What do you guys have against the PT Cruiser

[rotbarsch1979]

I just don't like the looks of it, plus there are better looking minvans with far better quality standards out there (e.g. Ford Focus C-Max, VW Touran, Renault Scenic, Opel/Vauxhall Zafira and the list goes on).

And since Ford is an American manufacturer as well the anti-American thesis doesn't apply here.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It is ugly and underpowered ...

 

[apexracing]

I absolutely hate it because it's a rubbish car and the fact that it's so trendy, it's ugly and it needs a better engine.

 

[Famine]

C'mon now Duke. That looks like a sweeping generalisation along the lines of the "All americans are fat and drive SUVs" generalisation that you are always so quick to pick up on.

The Cruiser just happens to be an ugly car. I couldn't care less if it was American, British, Italian, Malaysian or Korean. It'd still be ugly.

And underpowered.

And ugly.

And too heavy.

And ugly.

And "bling".

And ugly.

And the easiest new car in the UK to steal (5 seconds from being outside it to starting the engine).

Did I mention ugly?

 

[r0gu3]

C'mon now Duke. That looks like a sweeping generalisation along the lines of the "All americans are fat and drive SUVs" generalisation that you are always so quick to pick up on.

That is pretty much true here in TX. I'm glad I'm not American. 👍

 

[tubago]

And underpowered.

And ugly.

And too heavy.

And ugly.

And "bling".

And ugly.

And the easiest new car in the UK to steal (5 seconds from being outside it to starting the engine).

Did I mention ugly?

You forgot to lock the doors maybe...

 

[Grand Prix]

The American manufacturers are getting lazy and don't want to try anything "new". So they use retro styling and function. The Mustang, the Charger, the GTO, the death of the Camaro, the PT Cruiser are all examples of this. The new Mustang was a fairly decent effort IMO, since it kept true to the original car. The Charger, however, became a family sedan.

Anyways, the PT is pretty ugly, and combined with the half-azzed attempt to forge several different vehicles into one, it fails miserably in all vehicle aspects it was designed for, IMO.

 

[Famine]

You forgot to lock the doors maybe...

Seriously - What Car? (it's the name of a magazine... A boring, but reliable one) did a test a while back on how easy new cars were to compromise.

The professional TWOCer got past the PT Cruiser's locks in 2 seconds, and it took him only 3 more to start the engine.

An important footnote to that is that he had to do it without causing any damage...

 

[Pebb]

Its Ugly, Design is rubbish, Who ever designed it needs to sort his mind out.

Oh and did I say its ugly I would rather watch dry paint then look at a PT Cruiser.

 

[MarcoM]

It's a wannabee car.

 

[chevguy]

I think it's a niche' car. Not everyone is going to love it. It's one of those cars for the Baby-Boomers (as we call them here in the US, those born when the men and women just arrived home from WWII) to buy. So much of the "styling" is gone from vehicles today. they all look SOOOO much alike. the mainstream Hondas, Toyotas, Acuras, the Chevy Cobalt, the Fords, they all look pretty much alike. It allows the people in this age bracket (now approaching their 50s and 60s), to go back to the styling that they remember growing up. The car's weren't marketed to the 20 something generation here. In fact, I don't even remember seeing commercials for the PT Cruiser with 20 something’s in them. Because of this, it's not a race car, sports car, etc. Like the name says, it's a cruiser.

Ever heard of the Beach Boys? One of the biggest bands in the 60s, they had a car on one of their album covers of a woody with a surf board on the top. If you'll notice, the PT Cruiser looks frighteningly similar. There was actually an ad for the PT taken on the same beach with a surf board on top.

Speaking of ugly, IMO, there is nothing worse than a Honda with a huge body kit, we all like something different.

 

[ppucci]

It should have remained a Concept Car, along with the Prowler thing. The only reason I ever had it during the GT-family existance is because, just like almost everybody, it was one of the starters in GT3.

 

[ExigeEvan]

It's American. That's what most of them have against it.

Now who's stereotyping?

For one, it looks like a mini Hearse.

That's my general opinion of it. And it is a negative one.

 

[Dr_Watson]

other than it being ugly from any angle, poorly manufactured, underpowerd, and resting on a bad handling neon platform... i don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[DARRKCLOUD]

It is ugly, and underpowered.

 

[ferrari_chris]

UNDERPOWERED FOR WHAT!!

It's a cruiser, not a race car. It wasn't designed to go fast in a straight line, nor around corners. Don't look upon it as a sports car when it clearly isn't. It's not a PT Sports, or a PT Racer, it a PT Cruiser. It's for cruising. You don't need a lot of power to trundle along at 30mph you know...

It's probably a lot more comfortable to drive at 30mph than some of the cars you guys would suggest...

I still think it's neat! 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

have you driven one?
entering the freeway is dangerously slow... thats what i mean by underpowered.
if you're cruising doesn't involve hills, on-ramps, or cargo ... i guess its ok on power.

 

[kyle]

It wouldn't be a bad starter car if only it turned.

 

[Famine]

UNDERPOWERED FOR WHAT!!

It's a cruiser, not a race car. It wasn't designed to go fast in a straight line, nor around corners. Don't look upon it as a sports car when it clearly isn't. It's not a PT Sports, or a PT Racer, it a PT Cruiser. It's for cruising. You don't need a lot of power to trundle along at 30mph you know...

It's probably a lot more comfortable to drive at 30mph than some of the cars you guys would suggest...

I still think it's neat! 👍

Underpowered as in "Has too little power to drag too much weight around."

You may not need a lot of power to trundle along at 30mph, but to pull out of a junction from rest and not get nailed by crossing traffic requires SOME.

 

[ferrari_chris]

You may not need a lot of power to trundle along at 30mph, but to pull out of a junction from rest and not get nailed by crossing traffic requires SOME.

True, but if you're just cruising, you can wait for a bigger gap?

If you think the PT Cruiser is so ugly, I'm curious to get a couple of good looking cars out of you. I know you English think a bit differently to others...

So, three beautiful cars in Famine's opinion are:

 

[slotcarrod]

I drove a GT Cruiser, and for power it was not bad. It had a good feel and it was roomy inside but is is just a Neon with a different body. ( like a K car)

I don't mind the car but I would never buy one. It's like a wifes type of car.

 

[JTSnooks]

The American manufacturers are getting lazy and don't want to try anything "new". So they use retro styling and function. The Mustang, the Charger, the GTO, the death of the Camaro, the PT Cruiser are all examples of this. The new Mustang was a fairly decent effort IMO, since it kept true to the original car. The Charger, however, became a family sedan.

Anyways, the PT is pretty ugly, and combined with the half-azzed attempt to forge several different vehicles into one, it fails miserably in all vehicle aspects it was designed for, IMO.

Wow, way to contradict yourself. Too lazy to try anything new, then you applaud Ford for copying an OLD design, and get on the Charger, GTO, and the killing of the Camaro (and let's not forget Firebird) as being bad? New = non-retro GTO, non-retro Charger, and getting rid of 40-year old legendary nameplates. Old = Ford Mustang retro styling, PT Cruiser retro styling. Oh, and by the way, the original Charger was available in a "4-door family sedan" style too. And the PT Cruiser actually was a very good car for what it was designed for. I wouldn't buy one, but then again I wouldn't buy any FWD car. It was designed for cheap utility, and to look different enough that hopefully people would buy it for that (a-la the New Beetle, they came out around the same time). It wasn't designed to race, nor to be driven fast. And if you want to talk about underpowered, let's talk about Civic and Camrys. They're certainly popular enough and I don't see anyone (besides me) complaining about them.

As for being in a racing game, there are a LOT of cars slower than it in the game, so why not? My guess is Kaz likes it for the styling, as he seems pretty quirky. By the way, I started with it in GT3 because it was just about the only American car I could afford to buy starting off, and it won a LOT of races for me. I don't have one in GT4 because...well, I don't see the point, and haven't bought many new cars at all. I've mostly been buying up all the used cars.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

...That looks like a sweeping generalisation along the lines of the "All americans are fat and drive SUVs" generalisation ...

Are you saying that this isn't actually true

 

[ving]

Underpowered as in "Has too little power to drag too much weight around."

You may not need a lot of power to trundle along at 30mph, but to pull out of a junction from rest and not get nailed by crossing traffic requires SOME.

g'day mr famine!
you are such a stirer!

the cruiser has plenty of pulling power in RL for day to day applications. it certainly has more power thatn my astra! I drive 50km of freeway twice every day and my astra has plenty of power to merge into traffic with out getting "nailed". So your point i am afraid is moot. besides I see cars such as barinas (corsa) and less powerful cars on the same route as me... I doubt they are taking a risk on thier lives by doing so.

 

[Grand Prix]

Wow, way to contradict yourself. Too lazy to try anything new, then you applaud Ford for copying an OLD design, and get on the Charger, GTO, and the killing of the Camaro (and let's not forget Firebird) as being bad? New = non-retro GTO, non-retro Charger, and getting rid of 40-year old legendary nameplates. Old = Ford Mustang retro styling, PT Cruiser retro styling. Oh, and by the way, the original Charger was available in a "4-door family sedan" style too.

I guess I should have been more specific. I was only compiling that 'list' for examples, usually when I post my opinion I try to give contrasting but similar examples to show a broader spectrum.

The GTO is a new car that was given an old name. The Mustang GT is a car based entirely on an old platform. The Charger is another old name placed on a 'new' idea. (IMO, the Charger is known more as a bare-bones muscle car without luxury comforts, the same kind of impression that can seen from movies such as "Bullitt" and shows like "The Dukes of Hazard", which made the car famous. So I guess now you can see why I would consider a four door Charger as "lame" to my point of view.) The PT Cruiser is a car inspired by Chrylsers of the 30's, 40's and 50's. The Camaro and Firebird were victims of GM's sports purges, designed to bring in more retro inspired cars (SUVs, which are commonly associated with the "dinosaurs" of the 60's for their roomy interiors and brick-like aerodynamics) and gain the interests of more 'conservative' buyers.

All I was saying in that paragraph was that most American manufacturers are becoming more, well, "lazy", or conservative. It seems that only Saturn tries to "break the mold", with electric and hybrid cars, dent-proof doors, and new platforms. I'm sorry if I appeared overly negative.

 

[JohnBM01]

Okay. When I played Gran Turismo 3, the car I spent my 18,000 Credits of starting money on the Chrysler PT Cruiser. It's the most powerful car for that price (I believe) at 149 hp. You could give it NA or turbo upgrades.

Three years later, I haven't used the PT Cruiser except to clear that One-Make race. I like the PT Cruiser. Even when I got into it at the Houston Auto Show once, it was pretty comfortable as I had a lot of leg room. I'm six feet (even) tall, so if I had a license, I'd test drive one myself. I never hated this car. I think it's a solid machine. You kind of learn that firsthand with that One-Lap run around Sears Point/Infineon Raceway. I never hated it. The reason why I don't know about it in GT4 is because I don't really remember having the car in GT4. I still think the old-school styling on it makes it stand out. At least it's better looking than the Chevy Aveo. But as with most American cars, some can be pretty heavy. So the power this car contains comes at the price of heavier weight.

So, I'm real big on DaimlerChrysler. It's my favorite of America's Big Three. Great cars. My only real concern would be that it can kind of be not fun to ride in a FWD car, especially after a lot of tuning. So I don't know if the car gets worse to handle with tuning or not. So I'll leave that up to you, alright? Have a good day.

 

[viper684]

The American manufacturers are getting lazy and don't want to try anything "new". So they use retro styling and function. The Mustang, the Charger, the GTO, the death of the Camaro, the PT Cruiser are all examples of this. The new Mustang was a fairly decent effort IMO, since it kept true to the original car. The Charger, however, became a family sedan.

Anyways, the PT is pretty ugly, and combined with the half-azzed attempt to forge several different vehicles into one, it fails miserably in all vehicle aspects it was designed for, IMO.

You forgot to mention the Galaxy is now a MINIVAN!!!!! What was Ford thinking? I happen to like the new Charger and an American manufacturer did not design the new GTO they imported an Australian car (basically).

 

[VIPFREAK]

oh man this thread is hilarious.

 

[viper684]

It should have remained a Concept Car, along with the Prowler thing. The only reason I ever had it during the GT-family existance is because, just like almost everybody, it was one of the starters in GT3.

Whats wrong with the Prowler???? Its a beautiful car, particularly in the metallic red or blue color.

 

[ferrari_chris]

Whats wrong with the Prowler???? Its a beautiful car, particularly in the metallic red or blue color.

Great sound. I love that rumble!

It's just a shame that you can't race it against the competition. Maybe in GT5...