What do you think of chinese auto industry ?

[Celicaas]

Hello There GTP



Recentley Lts of chinise cars are Going into the Market So
What do you think about it is it good? or is it bad?

Is it Succesfull in Quality or saftey ? and can it compete with other car manufacteures ? Discuss

 

[sumbrownkid]

If the Chinese can build a vehicle to the US standard of crash testing and emission, then by all mean they are welcome to enter the fold. But don't expect them win over consumers who now no where most of their stuff comes from.

China is like Voldemort now when it comes to economic politics.

As for the middle east market, I'm sure they'll make great replacement vehicles on a daily basis for the Saudis.

 

[Rykon Zero]

I don't like their history of simply making knockoffs, I'd rather they, like they recently seem to be doing, create cars based on their own merit. Doesn't keep them from being weedy little griefboxes that aren't worth their space on the road, but it's a process.

 

[homeforsummer]

Here's a Chinese car. Ish:

And against all odds, it's supposed to actually be fairly good. It's the MG 6, for those who don't know. Largely a Chinese car, with some extra fettling for quality, handling and refinement in the UK.

Sales are atrocious so far but that's fairly unsurprising, since their marketing has been non-existent. But apparently that's set to change soon. So who knows? Maybe it'll be a Chinese car in a competitive market which is actually worth buying?...

 

[Celicaas]

But it has no safety whatsover



The chinise have the Emrand ec8 It's good looking but it has a mitsubishi l4 motor and it supposed to be a luxury car so it should have a v8 or a v6


i don't know why they don't make their own engines

 

[Zenith]

People initially laughed at Japanese cars too.

"How do you double the worth of your Japanese car? Fill the gas tank."

I see no reason why the Chinese can't do the same as the Japanese did. There's always a market for a cheaper car.

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

I don't mind other people buying Chinese cars, but to get me in one would require someone to saw my arms and legs off.

 

[homeforsummer]

But it has no safety whatsover

Would you like to provide a source for this?

Since I can provide one to the contrary...

People initially laughed at Japanese cars too.

"How do you double the worth of your Japanese car? Fill the gas tank."

I see no reason why the Chinese can't do the same as the Japanese did. There's always a market for a cheaper car.

This. Only a fool would write off the Chinese car industry.

 

[Celicaas]

^^^^

That is the mg6 which is Sold in europe But the rest are just scary


And yes i have a source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CtRnNycKiI



That is is in saudi arabia the guy was driving at 130kmh and then tire Went off and look what happend

 

[hawkeye122]

^^^^

That is the mg6 which is Sold in europe But the rest are just scary

And yes i have a source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CtRnNycKiI

That is is in saudi arabia the guy was driving at 130kmh and then tire Went off and look what happend

Did you not read? The MG6 is made in China.
Try having a tyre come off at 60 mph in a Volvo, it'll still be a problem.
Why make your own engines when you can purchase some which are much better than anything you could make?
Youre making a blanket statement based on a youtube video of something which could easily happen in any car

 

[Scaff]

This. Only a fool would write off the Chinese car industry.

The exact same fools who wrote off the Japanese, then wrote of the Korean's and are now writing off the Chinese.

Our single biggest growth market as automotive system suppliers is China and its not just for overseas marques, the Chinese domestic product is improving at a very rapid rate.

It didn't take either the Japanese or the Korean's long to move from poor quality knock-offs to well made products that challenge the established order. Anyone thinking otherwise either knows bugger all about the motor industry or is spouting nonsense.

 

[Celicaas]

Did you not read? The MG6 is made in China.
Try having a tyre come off at 60 mph in a Volvo, it'll still be a problem.
Why make your own engines when you can purchase some which are much better than anything you could make?
Youre making a blanket statement based on a youtube video of something which could easily happen in any car

For the first. Answer : All cars sold in Europe must meet European safety standerds so that mg6 it is made in china but made in a better safety tests to meet euro safety standerds

Second answer I guess you have a point in that

Third Answer : yes Mitsubishi makes great engines but why only from mitsu all the time why not try someone else Who has bigger capacity in its cars Like I said the performance in the emgrand EC8 is just poor. Like wise The Rowe is has A Mitsubishi engine but has 102 HP That's just not enough .



I Saw a Geely pickup truck Which has Three motor diesel which is an inline4 2.2 And two petrols One is a 2.4 Inline 4 and the other is a 3.8 V6. Now That is great . There starting to compete with the Japanese pickups And it.s has bigger enginecapacity than Toyota hilux and Nissan pickup

 

[Celicaas]

Delete nevermind

 

[avens]

People initially laughed at Japanese cars too.

"How do you double the worth of your Japanese car? Fill the gas tank."

I see no reason why the Chinese can't do the same as the Japanese did. There's always a market for a cheaper car.

Chinese cars are objectively awful, sole known exception is the MG posted above and that's just "ok" or "acceptable" for the price. Japanese cars of that time were superb.

Sure they have improved, but you are much better off with a used car for the price. We still don't know for sure how the current chinese cars will resist the test of the time, but I say give it 10 years to get good laughs.

 

[Antonisbob]

Everything they built is either cheap or a copy, many of their jets, tanks, and guns are copies of Russian weapons.

I say same with their cars, people won't be buying them here..

 

[hawkeye122]

Third Answer : yes Mitsubishi makes great engines but why only from mitsu all the time why not try someone else Who has bigger capacity in its cars Like I said the performance in the emgrand EC8 is just poor. Like wise The Rowe is has A Mitsubishi engine but has 102 HP That's just not enough .

Thats the same as asking why Lotus don't use engines other than the ones coming from Toyota. Probably because they have a working relationship, or at least, a contract which gives them a bulk-order price.

I doubt that ALL Chinese cars use a Mitsubishi engine.

Sure, the EC8 has poor performance. But the only thing I've ever heard about Chinese commuting is that it takes forever. Do you really NEED a massive engine to be stuck in traffic? No.
Plus, perhaps it's for people who cant afford the Luxury and performance of a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Jaguar, or the like.

 

[Crash]

The exact same fools who wrote off the Japanese, then wrote of the Korean's and are now writing off the Chinese.

Our single biggest growth market as automotive system suppliers is China and its not just for overseas marques, the Chinese domestic product is improving at a very rapid rate.

It didn't take either the Japanese or the Korean's long to move from poor quality knock-offs to well made products that challenge the established order. Anyone thinking otherwise either knows bugger all about the motor industry or is spouting nonsense.

This, along with what Zenith and HFS said. The Chinese are graduating a ton of qualified, and smart engineers every year. I doubt it will take them long to figure out how to make a decent, basic car.

Everything they built is either cheap or a copy, many of their jets, tanks, and guns are copies of Russian weapons.

I say same with their cars, people won't be buying them here..

People said the same thing about Japanese and Korean products 20-30 years ago.

Most of the things they build now are copies, but China knows that that isn't a sustainable path. They know they need to start innovating to move to the next stage of economic development, and you bet they are doing it.

Many countries, as they develop and move into the group of wealthy, developed nations, follow the path of copy another successful country's products and sell for cheap, before slowly starting to innovate, develop and create new products and technologies capable of competing with the best out there. This happened to Japan and South Korea in post-WWII. Hell, this arguably even happened to the US during the early Industrial Revolution. This same overall process, albeit individualized, is happening in China right now.

 

[niky]

I don't like their history of simply making knockoffs, I'd rather they, like they recently seem to be doing, create cars based on their own merit. Doesn't keep them from being weedy little griefboxes that aren't worth their space on the road, but it's a process.

Like the Koreans who started out with licensed Mercedes, Ford, Mitsubishi and Mazda products? Or the Japanese, who basically photocopied their way to success in the 60s and 70s?

The chinise have the Emrand ec8 It's good looking but it has a mitsubishi l4 motor and it supposed to be a luxury car so it should have a v8 or a v6

Most worldwide sales of Accords, Camries and their ilk are with four-cylinder motors.

i don't know why they don't make their own engines

TVR made its own motors. Worked out pretty well for them. Why build your own motor when you can borrow one from a company that's borrowed its own I4 architecture from a joint venture with Hyundai and Chrysler?

For the first. Answer : All cars sold in Europe must meet European safety standerds so that mg6 it is made in china but made in a better safety tests to meet euro safety standerds

For mid-2012 and beyond, Chinese NCAP safetly requirements follow the exact same test parameters and testing speeds as EuroNCAP.

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I've driven lots of Chinese cars. Lots of dreadful Chinese cars. And then I've driven some good ones. Chinese companies with licensed technology make cars that are just as good as those made in Japanese- and Korean-managed plants in Thailand and India. And those with self-developed cars started out terrible, got better, got better some more, and are now just five to ten years behind the Japanese and Koreans.

Just ten years ago, that's exactly where the Koreans were. Look at them now.

Belittle the Chinese at your peril... they have the potential to sweep aside weaker European and American brands over the next decade. And if the Japanese economy stays in the doldrums, they might even take out a few Japanese companies, as well.

The only question now is how many of the dozens of Chinese brands will survive the impending economic slowdown in China. This will either stop Chinese auto development or force them to spill over into the overseas markets. If it's the latter, Cog help us all.

 

[YSSMAN]

Although it's technically from Taiwan, or the Republic of China, I recon this one is worth mentioning. The Luxgen 7 certainly has the right looks inside and out to be a proper competitor in an extremely competitive class. Apparently it's pretty good, and that's all that matters when it comes to getting your foot in the door.

With Suzuki leaving the American market, I wouldn't mind seeing a few of these rolling around.

 

[SagarisGTB]

People initially laughed at Japanese cars too.

"How do you double the worth of your Japanese car? Fill the gas tank."

I see no reason why the Chinese can't do the same as the Japanese did. There's always a market for a cheaper car.

The laughed at Lada and Chrysler... oh wait, they still do...

Though, it is indeed true that the budding Chinese car industry shares far more in common with their Korean neighbours than either of those two or the Japanese. It might take a while, but they will get there someday. The market size and demand is all the road they need to get there.

 

[Rykon Zero]

Like the Koreans who started out with licensed Mercedes, Ford, Mitsubishi and Mazda products? Or the Japanese, who basically photocopied their way to success in the 60s and 70s?

If they're licensed, that's one thing, and with the Japanese, they stopped, didn't they?

Don't forget, I also said it's a process. China appears to be slowing down on the shameless knockoffs, and is starting on their way to a proper auto industry. When they started, I had no respect for them, and now, they're making projects I can respect. Perhaps not buy, but respect from a distance.

 

[homeforsummer]

I say same with their cars, people won't be buying them here..

...said everyone, about Korean cars 15 years ago and Japanese cars 25 years ago.

 

[Dean]

Aren't the Chinese just copying Range Rover (and etc.)?

 

[homeforsummer]

Aren't the Chinese just copying Range Rover (and etc.)?

Several companies copy several other companies.

What's your point?

 

[Grayfox]

Nothing but knockoffs.

They copy the exact design rather than copy then tweak which most others do.

 

[Dean]

Nothing but knockoffs.

They copy the exact design rather than copy then tweak which most others do.

That was actually my point. 👍

 

[Celicaas]

Nothing but knockoffs.

They copy the exact design rather than copy then tweak which most others do.

I agree with gray fox's post here. The Japanese for example didn't
Copy others As far as I know At the time when they were new competeters against American and European
Cars although people said that they were rubbish just like what we are doing at the chinise



So Japanese cars made their success with doing there own car industry which was cheap at the time but they didn't copy anybody's design

 

[homeforsummer]

Nothing but knockoffs.

They copy the exact design rather than copy then tweak which most others do.

Except they don't all the time. You just tend to hear about the exact copies more often, usually because there's some sort of lawsuit surrounding them.

The MG I posted above is a good example. As are the Roewes. They don't look anything like any other vehicles, yet they're made by SAIC - one of the largest car companies in the world.

So Japanese cars made their success with doing there own car industry which was cheap at the time but they didn't copy anybody's design

Then you clearly don't know much about the industry.

Rright up to the 1980s it was fairly difficult to see any originality in Japanese car design. Lexus LS400? If you can't see that it was a slightly blander copy of a Mercedes S-Class you're not trying hard enough. And one of Suzuki's most popular cars ever, the SJ series, was basically a shrunken Jeep. They even nicked the traditional Jeep grille. FC RX-7? Not at all dissimilar from a Porsche 924/944.

Hell, I love the MX-5, but the damn thing was a copy of virtually every 1960s British sports car!

None are perhaps as blatant as some of the Chinese rip-offs, but a great many were heavily influenced by cars from other countries. Korea? Exactly the same. Most of its industry got started by re-using old Japanese cars...

 

[TDZdave]

We have quite a few Chinese car manufacturer's, Great wall cars, Cherry etc, and they are the most unsafe awful pieces of machinery ever created, I feel safer using 18th century logging equipment then driving the great wall dual cab, the boss bought one for a yard car, its so bad I wont take it out of the yard, I prefer the 20 year old Ford utility, and that over heats every half hour, the first and last time I used it it was brand new, the boss drove it from the car yard to the work yard, around 100KM's I took it to get lunch, the windscreen wiper blew off at 50KPH, I bent the clutch pedal underneath the brake pedal, and could swear I smelled diesel the whole trip, the car has now done approx 12,000KM's and none of the gauges work, the window's wont wind down, the backing of the seat has snapped on the driver's seat and the seat belt bolt came out on the driver's side, the seat belt on the passanger side has broke, we take it back every 2 weeks to get fixed and more issues come up, safety is non existant in these cars,

 

[niky]

As HFS says, you only hear about the dreadful Chinese cars because such news is newsworthy.

What isn't newsworthy is good Chinese cars.

Haima has been turning out high quality licensed Mazdas for years. They're now making their own versions of older Mazdas.

Several Chinese companies make both licensed products and original cars.

Chinese cloning happens because of poor IPR regulations in China. But make no mistake, apart from a few cars like the Chery QQ (and that's a tangled web... as Chery actually bought out the manufacturing plant for the Matiz to make that car. The legal argument is whether buying out a subsidiary of a bankrupt and defunct company carries with it the rights to the products you can produce with those machines) (breathe...!), many "copycats" have very different mechanicals underneath. Some are even buiot on properly licensed platforms.

Cheap Chinese cars are deathtraps. Poor chassis design, terrible build quality, insanely fragile and underpowered hydraulic brake masters... But normally priced Chinese cars are really not that far off normally priced non-Chinese cars.

But since they're normally priced, there's no actual reason to buy them over non-Chinese cars. Which is why exporters only send out the cheap Chinese cars. Which is why everyone sees them as garbage. Which is why nobody bothers to export the decent ones... It's a vicious, self-fulfilling expectation cycle.

I've driven lots of Chinese cars, especially in my work for COTY. In fact, the poor quality of some led to a rule clarification that if a car doesn't meet a minimum quality standard, it can't win its class, even if it's better than the rest of the dreck it's up against. But having driven a wide sampling over the past several years, I've seen a trend of incremental improvement. Such that I fully expect some Chinese cars to match at least Suzuki quality within a few years and Kia quality by decade's end.