escort, chrysler LHS, Concorde, etc.) So it actually looked a lot better than most of the cars on the road, and was very very inexpensive. There's no way I'd spend $30k on one though! In fact, I wouldn't spend anything on one, but they're not bad cars considering what they were designed for.

 

[Gentry Coach]

First car I bought in GT3 and I regretted it from the start. Maybe just my driving style. BUT, I hate them in real life because, and this is just my experience where I live, everyone who owns one drives REALLY, REALLY SLOW. I don't know what it is, but I always manage to get behind one doing about 10 miles below the speed limit. I have gotten to the point if I see one on the road I cringe. Needless to say, I will not buy one in GT4.

 

[JTSnooks]

Haha, I don't remember having been stuck behind one, which is surprising. But they are mostly owned by middle-aged men and any-aged women, so that's why they're always going slow. I get more pissed when I get stuck behind an Expedition, and I get pissed just looking at an Excursion, especially when I can't see the person behind the wheel because it's some short 40-year old woman driving by herself. Grrr...ok, now I'm off-topic. Sorry Although the PT is what I started with in GT3 and it served me very well

 

[UnlimitedZero]

Rumors are that there will be a Daytona model. History repeats itself so DEAL WITH IT.

Daytona's already out, the SRT8 with a new 6.1L Hemi is coming out soon. Your right about history repeating its self, or maybe not.

Chrysler is luxury dodge, Acura is luxury Honda, Mercury is luxury ford, and so forth...Some of these cars look like they just slapped another name to them and resold them for more profit. I think there aren't that many independent companies. GM, Ford, and Daimlerchrysler own just about everything.

GM-Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Hummer, Saab, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall
Ford-Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover, Astonmartin
Daimlerchrysler-Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Eagle, Plymouth
Honda-Acura
Toyota-Scion
Nissian-Infinity
Volkswagon-Porsche?, Audi?, Panoz? (they are tied close to each other)


I could be wrong...if so, provide some proof, please. Check it out!

 

[ving]

HUGE!? You're calling a PT Cruiser huge?? It's actually a little smaller than a Neon, it just has a hatch over the back. How much does a PT Cruiser cost over there, anyway? They're about $15-20k here, to be that much less, a Corsa would have to cost about $5k over here. I'm guessing the PT Cruiser is just way overpriced over there, because here it's pretty cheap What's wrong with styling a car so that a bunch of middle-aged people will buy it? Plus, it gets pretty good gas mileage thanks to the 4-cylinder, and it sells (or sold, it's been out for a while) incredibly well over here, so in my opinion it was a huge success. The Europeans are the ones always complaining about "big, heavy, uneconomical v-8 powered" cars, and now you're upset because one's small, light, underpowered with an I-4 and economical? Of course, "small" and "light" are relative, but for over here it's very small. Make up your minds, would you?

here here!!

just because its bigger than a honda beat doent make it huge.

 

[ving]

You don't get nearly what you pay for.
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you are unfortunately looking at the vehicle from the wrong angle....

you are saying hey a civic is small light and fast, it can be upgraded to become faster, etc... the PT cant and therefor is an over priced car... but is that what the car was designed for? does it look like a race car? for your money you get a cost effective fugal (almost) vehicle that looks a bit retro, has heaps of space and is comfortable and very practicle... its aimed at a different market.
not everyone is a street racer you know!