What do you guys have against the PT Cruiser

[ferrari_chris]

you are unfortunately looking at the vehicle from the wrong angle....

you are saying hey a civic is small light and fast, it can be upgraded to become faster, etc... the PT cant and therefor is an over priced car... but is that what the car was designed for? does it look like a race car? for your money you get a cost effective fugal (almost) vehicle that looks a bit retro, has heaps of space and is comfortable and very practicle... its aimed at a different market.
not everyone is a street racer you know!

Hell yeah!!

I'll say it again for the umpteenth time - PT Cruiser, not PT Racer...

 

[Dr_Watson]

oh you are such a funny fellow!

I still see 100% stock corsas in freeway traffic all the time and they arent risking thier lives any more than say a falcadore driver. you dont need a supercar to merge into traffic ya know!

my girlfriend has a neon... which is lighter than the PT with the same everything else.
and she complains constantly about how much of a pain it is to merge at rushour.
(we have those "city" freeways with practically zero run-on lane, so its like a 0-60 sprint to get on.. it it takes you 10 seconds to get to even hit 40... its not a fun time)

 

[Duke]

My Neon's pretty quick, even (mostly) stock. It'll stomp big footprints all over your average Civic, that's for sure.

The PT in standard 2.4l form is no rocket but it is not dog slow. But I drove the GT Cruiser - 2.4l turbo - and it was quite quick, I'll tell you, even with an automatic transmission. Very quick for a $25,000 street car, and handling was decent too.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Rumors are that there will be a Daytona model. History repeats itself so DEAL WITH IT.

Daytona's already out, the SRT8 with a new 6.1L Hemi is coming out soon. Your right about history repeating its self, or maybe not.

Chrysler is luxury dodge, Acura is luxury Honda, Mercury is luxury ford, and so forth...Some of these cars look like they just slapped another name to them and resold them for more profit. I think there aren't that many independent companies. GM, Ford, and Daimlerchrysler own just about everything.

GM-Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Hummer, Saab, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall
Ford-Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Landrover, Astonmartin
Daimlerchrysler-Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Eagle, Plymouth
Honda-Acura
Toyota-Scion
Nissian-Infinity
Volkswagon-Porsche?, Audi?, Panoz? (they are tied close to each other)


I could be wrong...if so, provide some proof, please. Check it out!

apparently you have not heard Mercedes-Benz proper name.
Daimler-Benz

which is why the crossfire and some other new chrysler cars look more and more like mercedes... so you'll have to add mercedes to the DaimlerChrysler list.

here is some more for you:

Volkswagen owns: Volkswagen, Skoda, Bentley, Bugatti, Audi, Seat and Lamborghini

Porsche is still independant

Fiat owns alfa, lancia, ferrari and maseratti

 

[ferrari_chris]

Apart from really small independant companies such as Caterham, Pagani, or tuner companies, aren't all car manufacturers just owned by either GM or Ford?

PS: Sorry about the small companies, I don't even know who owns these two, but what I'm trying to say is that if you trace it all back, it seems there are only two car manufacturers, GM and Ford and all other comapnies are owned by them, or owned by a company that's owned by GM or Ford...

ie: Audi owns Lamborghini, Volkswagen owns Audi, Audi is owned by GM or Ford. You get the idea?

 

[Dr_Watson]

Apart from really small independant companies such as Caterham, Pagani, or tuner companies, aren't all car manufacturers just owned by either GM or Ford?

PS: Sorry about the small companies, I don't even know who owns these two, but what I'm trying to say is that if you trace it all back, it seems there are only two car manufacturers, GM and Ford and all other comapnies are owned by them, or owned by a company that's owned by GM or Ford...

ie: Audi owns Lamborghini, Volkswagen owns Audi, Audi is owned by GM or Ford. You get the idea?

umm... no
the big conglomerate companies that own everything are:
Ford
GM
DaimlerChrystler
Volkswagen AG
Fiat
Honda
Toyota
Nissan

there are alot more independant brands than you think.
and Toyota alone is one of the highest grossing car companies globally... so don't try and think that america owns the auto industry...

if you read the last 5 posts or so you would allready know this information.

 

[chevguy]

Toyota also owns Lexus, and Subaru is part of GM. Otherwise you've got just about everybody covered here.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Toyota also owns Lexus, and Subaru is part of GM. Otherwise you've got just about everybody covered here.

i thought subaru was owned by Fuji heavy industries?

 

[RenesisEvo]

The PT Cruiser, as a concept, was great - a hot-rod inspired, modern car, with great styling and a beefy engine.

But no, US legislation slapped on 2 huge lumps of plastic on the front and back, and put some lame excuse of a 4-cyl in the front. Let's not forget, there is no such thing as an American car that can corner well (as someone said - there aren't many corners, just highways...)... mix in FF drive train and some rather weighty, MPV-based bodywork (since when has America produced a "light" car??) and ... oh dear.

It's just rubbish. I tried to like it GT3. Sorry... give me my Peugeot 106 Rallye any day. 230 miles on the Nordschleife and counting.

 

[chevguy]

i thought subaru was owned by Fuji heavy industries?

After a bit of checking, you're right. Subaru is owned by FHI, which also holds Isuzu (sp?). However, I know that there is a connection with General Motors and Subaru there somewhere, just not sure where. In fact, a mention of their connection is even made in GT4, when you read the text scolling by on the Subaru Dealership.

 

[Dr_Watson]

After a bit of checking, you're right. Subaru is owned by FHI, which also holds Isuzu (sp?). However, I know that there is a connection with General Motors and Subaru there somewhere, just not sure where. In fact, a mention of their connection is even made in GT4, when you read the text scolling by on the Subaru Dealership.

found it...
GM is a 20% minority shareholder.

 

[Dr_Watson]

The PT Cruiser, as a concept, was great - a hot-rod inspired, modern car, with great styling and a beefy engine.

But no, US legislation slapped on 2 huge lumps of plastic on the front and back, and put some lame excuse of a 4-cyl in the front. Let's not forget, there is no such thing as an American car that can corner well (as someone said - there aren't many corners, just highways...)... mix in FF drive train and some rather weighty, MPV-based bodywork (since when has America produced a "light" car??) and ... oh dear.

It's just rubbish. I tried to like it GT3. Sorry... give me my Peugeot 106 Rallye any day. 230 miles on the Nordschleife and counting.

the focus is *technically* american...
and its small, light, and out handles everything in its class.

but this is of course a car that was designed in germany... so... grain of salt++

 

[chevguy]

Let's not forget, there is no such thing as an American car that can corner well (as someone said - there aren't many corners, just highways...

Well, the Neon is supposed to have quite good handling (I've never driven one), and both the Corvette's and Viper's have excellent cornering ability.

 

[chevguy]

found it...
GM is a 20% minority shareholder.

GOOD JOB WATSON! 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

GOOD JOB WATSON! 👍

fear the google.

 

[ferrari_chris]

umm... no
the big conglomerate companies that own everything are:
Ford
GM
DaimlerChrystler
Volkswagen AG
Fiat
Honda
Toyota
Nissan...

OK, guess I was wrong then. And:

if you read the last 5 posts or so you would allready know this information.

Not everything you read here is true, just look at my post. I thought I was right, but now I stand corrected.

Also, doesn't Subaru have some tie in with Saab, I think I remember reading that the new 9-3 was based on the Impreza platform. Do you know anything about this?

 

[Duke]

Let's not forget, there is no such thing as an American car that can corner well

I've forgotten it, because this is total rubbish.

Well, the Neon is supposed to have quite good handling.

The Neon handles well enough that the SCCA Competition Board classed the 160-hp Civic Si - and gave it extra, non-stock parts as well - against the straight-from-the-factory 132-hp Neon sedan. They also classed the straight-from-the-factory 150-hp FWD Neon coupe against the lighter, 135-hp RWD Miata/MX5, an acknowledged handling champion.

This was in Showroom Stock B & C road racing. So much for "no such thing as an American car that can corner well". Bob Almighty, I get tired of people who don't think for themselves.

 

[meister_dan]

Forgive me if it's been noticed and said but I think this thread is similar to the one in the Gamefaqs Gran Turismo 4 Board..

 

[Dr_Watson]

OK, guess I was wrong then. And:
Also, doesn't Subaru have some tie in with Saab, I think I remember reading that the new 9-3 was based on the Impreza platform. Do you know anything about this?

actually ... yeah, GM has a 20% minority share... they own saab.
they were able to convince FHI to allow them to build the saab 9-2x off the scooby wrx platform.

I've forgotten it, because this is total rubbish.

The Neon handles well enough that the SCCA Competition Board classed the 160-hp Civic Si - and gave it extra, non-stock parts as well - against the straight-from-the-factory 132-hp Neon sedan. They also classed the straight-from-the-factory 150-hp FWD Neon coupe against the lighter, 135-hp RWD Miata/MX5, an acknowledged handling champion.

at least for solo II the neons are in GS, which is hella competitive... and a bit too much for neons to handle. the mini cooper, svt focus, eclipse/talon FWD turbo, as you said the civic si.... etc... are all in there.

but you were wrong about the miata... i had to look at my rule book, but as i suspected, miata's are in ES and CS, depending on if its the faster '98+ model.

 

[ving]

er, this has gone a bit off topic hasnt it?

 

[Crash]

Also, doesn't Subaru have some tie in with Saab, I think I remember reading that the new 9-3 was based on the Impreza platform. Do you know anything about this?

The the 9-2 is based on the Impreza WRX. GM has a stake in both Saab and Subaru, and a bunch of other nameplates, so the platform sharing to keep costs down isn't uncommon.

 

[puckerman]

I've seen many people syaing that the PT Cruiser is trash. I want to know do you have against it. I like it. I think that it is a beautiful car and it's a good starting car. That's the car i used to start GT3

It's an ugly mother..., but that's just my opinion..

 

[Swift]

I've seen many people syaing that the PT Cruiser is trash. I want to know do you have against it. I like it. I think that it is a beautiful car and it's a good starting car. That's the car i used to start GT3

Aside from the fact that it's a neon. I just thing it's plain ugly.

 

[Duke]

but you were wrong about the miata... i had to look at my rule book, but as i suspected, miata's are in ES and CS, depending on if its the faster '98+ model.

In Club Racing, the Miata is in Showroom Stock B, against the 150-hp Neon ACR coupe. The 160-hp Civic Si Coupe, however, is classed in Showroom Stock C against the 132-hp Neon ACR sedan. Plus the Civic gets a better trunk kit - in fact, the main reason that trunk kits were even introduced into what had been Showroom Stock racing was that no one could keep up with the Neons.

So I get reall really really tired of being confronted with uninformed dorks parroting the fanboy line that American cars don't handle. The Neon is just a cheap-ass economy car, after all. I paid $4900 used for my ACR, 6 years ago, and I've been flogging it every day since then, and showing up a lot of Japanese cars.

 

[Swift]

So I get reall really really tired of being confronted with uninformed dorks parroting the fanboy line that American cars don't handle. The Neon is just a cheap-ass economy car, after all. I paid $4900 used for my ACR, 6 years ago, and I've been flogging it every day since then, and showing up a lot of Japanese cars.

Yeah, they can handle a lot better then they look. There's not doubt about that.

 

[95GTIVR6]

Yeah, they can handle a lot better then they look. There's not doubt about that.

you have to be one of the funnies people on this site.


But seriously, when they first came out i wanted one bad. i thought they were the coolest thing since sliced bread. then i found out it is classified as a truck and then i realized that they arent as cool as i thought and opted for my GTI instead. ::whew:: glad i did that.

 

[jammyozzy]

Hehe, well, some of the police here in England recently got a load of PT Cruisers , and they don't look good with the flourescent chequering down the side! On the other hand, our police force also has a large quantity of Skoda Fabia's (aah the irony) so their car choice isn't always up to scratch.

 

[Famine]

umm... no
the big conglomerate companies that own everything are:
Ford
GM
DaimlerChrystler
Volkswagen AG
Fiat
Honda
Toyota
Nissan

there are alot more independant brands than you think.
and Toyota alone is one of the highest grossing car companies globally... so don't try and think that america owns the auto industry...

if you read the last 5 posts or so you would allready know this information.

...and Nissan are part owned by Renault.

 

[ferrari_chris]

you have to be one of the funnies people on this site. ...

I think you two are talking about two different cars. Swift was talking about the Neon, and I think you're talking about the PT Cruiser...

...and Nissan are part owned by Renault.

Who owns Renault then? GM or Ford?...

 

[JTSnooks]

some lame excuse of a 4-cyl in the front. Let's not forget, there is no such thing as an American car that can corner well (as someone said - there aren't many corners, just highways...)... mix in FF drive train and some rather weighty, MPV-based bodywork (since when has America produced a "light" car??) and ... oh dear.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess. By the way, the new GM Ecotec 4-cylinder can make over 600hp on STOCK INTERNALS! Try that in your Civic and see how well your hood fares when a pushrod flies through it As for the handling comment, I love how people dismiss half of the world's cars as "bad handling" when they haven't driven any of them. And I'd like to know your definition of "light". Apparently, you don't consider a car to be "light" unless is likely to be destroyed from hitting a butterfly at 60mph. Go ahead and drive a Ford Fiesta over here and see how safe you feel. My dad has a 1957 MGA in mint restored-to-original condition, so I know what a tiny, light, good-handling car should be. But try driving it on anything other than a mountain road and it becomes a constant adventure in glancing around you and watching out for idiots. The reason why we don't have what you would call "light" cars over here is because they are illegal. A little something called "crash testing", in which case I'm sorry, but a Smart car would NOT pass