What does everyone think of the GPU in the next xbox?

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Terronium-12
I find most of this entire thread hilarious. Especially arguing over what it isn't even a confirmed bit of hardware.
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I've got 2 kids and a wife going to college. Right now I don't have much else to do. :) Plus I just like talking about video games. If everyone agreed with me I would be bored to death right now. I usually enjoy the speculation and research of a new product more then I do the product itself. The most fun i have had by far with GT5, was before it was released.

Just like museumsteves triple screen build thread. I would love to do what he has done. Just the research on the projectors and type of screens or paint, would keep me busy for a month, but would probably end up only using it for a few weeks and then it would just sit there, except for the occasional run. That's the only reason I haven't went triple screen yet. After pending months researching my sub, I spent 2k on one, and it never gets turned up loud enough to get to even hardly hear it. It's funny how kids give you all the time in the world to sit around and do nothing, but as soon as you try to do something you can't stop in the middle of, they go crazy.
 
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Soooo...

We don't know what the GPU will actually be like, we only know what it's supposedly going to be based on, we don't know whether MS is going to use a single GPU or multiple GPUs, we don't know the other hardware components of the console, but people are ready to decide whether it will be up to snuff or not :rolleyes:

Also, the first Xbox360 dev kits were shipped with GPUs based on the X800 chips, when the GPU in the actual console was a X1800-derived chip. Therefore, I wouldn't be suprised to see something based on AMD's 7XXX series in the actual console.

Just food for thought, really. I just wouldn't read too much into it...
 
LaBounti
I'm just trying to be realistic. But I agree with you. Just defending the fact as to what it doesn't have to be to be good.
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Which is why I said most of the entire thread. :P

bevo
I've got 2 kids and a wife going to college. Right now I don't have much else to do. :) Plus I just like talking about video games. If everyone agreed with me I would be bored to death right now. I usually enjoy the speculation and research of a new product more then I do the product itself. The most fun i have had by far with GT5, was before it was released.

Just like museumsteves triple screen build thread. I would love to do what he has done. Just the research on the projectors and type of screens or paint, would keep me busy for a month, but would probably end up only using it for a few weeks and then it would just sit there, except for the occasional run. That's the only reason I haven't went triple screen yet. After pending months researching my sub, I spent 2k on one, and it never gets turned up loud enough to get to even hardly hear it. It's funny how kids give you all the time in the world to sit around and do nothing, but as soon as you try to do something you can't stop in the middle of, they go crazy.
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Same applies to you. :P

Luminis
Soooo...

We don't know what the GPU will actually be like, we only know what it's supposedly going to be based on, we don't know whether MS is going to use a single GPU or multiple GPUs, we don't know the other hardware components of the console, but people are ready to decide whether it will be up to snuff or not :rolleyes:

Also, the first Xbox360 dev kits were shipped with GPUs based on the X800 chips, when the GPU in the actual console was a X1800-derived chip. Therefore, I wouldn't be suprised to see something based on AMD's 7XXX series in the actual console.

Just food for thought, really. I just wouldn't read too much into it...
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Actually, it's based off of the X1900/R580 (XTX or GT, I can't remember which)

While it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility to see a Southern Islands-based GPU, that would make the 360's successor exponentially expensive (perhaps as expensive as the PS3 when it launched, if not more expensive) and that's not a path Microsoft wants to go down.

Even if it does turn out to be a 6870, that's still roughly 7x more powerful (let alone capable) than the R500 GPU in the 360.
 
Seismica
The problem is, these 'mind blowing' videos of PC games are compressed files on youtube usually played at 360p.

The difference isn't staggeringly great between a well optimised console game and your average PC title; at 720p or even upscaled 1080p. Where you really see a difference is when you up the resolution to 2560x1440 (1440p) or higher (I'm assuming you can go higher). Most PCs these days don't have a chance of running the latest games at that resolution, on high settings at solid 60fps, never mind consoles. In 3-4 years 1440p will be commonplace and the standard for PC gaming (Much like native 1080p is the standard now, which the consoles can't do and a lot of PCs, including those with a single 6670, can't at a decent framerate). Then the consoles will really be behind.
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No the next revolution will be 4000k, which we are just starting to see the first glimpses of now in movie projectors and digital cameras, no hope for 4000k gaming anytime soon, maybe they will be here in time for glasses free 3D gaming in 5-8 years
...doubtful though, usually the gaming resultion rates is faaaar behind movies and tv for home use
 
Terronium-12
Actually, it's based off of the X1900/R580 (XTX or GT, I can't remember which)

While it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility to see a Southern Islands-based GPU, that would make the 360's successor exponentially expensive (perhaps as expensive as the PS3 when it launched, if not more expensive) and that's not a path Microsoft wants to go down.

Even if it does turn out to be a 6870, that's still roughly 7x more powerful (let alone capable) than the R500 GPU in the 360.
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My bad for mixing the GPUs up, but all I wanted to point out is that it wouldn't be all that unlikely to see the GPU in the dev kit and the actual console to not match up perfectly.

However, there have been rumours about MS making the next Xbox profitable from day one on, so I'm not too sure myself whether it's likely to see a 7X GPU in the NextBox. Then again, it's still more than a year away, I'd say, so it's hard to determine anything yet, anyways.
 
Luminis
My bad for mixing the GPUs up, but all I wanted to point out is that it wouldn't be all that unlikely to see the GPU in the dev kit and the actual console to not match up perfectly.
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I agree. They'd have to be on similar capabilities though, obviously. I had no idea the dev kits had an R420-based GPU though. That's fantastic.

However, there have been rumours about MS making the next Xbox profitable from day one on, so I'm not too sure myself whether it's likely to see a 7X GPU in the NextBox. Then again, it's still more than a year away, I'd say, so it's hard to determine anything yet, anyways.
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Precisely the reason I said it's a bit unlikely to see an SI-based GPU. It's not out of the question...but if MS wants to play the same card they did with the 360, they'll have to take on previous generation PC hardware; nothing particularly up-to-date.
 
Toronado
Not gonna happen, so don't worry about it.


Developers have already been saying the Wii U can do native 1080p.

This will be more powerful than that.
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1080P is very misleading. Wii U is actually not even next gen and 720 being 20% more powerful doesn't say much either going by the rumors.

MLB the show is native 1080P game. It is easier to do games like these at such high res when there is not too much to render. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMwa...xt=C3bf5902UDOEgsToPDskITi7NcAuJfGbZl7OVlN8UJ

Nintendo might probably get away because they have habbit of doing different things and it might work of them. 720 will not go the distance if the hardware is not good enough. May be they are banking on Kinect too much
 
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Lol. I laugh at the speculation around here.

SuperShouden created an Xbox is doomed thread last year.
I did ask him when it will be doomed but as yet nothing.
 
kimi123
1080P is very misleading.
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Native 1080p means games are rendered at 1920x1080. These are launch games that are running that on development kits. Meanwhile, you can count on one hand the games on the PS360 that can claim the same thing six years in.




Doesn't seem too misleading to me.
 
I think Microsoft is ONLY using the architecture of the GPU (Northern Islands). With that, they have the ability to modify it however they want to be more powerful+ economical. I think its a more logical basis to start with since the 6670 was the first to support 3D and all the other goody technologies from AMD. Keep in mind the 6670 uses the same ISA as used in the 6700 and 6800 series. Plus theres a 20nm doping process now :dopey:, so this adds so much more flexibility to GPUs design. SO many variables can effect the final product + comparison with other GPUs. So wait till more info (or rumors) comes up.
 
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Speaking of which, this would be a good opportunity to push MLAA, and considering the possibility of Sony continuing with nVidia support they can push PhysX.
 
Sorry for the bump, but one thing I would like with the new Xbox is, instead of the current Mic jack, make it compatible to PC mic's as well. That way potentially more people could use Mics because things like iPhone Headphones and things like that would be available for people who don't want to spend $20 on the worst quality headset out there.
 

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