What Is Your Favorite ''Classic'' Car?

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You know, there is something that has really bothered me about “Classic Cars” in GT4.

It’s not so much the cars them selves, it’s more of how the developers decided to divide them up.

It seems like anything that is from 1970 and earlier is considered “Classic”. At least as far as the events in the game are concerned.
The hand full of cars that were built between 1971 and 1979 are kind of in limbo. They don’t really fit in with the modern cars, and they don’t qualify for the classic league. Which is a shame because in my eyes, they could compete in the classic events very well.
Cars like the ’71 Nissan 240ZG, ’73 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R, ’73 BMW 2002 Turbo, ’76 VW Golf GTI and the ’74 Triumph Spitfire 1500 fit more in line with the Classic cars than they do the modern cars. More so than the Buick Special which is more of a resto-mod than an actual ’62 Special. (But that is a whole other issue that I have, and I won’t go into that.)

I know that it’s a personal gripe. But it just seems like these cars from the '70's should have been grouped into the classics.

Maybe they will make a GT-Classics some day that will focus more on the classic cars of history and they will be included. It could happen right?
 
Paragon, It's because to the Japanese, anything over 10yrs old is considered a classic due to their car crushing laws....that's why all the GT-R's and such end up Down Under before that happens!! :D

Here in my state, our road rules state that anything over 25yrs old can be considered a "classic" but then there's categories......veteran (25-50yr old cars) and vintage (50yrs+). So by that logic anything pre-1982 would make the cut of a classic car. :)

I know it doesn't feel right but yeah, some of those cars like the Datsun 1600 and Celica TA22 were very competitive in the WRC through the 70's and the others you stated (240Z, GT-R, 2002, Mk1 Golf, Spitfire) are all considered cult cars of their time in their respective parts of the world as well as worldwide. The Peugeot 205 GTi is another perfect example of cult classic car.

Mafs!!
 
Mercedes 300SL, Dodge Charger, Plymouth Cuda, and the Plymouth Superbird
 
C3 vette isn't too bad either. Shaguar E-Type is nice.. but I'd still take anything that has less than 3l of displacement instead of those. unless the c3 vette is a Stingray with L88 427 and a manual gearbox.. :drool:
 
Leonidae
C3 vette isn't too bad either. Shaguar E-Type is nice.. but I'd still take anything that has less than 3l of displacement instead of those. unless the c3 vette is a Stingray with L88 427 and a manual gearbox.. :drool:
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Why not? They were historically important cars, perfect for GT.

I'm actually disappointed that they're not here, those L88s.
 
Why do people keep picking old Japanese cars? They were never even remotely quick in real life, they're boxy and they got nothing on American Muscle- NOTHING.
 
But that's not enough to beat american cars I guess
 
DeltaTrain
Handling > Understeer
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They'res a reason they appear to handle better and guess what, it aint engineering capability, in fact it's engineering inability, they're going so slow that you don't notice how badly they actually handle, while a muscle car may approach a corner at 200km/hr then have all its power and torque to deal with mid corner not to mention traction, while the "classic" Japanese cars will approach the same corner at 100km/hr and then they can flaw it mid corner and they will slowly start to creep away out of the corner.
 
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Why do people keep picking old Japanese cars? They were never even remotely quick in real life, they're boxy and they got nothing on American Muscle- NOTHING.
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I don’t know. It appears that there were quite a few Muscle cars mentioned through out this thread.

I don’t know how everyone else feels about the American muscle cars, but I find them over kill for the majority of events that they can enter.
(Well at least in the events that are restricted by year that a car is manufactured in.) Kind of like taking a hand gun into a water gun fight.
The majority of the starting line ups in the “classic” events include cars that will have their doors blown off by even the lowest powered muscle car.

That’s not to say that I don’t own any or enjoy driving them. I think I have at least 4 in my garage, and I have used them in various events.

But given the choice between a Shelby GT350 and a Nissan Skyline GT-B to compete in something like the “1000 Miles” event, I would take the Skyline.
It’s more inline with what the A.I will be driving making the race closer and over all more exciting.

I guess it just comes down to how much of a challenge you want to give your self.
 
AC Cobra 427 S/C, Dodge Charger 440 R/T & Plymouth Cuda 440-6.
 
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They'res a reason they appear to handle better and guess what, it aint engineering capability, in fact it's engineering inability, they're going so slow that you don't notice how badly they actually handle, while a muscle car may approach a corner at 200km/hr then have all its power and torque to deal with mid corner not to mention traction, while the "classic" Japanese cars will approach the same corner at 100km/hr and then they can flaw it mid corner and they will slowly start to creep away out of the corner.
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Ummm, excuse me HoldenBoy. There were reasons I picked the Japanese cars (and small cars in general) over the American muscle, and most of them involved my teenage experiences with those cars. My Gemini was a 13sec car way back in 1994-95 based on the Isuzu Bellett GT-R's G161/1600cc motor....13sec 1/4s in those days for a street car literally molested everything that was available in the VR/VS Holden range by a minimum of 4 carlengths!! Not to mention I blew their doors off when it came to a run through the hills aswell because I could handle better.

My Toyota TA22 was a burnout car and a half using the standard 2T/1600cc motor which is what's available on GT4. Not to mention their prowess in the WRC back in the 70's against competition such as the BDA Escort. Same goes for the Datsun 1600. Which brings me to this point, how many rallies did the American muscle cars win again.....correction, how many AMERICAN cars in general have even gone well at a rally?? Zero.

And if you even look in our own backyard (Bathurst!!), you'll see that in the 60's, the #1 car until our own Ford Falcon GT's, Chargers & Monaro's came out was infact the Mini Cooper (alright, not Japanese but still a small car!!) because it could outhandle the American muscle left right and centre. These are all proven historical facts!!

I'm not belittling the American muscle, but you've got to realise that both sets of cars were built for different purposes. The American's loved NASCAR & Drag Racing and the Ford GT at Le Mans, and the Japanese were notorious for their cheap but effective rally cars due to their mass production regime and constant R&D during that period. I could keep going but this is enough of a novel to read. :)

Mafs!!
 
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Why do people keep picking old Japanese cars? They were never even remotely quick in real life, they're boxy and they got nothing on American Muscle- NOTHING.
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Well certainly it is because they have nice character, and were pretty good sports cars for their day, and so was the Amercan cars of those days as well. I am not so close minded as too hate cars because of their notionality. I like American, Japanese, and European cars there is good and bad in them all.
 
mafia_boy
Ummm, excuse me HoldenBoy. There were reasons I picked the Japanese cars (and small cars in general) over the American muscle, and most of them involved my teenage experiences with those cars. My Gemini was a 13sec car way back in 1994-95 based on the Isuzu Bellett GT-R's G161/1600cc motor....13sec 1/4s in those days for a street car literally molested everything that was available in the VR/VS Holden range by a minimum of 4 carlengths!! Not to mention I blew their doors off when it came to a run through the hills aswell because I could handle better.

My Toyota TA22 was a burnout car and a half using the standard 2T/1600cc motor which is what's available on GT4. Not to mention their prowess in the WRC back in the 70s against competition such as the BDA Escort. Same goes for the Datsun 1600. Which brings me to this point, how many rallies did the American muscle cars win again.....correction, how many AMERICAN cars in general have even gone well at a rally?? Zero.

And if you even look in our own backyard (Bathurst!!), you'll see that in the 60's, the #1 car until our own Ford Falcon GTs, Chargers & Monaros came out was in fact the Mini Cooper (alright, not Japanese but still a small car!!) because it could outhandle the American muscle left right and centre. These are all proven historical facts!!

I'm not belittling the American muscle, but you've got to realise that both sets of cars were built for different purposes. The American's loved NASCAR & Drag Racing and the Ford GT at Le Mans, and the Japanese were notorious for their cheap but effective rally cars due to their mass production regime and constant R&D during that period. I could keep going but this is enough of a novel to read. :)

Mafs!!
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But, thumb through the record book for the Monte Carlo rally, and you'll find that a Ford Falcon, while it did finish second in the 1964 Monte Carlo Rally, it was entered by an American team, and the Falcon was an American design, for production in Australia. Calling that Ford, even if more prominent in Europe, your own car, is heresy. The Americans conceived it first, as well as its tuning for the rally, because admittedly more were fitted with big-block engines for the drag strip, being a lightweight car.

Sure, they never won, but you should really think before stepping on the Americans, as indeed they did well in rallying, even if at the end they only had silverware to display.

I also believe that the Charger was an American design.
 
mafia_boy
Ummm, excuse me HoldenBoy. There were reasons I picked the Japanese cars (and small cars in general) over the American muscle, and most of them involved my teenage experiences with those cars. My Gemini was a 13sec car way back in 1994-95 based on the Isuzu Bellett GT-R's G161/1600cc motor....13sec 1/4s in those days for a street car literally molested everything that was available in the VR/VS Holden range by a minimum of 4 carlengths!! Not to mention I blew their doors off when it came to a run through the hills aswell because I could handle better.

My Toyota TA22 was a burnout car and a half using the standard 2T/1600cc motor which is what's available on GT4. Not to mention their prowess in the WRC back in the 70's against competition such as the BDA Escort. Same goes for the Datsun 1600. Which brings me to this point, how many rallies did the American muscle cars win again.....correction, how many AMERICAN cars in general have even gone well at a rally?? Zero.

And if you even look in our own backyard (Bathurst!!), you'll see that in the 60's, the #1 car until our own Ford Falcon GT's, Chargers & Monaro's came out was infact the Mini Cooper (alright, not Japanese but still a small car!!) because it could outhandle the American muscle left right and centre. These are all proven historical facts!!

I'm not belittling the American muscle, but you've got to realise that both sets of cars were built for different purposes. The American's loved NASCAR & Drag Racing and the Ford GT at Le Mans, and the Japanese were notorious for their cheap but effective rally cars due to their mass production regime and constant R&D during that period. I could keep going but this is enough of a novel to read. :)

Mafs!!
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I sure hope you are not implying that american cars back in the day could not handle well the Ford Gt40 3-time LeMans winner certainly had too of taken turns effectivly. Camaros, and corvettes were also good. In several races in the 70s IMSA with (GTU GTO classes ect) Camaros and Corvettes were very successful, for instance a Corvette being the first fastest qualifier in the 1972 Daytona Finale 250. I almost forgot to mention the Cheverolet Monza's in the 1976 Laguna Seca 100 miles powerd by 5.0L cheverolet V8's 2 of the 3 that entered were the fastest qualifiers and took a 1st and 3rd place finish.
 
On top of that, the Ford Galaxie was an American stock car that entered in European Trans-Am, and a source describes that "The Galaxies were winning as they pleased." All this while this series was at its peak in the Sixties!
 
mafia_boy
Ummm, excuse me HoldenBoy. There were reasons I picked the Japanese cars (and small cars in general) over the American muscle, and most of them involved my teenage experiences with those cars. My Gemini was a 13sec car way back in 1994-95 based on the Isuzu Bellett GT-R's G161/1600cc motor....13sec 1/4s in those days for a street car literally molested everything that was available in the VR/VS Holden range by a minimum of 4 carlengths!! Not to mention I blew their doors off when it came to a run through the hills aswell because I could handle better.

My Toyota TA22 was a burnout car and a half using the standard 2T/1600cc motor which is what's available on GT4. Not to mention their prowess in the WRC back in the 70's against competition such as the BDA Escort. Same goes for the Datsun 1600. Which brings me to this point, how many rallies did the American muscle cars win again.....correction, how many AMERICAN cars in general have even gone well at a rally?? Zero.

And if you even look in our own backyard (Bathurst!!), you'll see that in the 60's, the #1 car until our own Ford Falcon GT's, Chargers & Monaro's came out was infact the Mini Cooper (alright, not Japanese but still a small car!!) because it could outhandle the American muscle left right and centre. These are all proven historical facts!!

I'm not belittling the American muscle, but you've got to realise that both sets of cars were built for different purposes. The American's loved NASCAR & Drag Racing and the Ford GT at Le Mans, and the Japanese were notorious for their cheap but effective rally cars due to their mass production regime and constant R&D during that period. I could keep going but this is enough of a novel to read. :)

Mafs!!
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Hey, I don't want this to turn into a big argument, more a friendly discussion if we're allowed, so I will now have my input, the reason a Mini won at Bathurst was because back then Holden and Ford were still getting on their feet as far as sports cars are concerned in Australia, but did you also know that every single race a Monaro has ever entered at Bathurst (apart from the Biante Historic Touring cars) it has won, and Holden has had more wins than any other manufacturer at Bathurst, followed by Ford, by miles over Euro and Japanese cars, and as RJ has just mentioned, Ford Escort and Ford RS200 have done very well in rally, but cars are designed for bitumen. How many Japanese cars in history have ever won a 24hr race, or an entire series that they competed against American Muscle cars, I would guess very few if any, but hey let's use GT4 as an example, you go and find a Japanese car (classic) and modify it so it has as much power as an American Muscle car (if that's possible which I'm not sure if it is) and compare the handling of the two (no tuning of the settings) and no handling upgrades,only upgrades that increase horsepower.
As for your first cars, of course they were quicker with upgrades than a standard Holden or Ford.

As for the American Falcon, I think Australia just got the name didn't they and they were different cars? If not I think at least production stopped in America when it started in Oz, either way they're both Ford.
 
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Hey, I don't want this to turn into a big argument, more a friendly discussion if we're allowed, so I will now have my input, the reason a Mini won at Bathurst was because back then Holden and Ford were still getting on their feet as far as sports cars are concerned in Australia, but did you also know that every single race a Monaro has ever entered at Bathurst (apart from the Biante Historic Touring cars) it has won, and Holden has had more wins than any other manufacturer at Bathurst, followed by Ford, by miles over Euro and Japanese cars, and as RJ has just mentioned, Ford Escort and Ford RS200 have done very well in rally, but cars are designed for bitumen. How many Japanese cars in history have ever won a 24hr race, or an entire series that they competed against American Muscle cars, I would guess very few if any, but hey let's use GT4 as an example, you go and find a Japanese car (classic) and modify it so it has as much power as an American Muscle car (if that's possible which I'm not sure if it is) and compare the handling of the two (no tuning of the settings) and no handling upgrades,only upgrades that increase horsepower.
As for your first cars, of course they were quicker with upgrades than a standard Holden or Ford.

As for the American Falcon, I think Australia just got the name didn't they and they were different cars? If not I think at least production stopped in America when it started in Oz, either way they're both Ford.
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No argument....friendly debate. :).....continued through PM as I don't want this thread locked, it's a bloody ripper of choices of cars by everyone so far. :D Has had me taking a couple back for a spin (Chevelle SS 454 today!!.....see, I'm not biased!! :p).

Mafs!!
 
Yeeee Haw, Chevelle, and I also realised that the Mini would have beaten well established American cars, my mistake, but right.....PM.
 
I'm still going for all GM cars, but I drove a Galant the other day (1970 model) and I know someone who has one and it's kind of a wierd thing where it makes you laugh and make jokes about the bloke every time you see it, so Mitsubishi Galant '70.
 
There's only been one Japanese car to ever win the 24h of LeMans: The Mazda 787B.

I have nightmares about that '70 Galant. Something about a challenge called Shoguns of Insufficient Safety. Where we were stuck with full power, 200kg of full rearward ballast, and stock suspension/brakes. Oh, and S2 tires.

That was an EVIL handling car...

I re-recommend the '67 Cougar, and for a change of pace, the '68 110S (L10B) or the '67 110S (L10A).
 
Rotary Junkie
There's only been one Japanese car to ever win the 24h of LeMans: The Mazda 787B.

I have nightmares about that '70 Galant. Something about a challenge called Shoguns of Insufficient Safety. Where we were stuck with full power, 200kg of full rearward ballast, and stock suspension/brakes. Oh, and S2 tires.

That was an EVIL handling car...

I re-recommend the '67 Cougar, and for a change of pace, the '68 110S (L10B) or the '67 110S (L10A).
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Coincidence, I just bought one of them but I'm yet to drive (the oldskool Mazda) and you thought I rejected Japanese cars altogether, hah. Unfortunately because there are so many of them I have more of them than any other country I think.
 
It's fun but slow. Bolt up N1s while you're at it, S2s don't seem right for a 1960s car, too damn much grip.
 
Rotary Junkie
It's fun but slow. Bolt up N1s while you're at it, S2s don't seem right for a 1960s car, too damn much grip.
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What? R5 tyres you say,:sly: oh OK, I'm gonna fully mod it anyway and I just like driving cars.:)

PS- I just dropped the Galant low as it can go and put on little chrome rims, and I can see where the American styling is that it was meant to have, it almost looks like a mini Charger, wierd huh?
 
Can't sleep.

Damn orange Galant in my head.... NO!!!!
 
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