what Group B car is that?

[Famine]

in a list of group b cars on wikipedia

Please cite your sources in future.

 

[Dave A]

the toyota mr2 was a group s car like the lancia ecv(group s -max.300hp).they cancelled the group s before the competition started.i saw the f40 in a list of group b cars on wikipedia

Not the Toyota MR2 that I'm talking about. That one was a 600bhp group B car that was never actually raced.
http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/toyota.html

And I've just looked at Wikipedias Group B page, no mention of an F40.
There was no F40 rally car. Whoever may have typed that must have been confused. The F40 wasn't even around when Group B was cancelled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B

 

[KSaiyu]

Live4Speed has it right - the only link the F40 has with Group B is that the experience Ferrari had with the GTO Evolution (which WAS intended to go against the 959 in Group B racing) they partly put into the F40.

 

[Santo]

And I've just looked at Wikipedias Group B page, no mention of an F40. There was no F40 rally car. Whoever may have typed that must have been confused. The F40 wasn't even around when Group B was cancelled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B

The reason the F40 is on the Group B list is because the wiki is talking about group B in general. There was a group B class in the WEC series but was canceled along with the rally serries. Ferrari created this car to compete with the announced Jag XJ220 and porsche 961. Though the street car was officially out in 87, the actual car itself was around before the closing of group B and there were a few on the streets and on the track along with a concept being out a few years before.

 

[Scaff]

The reason the F40 is on the Group B list is because the wiki is talking about group B in general. There was a group B class in the WEC series but was canceled along with the rally serries. Ferrari created this car to compete with the announced Jag XJ220 and porsche 961. Though the street car was officially out in 87, the actual car itself was around before the closing of group B and there were a few on the streets and on the track along with a concept being out a few years before.

Group B ended in late 1986, at the time the car being developed for Ferrari for Group B racing was the Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione. This car was still in development when group B came to an end, with the last two 288 GTO Evoluzione's being used as development cars for the F40. These were not however F40's.

The F40 LM, designed for racing, did not have the first chassis completed until October 1988, around two years after the demise of group B.

The F40 was not around at the end of group B at all, the 288 GTO Evoluzione was and later became the development bed for the F40, but is was never an F40 (chassis number of the development cars were all 288 GTO Evo's).

To have even qualified for group B (rally or road) homolagation, Ferrari would have had to produced and sold 200 F40 road cars, as the first production car was not delivered until 1987 this would have been rather hard to achieve (being a year after group B actually ended). In contrast the full production run of 272 for the 288 GTO was completed by early 1986, before the group B ban came about.

The Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione was a group B car and would have raced as such had the series not been banned, the F40 was not. The F40 was built to late, and while it was homolgated for a range of race series in the guise of the F40 LM, it was never a group B car.



Sources:
http://www.qv500.com/ferrari288p1.php
http://www.qv500.com/ferrari288p2.php
http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p1.php
http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p2.php

Regards

Scaff

 

[Tornado]

The Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione was a group B car and would have raced as such had the series not been banned, the F40 was not. The F40 was built to late, and while it was homolgated for a range of race series in the guise of the F40 LM, it was never a group B car.

But this guy says you are wrong.


(I had to do it).



On a more serious not, while I am not disagreing with you, couldn't the development of the F40 be said to have paralelled the959, which was designed for Group B competition? May that be the cause of the misconception?

 

[Scaff]

But this guy says you are wrong.


(I had to do it).



On a more serious not, while I am not disagreing with you, couldn't the development of the F40 be said to have paralelled the959, which was designed for Group B competition? May that be the cause of the misconception?

Yeah but that guy's totally nuts

On the F40 development being a parallel to the 959, then yes certain similarities do exist, and its quite likely that had group B continued then the F40 would have been the homologation production car for a group B competition car. That may have been Ferrari's long term goal, on that we will almost certainly never know for sure. What we do know is that the only car Ferrari specifically developed for group B was the 288 GTO Evo, with the 288 GTO itself being produced to homologate the Evo for competition.

Regards

Scaff