What happened to DOWNFORCE and RACING HARDS????

[High On Speed]

WTF PD🤬🤬🤬🤬? Why are there cars that should have either adjustable downforce and or just A LOT more of it? Example: Lambo Diablo GT2 (Was a Pre- GT500 Prototype before Audi took over) and the Chaparral 2J (Had downforce adjustment in EVERY other GT). Neither have down force adjustment, yet both are purpose built race cars and should. Also is it just me or are Racing Hard tires ice skates? Everything I put them on drives worse (Less Grip) than street soft. Am I missing something? While I have not driver online yet, this just should not be. Any thoughts?

 

[NavyJoker]

WTF PD🤬🤬🤬🤬? Why are there cars that should have either adjustable downforce and or just A LOT more of it? Example: Lambo Diablo GT2 (Was a Pre- GT500 Prototype before Audi took over) and the Chaparral 2J (Had downforce adjustment in EVERY other GT). Neither have down force adjustment, yet both are purpose built race cars and should. Also is it just me or are Racing Hard tires ice skates? Everything I put them on drives worse (Less Grip) than street soft. Am I missing something? While I have not driver online yet, this just should not be. Any thoughts?

No it seemed like racing hard I was getting less grip or "driving worse" than sport soft. I haven't tested that theory much though.

 

[High On Speed]

No it seemed like racing hard I was getting less grip or "driving worse" than sport soft. I haven't tested that theory much though.

I just tried the GT2 with Sport Soft and not only are lap times faster but the vehicle slide/drift is MUCH more predictable. Also no crazy Zigzag Fish tail O-🤬 like I got with Race Hard.

 

[High On Speed]

Anyone else having this issue? Also still does not explain downforce issue. How can you charge 4,500,000Cr. ($32.14usd if I would have paid for credits since that is the value scale PD put on there game) for a RACE CAR that has no downforce, has historically had excellent handling and make it suck in every way but a straight line? Other than the standard.... PD Fu:censored:ed up again ... Will be on patch in September 2014 Version 6.4 I cant make any sense of it. (For those that are sarcastically challenged, YES that was Sarcasm. To my knowledge they are not working on patch 6.4 yet)

 

[Sydbom]

You have custom rims on?

More grip tires makes the cars turn in much better and that upsets the balance on some cars that are more prone to understeer

Could it be any of these?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

There is no wing on the 2J to adjust. PD used to use a generic downforce value on all the cars based on what class they were in, This has been changed to something more realistic in GT6

As for twitching cars oversteer and such, driving style and weight balance has a lot to do with this. MR cars and RR cars drive much differently than FF and FR cars

 

[High On Speed]

Anyone else having this issue? Also still does not explain downforce issue. How can you charge 4,500,000Cr. ($32.14usd if I would have paid for credits since that is the value scale PD put on there game) for a RACE CAR that has no downforce, has historically had excellent handling and make it suck in every way but a straight line? Other than the standard.... PD Fu:censored:ed up again ... Will be on patch in September 2014 Version 6.4 I cant make any sense of it. (For those that are sarcastically challenged, YES that was Sarcasm. To my knowledge they are not working on patch 6.4 yet)

Like the spacing on the revision there? Notice how much lower the yet is... LOL

 

[High On Speed]

You have custom rims on?

More grip tires makes the cars turn in much better and that upsets the balance on some cars that are more prone to understeer

Could it be any of these?

No I have the car as stock set up and Stock+Stage3 Turbo for fun... Hits 225mph on Apricot Hill.

There is no wing on the 2J to adjust. PD used to use a generic downforce value on all the cars based on what class they were in, This has been changed to something more realistic in GT6

As for twitching cars oversteer and such, driving style and weight balance has a lot to do with this. MR cars and RR cars drive much differently than FF and FR cars

Ok, so explain the Lambo GT2. It has a rear spoiler (Wing)

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Not all wings are adjustable but I haven't looked at that one yet, could be meant to be that way or could be a mistake

 

[High On Speed]

Also I understand turn in making a car that might have been balanced over steer, but same car coming out of a turn suddenly is flopping its ass end around where it is stable with Sport Soft. (BTW Has less turn in also, go figure)

 

[High On Speed]

The Diablo GT2 was being developed to race LeMans in 1999, when have you heard of a purpose built LaMans GT car with a fixed spoiler? Just checked and for both the Lambo GT2 and the 2J the downforce is fixed to 0 Front - 0 Rear. By contrast the Renault Sport Megane Trophy is fixed 50 Front and Variable 50 to 150 Rear. In addition the 2J was the first and only race proven "sucker" car.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I am curious now, haven't really paid much attention to the two tire types but am thinking that my laps were faster on RH than on SS, both drove fine from what I could tell. I will do some tests and see how they compare

 

[jlmcmillan1978]

I dunno about the tires thing, but the 2J has no wings to adjust, it uses ground effects! If it had adjustable down force in previous GT's then it was a mistake that PD has finally gotten around to correcting.

 

[High On Speed]

The Diablo GT2 was being developed to race LeMans in 1999, when have you heard of a purpose built LaMans GT car with a fixed spoiler? Just checked and for both the Lambo GT2 and the 2J the downforce is fixed to 0 Front - 0 Rear. By contrast the Renault Sport Megane Trophy is fixed 50 Front and Variable 50 to 150 Rear. In addition the 2J was the first and only race proven "sucker" car.

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[kolio]

I ran a 1:13.076 on Cote De Azure with my Formula GT in GT5, with Racing Hards in the seasonal event. I ran a 1:13.134 this morning in GT6. I will try it with sport softs and see if I can improve.

 

[High On Speed]

I ran a 1:13.076 on Cote De Azure with my Formula GT in GT5, with Racing Hards in the seasonal event. I ran a 1:13.134 this morning in GT6. I will try it with sport softs and see if I can improve.

Ok, also try it with a normal street car that doesnt have downforce. The only thing I can think of is Race Tires are for HIGH DF cars only now? Touring Cars and GT300 should be in Sport Soft?

 

[kolio]

Ok, also try it with a normal street car that doesnt have downforce. The only thing I can think of is Race Tires are for HIGH DF cars only now? Touring Cars and GT300 should be in Sport Soft?

I would consider them on Race compound. They come with racing hards on them already. A few smaller end race cars, or more street cars with aftermarket tuning come with a set of sport softs. Small end rally cars come with mediums and it keeps going down from there with steet cars. This is besides the point.

However, I do remember taking the C7 Vette for a spin at Nurb. All stock, with Racing Soft tires on them. Felt horrible, I liked it better with sports softs.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I'm not sure what you are seeing. I just ran the Diablo GT 2 laps at Willow, first on RH tires then 2 laps on SS tires. If anything I drove better on the second run after having 2 laps to get a feel for the car but it was definitely faster on the RH tires just as one would expect. Every corner the ghost line running RH tires pulled a bit farther ahead. The end result RH tires were 3 seconds faster than SS tires, same car, same track, same driver, same conditions.
Both types of tires felt fine on the car but there was noticeably less grip in the SS tires when trying to hang with the ghost set with RH tires.

I did see that there was no DF adjusment on the car, probably should be but I did not see any issue with the tires, nor have I on any car I have driven thus far

I have also ran the 3400S on the ring with SS and RH tires, and was about 20 seconds faster on RH. 67 Cougar on bathurst about 5 seconds faster on RH

 

[High On Speed]

I would consider them on Race compound. They come with racing hards on them already. A few smaller end race cars, or more street cars with aftermarket tuning come with a set of sport softs. Small end rally cars come with mediums and it keeps going down from there with steet cars. This is besides the point.

However, I do remember taking the C7 Vette for a spin at Nurb. All stock, with Racing Soft tires on them. Felt horrible, I liked it better with sports softs.

I'm not sure what you are seeing. I just ran the Diablo GT 2 laps at Willow, first on RH tires then 2 laps on SS tires. If anything I drove better on the second run after having 2 laps to get a feel for the car but it was definitely faster of the RH tires just as one would expect. Every corner the ghost line running RH tires pulled a bit farther ahead. The end result RH tires were 3 seconds faster than SS tires, same car, same track, same driver, same conditions.
Both types of tires felt fine on the car but there was noticeably less grip in the SS tires when trying to hang with the ghost set with RH tires.

I did see that there was no DF adjusment on the car, probably should be but I did not see any issue with the tires, nor have I on any car I have driven thus far

I have also ran the 3400S on the ring with SS and RH tires, and was about 20 seconds faster on RH. 67 Cougar on bathurst about 5 seconds faster on RH

Interesting, two people with conflicting feelings and two of us with conflicting results. Could it just be carrier mode? Requires more trials. Or could it be that if they come with Street tires keep them on street tires?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Well if it helps, I use a Fanatec Elite wheel with Club sport pedals and drive all sorts of different cars in several different games.

btw my experience with RS tires is of course they are faster than any of the other tires on any car but may not last very long if tire wear is enabled

 

[kolio]

I was in career mode with the sports softs and racing softs online. I use a G27. Also, the racing tires were faster! They just felt horrible, probably was meant for street tires with stock suspension.

 

[High On Speed]

I will have to see what happens when I get my wheel set up... (T500). Just have not gotten around to it yet and using a DS3

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I was in career mode with the sports softs and racing softs online. I use a G27. Also, the racing tires were faster! They just felt horrible, probably was meant for street tires with stock suspension.

My guess would be that it was the room settings. You really need to compare apples to apples to have a good idea what you are getting. In career mode in all but S events tire wear is off and I'm not sure but I would guess that the edge grip is not set to real either.

If you were online and tire wear was on and edge grip real it could very well seem like the racing tires had less grip especially if they were cold.

 

[TexasTyme214]

I think that the racing tires just have a steeper grip fall-off curver and lower maximum slip angles. And, in the case of the RH tires, they probably don't deform as much as the SS tires do. So, that could probably make the RH tires a lot less forgiving even though they're faster.

 

[VentureDenny]

My experience is that the RH tires have to heat up to have better grip. Every time I've tried test laps with RH the lap times would go down with each lap until the third lap. Sport soft tires are more consistent from the first lap. So my guess is that the Hard needs to warm up to give best grip. The Sport Soft will grip well from the first lap, but probably wear out much faster if tire wear is on. I can lap faster with 3rd lap (warmed up) RH than with SS, but the first lap on RH is a bit less than the first lap on SS.

Edit: I use a G25 wheel. Tire times differences found first at Apricot Hill.

 

[NurburgRay]

the racing hard tyres are only better then the sports softs when playing with a steering wheel i guess...
I dont like to drive with any car on any racing tyre with the DS3 simply because you can't be precise enough...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

WTF PD🤬🤬🤬🤬? Why are there cars that should have either adjustable downforce and or just A LOT more of it? Example: Lambo Diablo GT2 (Was a Pre- GT500 Prototype before Audi took over) and the Chaparral 2J (Had downforce adjustment in EVERY other GT). Neither have down force adjustment, yet both are purpose built race cars and should. Also is it just me or are Racing Hard tires ice skates? Everything I put them on drives worse (Less Grip) than street soft. Am I missing something? While I have not driver online yet, this just should not be. Any thoughts?

The Diablo GT2 has no downforce whatsoever, which is odd

 

[djslofstra]

I think that the racing tires just have a steeper grip fall-off curver and lower maximum slip angles. And, in the case of the RH tires, they probably don't deform as much as the SS tires do. So, that could probably make the RH tires a lot less forgiving even though they're faster.

You take the words out of my mouth, only better explained than I could have... My english isn't very good.
Indeed: The frontal grip of Racing tires is very strong but the sideways grip is very weak. If you are a proper driver, you will be able to drive much faster using RH tires. They are less predictable though because of their lack of side grip. They drive very well but when you put them over the limit, you will go sideways and you will probable end up spinning.
It is a very realistic tire model in my opinion...

The laptimes of the OP dude are probably slower becaus of:
-Driving too carefully to prefend the car from oversteer.
-Sometimes still a bit oversteer what he couldn't handle well

 

[eran0004]

Also I understand turn in making a car that might have been balanced over steer, but same car coming out of a turn suddenly is flopping its ass end around where it is stable with Sport Soft. (BTW Has less turn in also, go figure)

Racing tyres has a very sharp edge when they lose grip. They have good traction nearly all the way until they slip and that makes them tricky to drive with, as they give you a false sense of security. Sports tyres are more progressive and they let you know when you're approaching the danger zone.

The better grip of the racing tyres also means that when you slide with the rear, the front digs in and you end up with a rotation that's hard to correct. On sports tyres, the front is more happy to slide with the rear, so instead of a rotation you get a sideways motion, which is easier to handle.

So don't trust racing tyres, they don't tell you the whole truth. Go slower than they're telling you to and you'll end up with cleaner and faster lap times.

 

[phil_75]

Has anyone tried the Phoenix R8 GT3 on SS tyres?
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