What ever happened to the fun of Gran Turismo

[Techy]

Currently most people on this forum are complaining about why they're not getting money and how flawed GT5 is. Another bunch are exploiting loop holes to get more cash and XP. So whatever happened to playing Gran Turismo as it should be played, appreciating the Physics engine and the cars and how each and everyone has a different feel to it. Yes the reward system and AI are flawed as well as the events but GT is always about driving, lets do that instead of driving around in circles.

That's why I am going to soon take my GT-R SpecV or some other car to Nurburgring 4hr. I would like to take some practice on the track and have some rewards in mind, too. The only thing I wish of Endurance races to have is a large Credit boost (481k Credits to 1-5 million Credits), either temporarily or just forever.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Currently most people on this forum are complaining about why they're not getting money and how flawed GT5 is. Another bunch are exploiting loop holes to get more cash and XP. So whatever happened to playing Gran Turismo as it should be played, appreciating the Physics engine and the cars and how each and everyone has a different feel to it. Yes the reward system and AI are flawed as well as the events but GT is always about driving, lets do that instead of driving around in circles.

So let me get this straight, you started a whole thread to call out all of the complaining about how flawed the game is, then you close out your comments with a complaint about flaws in the game? Did I read that correctly?

Brilliant!!!!

Can someone please post a face palm picture here...

 

[FOX_REYERO]

For me Gran Turismo is not only a race game... it is a part of my love/passion to cars and races... and for all the gamers that only play GT5 to level up, or to get all cars (like pokemons) and they always ask for patches or free stuff and more cars... and also still complain about the GT mode and so.... i think they’re forgetting some cool details like simply enjoying checking the car description (it has really cool stuff) and then start looking more info about that... i mean to really learn more about the car you have... or what about the museum or the online mode??... Damn! Maybe I'm kind of old (24).. but... some years ago the race games had a lot of limitation in so much ways that comparing them to GT5 is simply ridiculous... c'mon guys have fun and enjoy a great game!... and if you lost the fun for GT5... sell it on eBay ... win some bucks and make a gamer happy!

 

[Ru-fus]

with what everyone else has said about the games flaws/glitches and so on, i still get a decent fun/enjoyable aspect from the game, it may be spending time tuning your fav cars to the way you want them and taking them on test spins and maybe a few photo shops as well, that alone will pass many hours, i've enjoyed the racing, up as far as the endurances, but at least 4hrs or more driving around the same track after a while gets a little boring and repetitive for me, tho i guess with a few breaks from the game in between will help with that. finding the time to do the longer enduro races tho is my problem now, only the weekend being the possible time with a spec anyway.

but in short like previous GT games, i'll never get bored or fed up with it and it will always have its sense of fun for me

 

[NapalmSanctuary]

For me Gran Turismo is not only a race game... it is a part of my love/passion to cars and races... and for all the gamers that only play GT5 to level up, or to get all cars (like pokemons) and they always ask for patches or free stuff and more cars... and also still complain about the GT mode and so.... i think they’re forgetting some cool details like simply enjoying checking the car description (it has really cool stuff) and then start looking more info about that... i mean to really learn more about the car you have... or what about the museum or the online mode??... Damn! Maybe I'm kind of old (24).. but... some years ago the race games had a lot of limitation in so much ways that comparing them to GT5 is simply ridiculous... c'mon guys have fun and enjoy a great game!... and if you lost the fun for GT5... sell it on eBay ... win some bucks and make a gamer happy!

Asking for free stuff is a bit ridiculous.That said, i would drool over a chance to pay for all the classic tracks. this game seriously lacks race tracks. As far as patches go....its an incomplete game so sony has seriously obligated PD to do this cuz they forced them to release an incomplete game.

The car museum, photo mode, checking car descriptions etc has nothing to do with core gameplay, which is the part of this game that is suffering i.e. the XP system(which creates an instinctual motivation to level up, and is something i expect from a lesser racing sim, not GT which had a superior merit based race entry system[licenses]), lack of race tracks(namely classic GT tracks), only 17 modifiable cars, only 200/1000 premium cars etc. with all the content this game has, its the limitations that stand out cuz its so incomplete, and misguided in the case of the XP system.

bottom line is, i bought this game to race but it requires so much of a time commitment that id be better off trying to become a real race car driver cuz then atleast id have some REAL accomplishments under my belt even if i didnt do well. And this really sucks cuz i love the GT franchise.

 

[StephenNW10]

Bottom line is, the fun stopped when they put not enough content to complete the game without repeating itsrlf. Its dirt2 allover again.

 

[ninjasansan]

I think the fun ended when us 100% completionists totally couldn't finish it. The fun hasn't ended for me, but grabbing a shiny new car(or even shiny old car) is quite difficult given the payout.

Outside of the bad payout for the races (or lack of many races) I wouldn't mind this game at all.

 

[oopssorryy]

For me there are only three major flaws in this game
1. Not enough reward for winning races.
2. Not enough races, rallies, and special events (GT4 was perfect for this)
3. Some cars are oddly nerfed (Supra RZ/GTR R34), and many outstanding super cars and classics are missing. (Veyron Super Sport, Porsche, and Koenigsegg to name a few)

Does this mean it's a bad game? No! I love this game, when I'm in a race I focus and just have a blast. The tuning aspect of the game is massively fun and it's only getting better as patches come along. With the advent of Patches and DLC's games are only going to grow once they are released. IMO I think PD released GT5 early because they knew they could do this and didn't want to push back the released date. I fear this is going to become a trend and we consumers are going to start buy Beta games, and have to wait on patches to get the full game. Do I like this idea? No. Will i stick with a decent game and watch it become great as time goes by? You better believe it!

 

[Callum B]

I am still having fun. I have been trying to learn to drive without assists on. It's been tough but in the end I think it'll be rewarding.

it is, i started with no assists on and it feels great, especially when you lose control of say an xkr or something and you hold the slide, good times =)

 

[NapalmSanctuary]

it is, i started with no assists on and it feels great, especially when you lose control of say an xkr or something and you hold the slide, good times =)

Is there any other way to play GT, i mean seriously dude.

 

[IFLATLINEI]

Currently most people on this forum are complaining about why they're not getting money and how flawed GT5 is. Another bunch are exploiting loop holes to get more cash and XP. So whatever happened to playing Gran Turismo as it should be played, appreciating the Physics engine and the cars and how each and everyone has a different feel to it. Yes the reward system and AI are flawed as well as the events but GT is always about driving, lets do that instead of driving around in circles.

We talk about this alot within the group I race with.

IMO this is a 5 year game. Take your time and have fun. Get better. I get great personal enjoyment out of being able with practice cut a laptime down another half second. Or wringing some extra perfomance out of a car.

The problem is and I used to talk about this in forums in the past. Gamers these days are being groomed to quickly and at all costs finish the game because the next one will be out as fast as they can develop it. Gamers/Racers have been ruined playing crap like NFS shift, Grid, Ferrari or Supercar Challenge. I dont mean to keep harping on those games. I understand they have their place. But just not at this level. So anyways now we have tons of gamers/racers who feel the need to breeze through this game which is fine. Let them. Let them get through it quick and move on. The faster the better in my opinion because thats when this game will get even better online. Many of the Exploiters will be gone and the majority will be what most of us expect. Quality racers.

 

[NapalmSanctuary]

We talk about this alot within the group I race with.

IMO this is a 5 year game. Take your time and have fun. Get better. I get great personal enjoyment out of being able with practice cut a laptime down another half second. Or wringing some extra perfomance out of a car.

The problem is and I used to talk about this in forums in the past. Gamers these days are being groomed to quickly and at all costs finish the game because the next one will be out as fast as they can develop it. Gamers/Racers have been ruined playing crap like NFS shift, Grid, Ferrari or Supercar Challenge. I dont mean to keep harping on those games. I understand they have their place. But just not at this level. So anyways now we have tons of gamers/racers who feel the need to breeze through this game which is fine. Let them. Let them get through it quick and move on. The faster the better in my opinion because thats when this game will get even better online. Many of the Exploiters will be gone and the majority will be what most of us expect. Quality racers.

Its the XP system dude, its unrealistic & inferior to the license system. its the lack of tracks in the game. If the game is good people will play it till a better game comes.I still play GT2&3 to this day cuz they rock. this one got stale quick. the physics are better for the premium cars and being able to play online is cool but thats the only edge this game has over previous titles.
I dont want a quick, breeze through kind of experience, i want a fun experience and no other racing game lives up to the GT franchise, and unfortunately for some of us, neither does GT5. all i want is a racing game as good as GT2&3 and ill play it for 20 yrs.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

I've been playing GT for years,and it all comes down to if I had to recommend a GT to someone, I'd choose GT5. I'm still having fun. Yes, I've tried to do the Nurburgring 24h thing, but I've been cash-strapped. Plus I tune so I need money a lot...but I still have fun going up levels, getting cars, and having a general experience of Gran Turismo. To me, the worst part about GT is online, I don't like online. There's too many stuck up jerks and horrible drivers. I mean I was in a lobby yesterday, and the guys with mics were saying some incomprehensible stuff, but I kept hearing "GTP guy" a lot. I got so pissed I left. Online is the hardest place to have fun in GT5. Unless you do Seasonals or hang out in the OCD.

And also, I don't care about complaints on here, I'd just like it if people had a general idea of why. GT hasn't had Porsche because EA took the license. Same with the new Pagani Huayra. And with tracks, maybe they couldn't get modeled in time for GT5. PD has a lot of work to do, sometimes they have to make a compromise. And cars, I doubt applying physics to an 1886 Benz will do much, and it doesn't even do much for the game. And so on, forever and ever, but have knowledge when going into the warzone, people.

 

[IFLATLINEI]

Its the XP system dude, its unrealistic & inferior to the license system. its the lack of tracks in the game. If the game is good people will play it till a better game comes.I still play GT2&3 to this day cuz they rock. this one got stale quick. the physics are better for the premium cars and being able to play online is cool but thats the only edge this game has over previous titles.
I dont want a quick, breeze through kind of experience, i want a fun experience and no other racing game lives up to the GT franchise, and unfortunately for some of us, neither does GT5. all i want is a racing game as good as GT2&3 and ill play it for 20 yrs.

I guess thats the difference between those people and me. I dont need the game to create my experience. I need the game to give me the tools to create my own experience. GT5 Does that for the most part.

 

[buickgnx88]

GT5 is fun, yes. However the way they went about it is all wrong. People here have been saying how fun it is to just drive, which I agree to. What I don't agree to is the ridiculous XP requirements, coupled with an A-spec mode that is laughably short in events. It's like PD tried to make it be as slow as possible. Whether or not they used XP, there should be more events period. I don't find it fun racing the same events over and over to gain XP, I want to be able to race a whole slew of events with the large number of vehicles in the game and gain that same XP.

I'd say GT4 had the setup down perfectly. Numerous A-spec races using a variety of vehicles and types (individual races, championships, rally and snow races, one-make races, etc.), along with multiple prize vehicles and making you get licenses to move to the next level.

My issue with the low prize money also relates to the driving fun, in that with more money comes more vehicles that you want to drive. It is rewarded to grind a bunch and finally get that vehicle, but it comes at a cost of your sanity (while mine at least). With multiple races and more money, that win actually is great and you feel like you're making more progress faster.

Granted the fun is subjective for this game, depending on what you look for in it, but artificially lengthening that fun with grinding just creates tension and distrust.

 

[IFLATLINEI]

GT5 is fun, yes. However the way they went about it is all wrong. People here have been saying how fun it is to just drive, which I agree to. What I don't agree to is the ridiculous XP requirements, coupled with an A-spec mode that is laughably short in events. It's like PD tried to make it be as slow as possible. Whether or not they used XP, there should be more events period. I don't find it fun racing the same events over and over to gain XP, I want to be able to race a whole slew of events with the large number of vehicles in the game and gain that same XP.

I'd say GT4 had the setup down perfectly. Numerous A-spec races using a variety of vehicles and types (individual races, championships, rally and snow races, one-make races, etc.), along with multiple prize vehicles and making you get licenses to move to the next level.

My issue with the low prize money also relates to the driving fun, in that with more money comes more vehicles that you want to drive. It is rewarded to grind a bunch and finally get that vehicle, but it comes at a cost of your sanity (while mine at least). With multiple races and more money, that win actually is great and you feel like you're making more progress faster.

Granted the fun is subjective for this game, depending on what you look for in it, but artificially lengthening that fun with grinding just creates tension and distrust.

Are you the fastest and smoothest driver on every track or even just a handfull of tracks? Can you honestly say you mastered any of the 1000 cars in this game? If you can honestly say yes then maybe your right in your case. If not then thats the point of the game to practice/grind. Its not about the trophies, the experience, or another checkmark on your car list. Its about mastering the art of driving. If you purchased this game for Achievments to show off to your friends then you missed the point of the game.

 

[stadti]

First of all, GT5 is a good game, it's flawed, it s*cks compared to GT4, but never the less it's a good game.

We talk about this alot within the group I race with.

IMO this is a 5 year game. Take your time and have fun. Get better. I get great personal enjoyment out of being able with practice cut a laptime down another half second. Or wringing some extra perfomance out of a car.

To take your time and having fun there are way to litte tracks and events in the game. If you find a track you like and you absolutely enjoy driving then you can be sure you will get bored of it after about 1-2 weeks because you have driven every singe car which is competitive and allowed for at least a dozen times. However if you go round to another event with that track you can be sure the pay is too little so you will never get more cars to enjoy driving. So the basis for long gameplay is just not there.

I guess thats the difference between those people and me. I dont need the game to create my experience. I need the game to give me the tools to create my own experience. GT5 Does that for the most part.

Well you should more cleary define "for the most part". Because GT5 gives you the "tools" (=events??) and the cars.

Out of the dozens of tracks only a couple do pay, the rest is for arcarde or training. Out of the couple of tracks which do pay only very few pay well. And as most players do like to buy new cars and test them you'll try to stick to the well paying races. Out of those few who pay well you'll like even a smaller number of tracks. And to have fun and a racing experience you are stuck with very very few cars out of the >1000 which are featured. So you are stuck with nearly no paying tracks with a very small number of competitive cars.

So for me GT5 does feature the tools to create your own experience, but only in a very limited way, and not for the most part.

 

[IFLATLINEI]

First of all, GT5 is a good game, it's flawed, it s*cks compared to GT4, but never the less it's a good game.



To take your time and having fun there are way to litte tracks and events in the game. If you find a track you like and you absolutely enjoy driving then you can be sure you will get bored of it after about 1-2 weeks because you have driven every singe car which is competitive and allowed for at least a dozen times. However if you go round to another event with that track you can be sure the pay is too little so you will never get more cars to enjoy driving. So the basis for long gameplay is just not there.



Well you should more cleary define "for the most part". Because GT5 gives you the "tools" (=events??) and the cars.

Out of the dozens of tracks only a couple do pay, the rest is for arcarde or training. Out of the couple of tracks which do pay only very few pay well. And as most players do like to buy new cars and test them you'll try to stick to the well paying races. Out of those few who pay well you'll like even a smaller number of tracks. And to have fun and a racing experience you are stuck with very very few cars out of the >1000 which are featured. So you are stuck with nearly no paying tracks with a very small number of competitive cars.

So for me GT5 does feature the tools to create your own experience, but only in a very limited way, and not for the most part.

80+ tracks and or variations is too little? Is 1000 cars covering everything from a GoCart to the Red bull car to little as well. How about a stock 69 Camaro as opposed to a maxed out one? Or maybe even the 69 Camaro RM? You must be one hell of a racer if you can master all those cars and or variations of those cars on all those tracks or variations of.

Oh Wait a minute! You think the game ends once you put a trophy next to each event? What about online? Dont you hook up with people for events? Have you ever for fun run I dunno say Imprezas Vs. Evos at Laguna Seca for 50 laps where now your adding another dimension to the experience because of necessary pit stops? You keep making comments based off Offline play but thats only 1/4 of the game. The rest is up to you. You can go run a race just because you want to get faster. You dont need to win imaginary cash for every race. You seem too focused on only racing what earns you something else. Theres more to this game than that. The satisfaction of getting faster or mastering a car or track and taking that experience online with you and shoving down your buddies throat 👍. Thats the reward!! Who cares if the payout sucks.

The amount of credits you win shouldnt in anyway decide how much fun you had racing that event whether it be online or offline. While credits are nice for buying new cars you can still buy them faster than you can even be competent at driving them. Trophies in the grand scheme mean nothing and are superficial regardless of the game in question. Its the experience that counts. Also if you dont have a group of say 10-20 people to race with like I do much of what im saying means nothing to you. In that case I can only say PD didnt fail you. You failed you.

Th staying power of this game is there if you choose to see it. Then again if your not a true racer then it wont matter to you. I race because its fun. I race to win yes but I race with the guys to have fun and compete. Right now Im like a level 29 Aspec and 35 Bspec. I have 160 cars and its going to take me a long time to master them. And yes i will work my way through a good number of them.

 

[buickgnx88]

Are you the fastest and smoothest driver on every track or even just a handfull of tracks? Can you honestly say you mastered any of the 1000 cars in this game? If you can honestly say yes then maybe your right in your case. If not then thats the point of the game to practice/grind. Its not about the trophies, the experience, or another checkmark on your car list. Its about mastering the art of driving. If you purchased this game for Achievments to show off to your friends then you missed the point of the game.

Nope, I can say that I'm not the best, or even as good as many when it comes to this game. However, what I'm not saying is about grinding the race over and over to pass it, but rather over and over just to gain enough money or XP to continue on with the game. I don't mind "grinding" to pass or even gold a race, since I like trying to get that little bit of time difference.

 

[madwi]

Currently most people on this forum are complaining about why they're not getting money and how flawed GT5 is. Another bunch are exploiting loop holes to get more cash and XP. So whatever happened to playing Gran Turismo as it should be played, appreciating the Physics engine and the cars and how each and everyone has a different feel to it. Yes the reward system and AI are flawed as well as the events but GT is always about driving, lets do that instead of driving around in circles.

You know OP, I agree. It's impossible to please everyone, but I personally have found GT5 a pleasant experience. It may have its strong and weak points, but at the end of the day, I sure enjoyed racing via Aspec, bspec (when I dont have time to play myself) and online with friends. I spent $60 on this game and truth be told, it has provided me with way MORE than $60 worth of entertainment. When I go out with friends for a night on the town or a date, I easily spend 4x that amount. In MY eyes its a great way to kill some of my free time for cheap lol. The time I spend trying to better my "racing skills" and being a better at the game, its been very pleasurable. I Do wish Aspec had more stuff that I personally like, but to me that falls into the you cant please everyone category and I cant hold PD accountable to that.

 

[stadti]

80+ tracks and or variations is too little? Is 1000 cars covering everything from a GoCart to the Red bull car to little as well. How about a stock 69 Camaro as opposed to a maxed out one? Or maybe even the 69 Camaro RM? You must be one hell of a racer if you can master all those cars and or variations of those cars on all those tracks or variations of.

Oh Wait a minute! You think the game ends once you put a trophy next to each event? What about online? Dont you hook up with people for events? Have you ever for fun run I dunno say Imprezas Vs. Evos at Laguna Seca for 50 laps where now your adding another dimension to the experience because of necessary pit stops? You keep making comments based off Offline play but thats only 1/4 of the game. The rest is up to you. You can go run a race just because you want to get faster. You dont need to win imaginary cash for every race. You seem too focused on only racing what earns you something else. Theres more to this game than that. The satisfaction of getting faster or mastering a car or track and taking that experience online with you and shoving down your buddies throat 👍. Thats the reward!! Who cares if the payout sucks.

The amount of credits you win shouldnt in anyway decide how much fun you had racing that event whether it be online or offline. While credits are nice for buying new cars you can still buy them faster than you can even be competent at driving them. Trophies in the grand scheme mean nothing and are superficial regardless of the game in question. Its the experience that counts. Also if you dont have a group of say 10-20 people to race with like I do much of what im saying means nothing to you. In that case I can only say PD didnt fail you. You failed you.

Th staying power of this game is there if you choose to see it. Then again if your not a true racer then it wont matter to you. I race because its fun. I race to win yes but I race with the guys to have fun and compete. Right now Im like a level 29 Aspec and 35 Bspec. I have 160 cars and its going to take me a long time to master them. And yes i will work my way through a good number of them.

You should learn to read more carefully before you write something in reply. I wrote:" If you find a track you like and you absolutely enjoy driving then you can be sure you will get bored of it after about 1-2 weeks because you have driven every singe car which is competitive and allowed for at least a dozen times. "

Take the ring for example. I absolutely enjoy driving it, and for the last 3 weeks solely drove the ring. However at the moment I have about 270 cars, there are more than 1000 as you said. So I prefer grinding the ring to grinding Indy, because Indy is boring and the ring is fun for me. However there are only 3 ring races that decently pay. And with decently i mean more than 20k credits per race which is absurdly litte. 2 out of the 3 have as requirement german cars, or dtm, the other one cars around 350-410 kW. So in these 3 weeks I bought every german car I could find and every DTM and increased or decreased the power to make it competitive to the AI. Now I even master the yellowbird (I dare say the most hardest to drive car in the game) nearly flawless on the ring with driving aids of, because i repeated it so often. So what to do now? Drive the next track until it gets boring? repeat every race with every competitive car as often as possible?

As I said before, all the training mode + aracarde mode are a waste of time for me, because my goal is to collect all the cars. Until now I have 270 so there are a hell of them missing, and nearly all the 20 mill cars. So how should I get them? By playing the training mode? by doing the go card races for the 10th time? Or by the second part of the game i really enjoy, by doing rally races. Oh all of them don't pay, so no more cars to enjoy and having fun.

And for the online fun. Personally I like online play, never had a problem with it in other games. However in GT5 online play is just a bad joke (or I'm the unluckiest player concerning the people I'm playing with). 50% of the rooms are crowded with small kids who don't know how to drive, 45% of the rooms are crowded with racists who call me a n*zi because I'm from austria and kick me outright, and the remaining 5% are not worth the effort. So the online fun for me is absolute no fun.

Oh Wait a minute! You think the game ends once you put a trophy next to each event?

Can you please quote my post and highlight the part where I said that? Oh Waith a minute! I never said that. I personally don't give a **** about the trophys. If some people want the platinum trophy in every game it's there choice. I never played a game because of a virtual reward. And racing this game with a heavily underpowered car against this stupid AI and still winning by a margin of 5 seconds is no fun which is worth repeating.

 

[ninjasansan]

The game just felt rushed. Many things from the previous games are missing entirely, I think that was the big issue. If it was GT4 with shiner graphics + Bspec with fast forward, I honestly don't think that people would've had that much of a problem with it. Rather instead, in the 5 years we've waited for this game, we ended up with a game that has less races and events than GT3, with more cars than GT4 and no way to even get them unless we sat in front of the game for a conisderable amount of time because the reward system doesn't reward the input.

With that said, the game is still a blast whenever you're driving, but when you're trying to get that new car or even find the Group C LM car you want after grinding for hours..it's quite hard to swallow the game, especially since it seems like PD just artificially lengthened the game.

And the laughably small amount of championships (there was more in GT3 for god's sake) coupled with the small amount of cash rewarded per race makes this game very hard to bear, especially since even the endurance races offer little reward, as fun as some of them may be.

 

[TenEightyOne]

People expect a quicker resolution to a game's storyline nowadays. Those of us who are a little more 'old-school' are happy if it takes two years to complete something... many younger players aren't.

GT5 certainly hasn't lost any fun for me OR for the WLR's players. Check out the upcoming events if you want to find the fun again

 

[shinbone]

GT5 just is a chore for me to play at the moment. I get bored of running time trials with myself as the AI is 30 seconds behind. Make the AI competitive and the game will instantly become more fun. I think the main problem with gt5 though is the hype. Without all the hype most people would be happy with it. But the hype made gt5 seem like the greatest racing game that will ever exist, which it could never live up to.

 

[EddieExplosion]

I don't care about owning loads of cars or trying to level up to 40 as fast as possible and maybe this is why enjoy the game so much. I really don't have any complaints other than online matchmaking could be better.

Have never understood this term grinding. Race or don't race it's your choice. Most of the reasons people give for not enjoying the game seem to revolve around self made restrictions they have placed on themselves like collecting every car.

 

[NapalmSanctuary]

I guess thats the difference between those people and me. I dont need the game to create my experience. I need the game to give me the tools to create my own experience. GT5 Does that for the most part.

Definitely buying YOUR car and tuning it/making it a beast is one of the pinnacles of the GT experience. i agree with you 100% on that. one of my complaints about this GT compared to past GTs is the small number of tracks. the scenery and layouts get really redundant. i think the game would have been better off with fewer cars and more tracks(not variations). If they had put in a lot of the tracks from 2 & 3 that have only seen 1 or 2 games, it would have really thrown out some nostalgic hooks for a lot of people, the problem with a lot of the real world tracks is that the scenery is pretty similar for a lot of them. not that they shouldn't be in but they should have thrown in other tracks to break up the monotony.

Other than that, my only real complaint is the XP system cuz it detracts from the point of the game IMO, and the license tests feel dumbed down but since they don't really count there's no real point in doing and/or getting all golds. The license system used to separate the men from the boys, the XP system separates the boys from the men, and by that i mean a lot of those in my age group( I'm 33) don't have time for all that grinding to get to the cars and races that we might like. I get your point about making your own experience with the game but because of the XP system, it really limits my ability to do that especially compared to past GTs. My only option is either to XP grind to get it out of the way or to go through the game race by race getting all golds in the LTs and SEs at which point i still have to grind after level 25-30 to be done with it. bottom line, XP is a detraction from the gameplay and it limits me in my ability to make my own experience.

Thanks for being respectful in your previous response BTW.

 

[DA__dogg]

The most joy I get out of this game is racing online with some cool people I've met. I don't worry anymore about my a or b spec levels because when you race online they don't matter. I have all the cars I need or want so no need to grind endlessly anymore. This game is so much more fun when you are racing, not grinding imo lol.

 

[zedfonsie]

I like your additude about this situation, very calm:tup:

Anyways I'm at the point of lvl 40 in b spec and since people still use my drivers a LOT i'm making at least 3 million a day. I really at a point where I make more money then I spend. For people with money problems once you get atleast 90 remote racing friends with high lvl drivers the money never stops.

remote racing I think saved us from grinding all day and let us do more important things like racing with your friends.

 

[STIGGY_34]

All I want is QUALITY rather than QUANTITY get the small things right and alot of people will be happy

 

[KrazyM82]

The fun was lost for me at about lvl 23 a and b spec when I realized that I was going to get crap cars for the races I won. The only fun in this game is racing online against friends.

I've been at lvl 30 A spec and 36 B spec for a long time and see no point in progressing any further. The only real progression I see happening, is Shift2.