What shouldn't be in GT4.

[Syizm]

Gran Turismo is a simulation racing game. Think of it like this: Madden is the NFL Simulation, GT is the Racing Simulation. You don't see anything in Madden that shouldn't be there, like blood, helmets with spikes, naked cheerleaders, vampires, etc. That would be a different kind of game.

Likewise, don't expect to see the following in GT4, for it doesn't fit the genre:
-Nitrous Oxide
-Neon Kits
-Body kits (they may bring back the race package, though.)
-Hydraulics
-Trucks & SUVs

And here is why:
-Nitrous Oxide: Not only is this a cheap alternative to real horsepower (sure it produces HP and alot of torque, but it's not permanent, besides it's bad on engines.), but it's not involved in any kind of racing. GT, SCCA, COMMA, IHRA and NHRA do NOT allow the use of nitrous, though I'm not 100% sure on the HRA leagues. As a replacement for cheap HP, that IS permanent, they do allow for forced induction (Turbo and blowers.), which is prevalent in the Gran Turismo series. Don't count on ever seeing Nitrous in any of the GT games, unless some real racing series start to support it.

-Neon Kits. Come on kids, this is a racing game, now a show room.

-Body Kits. See above, though they might bring back the racing package w/ includes an aero-kit which allows you to adjust downforce. Don't count on being able to purchase "Super Venom Street Fighter Hibatachi Yogami Bodykits". Personally I always liked the racing kits included in GT1.

-Hydraulics. This isn't a pimpin' low rider or a show room game. Racing kids - remember, this is about racing.

-Trucks and SUVs. First of all SUVs are the most untrackworthy automobiles made. Some of them might be decently fast, but they're not sports cars, nor do they do good on a track. I don't care how "bling bling, look at my 20's" cool they are, they suck on the track. Trucks are pretty much the same. Lightnings are decent, as are some other smaller trucks, but they don't do well on road courses. This is a racing game - keep that in mind and don't hold your breath.


Some argue the point of NASCAR cars. They do compete in some good road course races, and they are REAL racecars. Now, wether or not I feel they belong is pointless. They do meet the criteria of a "race car". They're fast, loud and, when tuned properly, can cut a corner as well as any other. F1 cars were in GT3 becuase they represent the best of the best in circuit racing. They are the fastest automobiles in the world. Including an F1 car and not NASCAR may seem unfair, and in a way it is, just remember that F1 cars represent the utmost in circuit racing. On the other hand NASCARs, at best, on a road course, are no where near as potent as some of the lesser tuned JGTC cars.

Steve-o

 

[booyah]

Race Modified cars? no thanks. i cant the stand multi-tone paint jobs with huge stickers on a car.

It may be a racing sim but it also needs body kits, paint-jobs, to distinguish yourself from other racers. at least capcom, ea, and 3DO is listening.

 

[Syizm]

I don't know why they have multi colored paint jobs, but the stickers are required by most sponsors. It's like a moving billboard.

Steve-o

 

[HRT_Maloo]

I rekon the Cayenne and X5 should be eligible.
It would be more fun that an Alfa 156 or that bloody pointless (in the game that is) 260 hp fwd Acura.
Id rather have those SUVs in there instead of the Suzuki Alto and Daihatsu Move

 

[Solid Fro]

I think some people are getting "body kits" confused with "race modified". Race modification was in GT1 and were modeled after real life cars. Body kits are for people with bad taste.

Things, IMO, should not be in GT4:

Drag racing
SUVs
Milk trucks

 

[vat_man]

Much as I detest SUV's, I wouldn't mind seeing the Cayenne Turbo S and AMG ML55 in there.

 

[Larzzon]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
Body kits are for people with bad taste.

Umm...no

 

[Z E V]

Screwed up torque numbers should not be in GT4. One of the most enfuriating things in GT3 is not knowing how much torque your car has because it's listed in Kg/m labeled as lb/ft. I'm in america and if a car says it has 70lb/ft of torque you'd think it was a three cylinder car, not a tuned skyline.

 

[BigJamesGTI]

super venom street fighter hibatachi yogami bodykits !!!
u forgot to say with go faster stripes on !!!!
v funny !!

 

[Blackfish]

-Trucks and SUVs. First of all SUVs are the most untrackworthy automobiles made. Some of them might be decently fast, but they're not sports cars, nor do they do good on a track. I don't care how "bling bling, look at my 20's" cool they are, they suck on the track. Trucks are pretty much the same. Lightnings are decent, as are some other smaller trucks, but they don't do well on road courses. This is a racing game - keep that in mind and don't hold your breath.

You logic is pretty good throughout your post, but falters here, and I'll tell you why.

GT2 and 3 had cars that NO ONE should consider race worthy, including the Suzuki, the Vitz and other crappy little Asian Econo-boxes. I apologize, but todays Sportscar inspired SUV's (essentially BIG cars) are much more race worthy than any of these little Asain cars.

Porche Cayenne vs. Toyota Vitz....no contest.
Audi's new SUV or Lexus's Sporty SUV (forget the names) and Nissan Murano and others all are better (and more raceworthy) than many of the Japaneese cars included in GT3. The Ford Lighting too (as you mention) blows away many small cars. The new Dodge Hemi is another good example. The forthcoming Dodge Magnum V-8 (essentially a wagon) could be included here as well. Just check out Road and Tracks testing of the Lightning, where it put up stats better than almost EVERY car made in the 1970's (including my beloved must-be-in-GT4 muscle cars).

Oh yea, the Craftsman Truck racing series might disagree a bit about how good a truck can race too.

The fact is this. Gran Tourismo 4 was biased, plain and simple. Any game that includes a Toyota Vitz and Doesn't include A Dodge Intrpid R/T or a Ford Taurus SES or a Chevy Monte Carlo SS is obviously bisaed. Al three of these American cars are good solid strong race-possible cars (see Nascar, that uses all three).

That is also why race cars from every major non-us based league are represented but NASCAR isn't. It isn't an oversignt, it is bias, plain and simple.

While I don't neccessarily want to see trucks in GT4 either, the inclusion of some select car-like SUV's for rally and street racing is perfectly appropriate and would make many an American fan of GT quite happy. The PT cruiser IS a truck after all....

However, I will continue to agree that body kits, nitrous and neon lights call all stay for some other game.

As for paint, the only thing I want is to be able to re-paint my car into another color once I buy it. And cars should be available in every color, not just one. I hate red cars and I coudn't use the Mustang SVT in GT3 cause that red color just sucked. If I could have gotten it in black, it would have been my #1 or #2 car through the early game.

 

[booyah]

your crappy intrepid was in gt2. those 3 cars u mentioned can definetly haul groceries. they're also good for eating lots of gas and being obese.

 

[Blackfish]

your crappy intrepid was in gt2. those 3 cars u mentioned can definetly haul groceries. they're also good for eating lots of gas and being obese.

Well, we can tell you have definitely never driven one, or you would know otherwise. Sorry if my comments about the great Vitz hurt your feelings. I'm sure you like the Pink Vitz the most of all.

 

[Injected8706]

Originally posted by Blackfish
Well, we can tell you have definitely never driven one, or you would know otherwise. Sorry if my comments about the great Vitz hurt your feelings. I'm sure you like the Pink Vitz the most of all.

I'm with you Blackfish 👍

I would also like to see Pontiac in GT4.

And about you comment about GT3 being biased. I looked and the Japanese manufacturers have an average of just under 10 cars each. The rest of the non-Japanese manufacturers have anywhere from 1-5 cars max.

I would like to see aero-kits, which would allow you to adjust downforce, and then a customizable wing with many choices available, so your car can look different from others.

 

[booyah]

i wasnt talking bout the vitz. and yeah i drove one. its heavy and ugly. its just all i hear u talkin bout how crappy japanese cars are.

 

[Injected8706]

Originally posted by booyah
i wasnt talking bout the vitz. and yeah i drove one. its heavy and ugly. its just all i hear u talkin bout how crappy japanese cars are.

He didn't say that Japanese cars are crappy. He said that some of the Japanese cars in the game are not race worthy. That does not mean that all Japanese cars are crap.

 

[Nism0!]

Okay..... I wanted to say what is THE thing i'd like to see in GT4..... Dammage..... I don't talk about Visual dammage cause I know that it would take too much time and that the car makers wouldn't let PD destroy their cars.... But hey.... I'm wondering if they would care about dammage like Engine Blowout... Broken transmissions.... Broken Differentials.... all theses parts could worn out and break.... The exhaust system, turbos, intercoolers( they would break then the car would Overheat and blowout.... you Know......

I'd wish I'd be able to tell one of my friends that Last night I broke my transmission having fun while drifting... I'd probebly get Mad at first but i'd be so amazed by the ammount of attention to details.... anyways... I hope they'll get it for GT4....

See you online someday....

 

[Solid Fro]

Originally posted by Blackfish
The fact is this. Gran Tourismo 4 was biased, plain and simple. Any game that includes a Toyota Vitz and Doesn't include A Dodge Intrpid R/T or a Ford Taurus SES or a Chevy Monte Carlo SS is obviously bisaed. Al three of these American cars are good solid strong race-possible cars (see Nascar, that uses all three)...

blah blah blah...

First, let's spell GT correctly. GRAN TURISMO.

GT isn't biased towards anyone. You have to remember that Polyphony is a Japanese developer and GT is a Japanese game. You can't expect Polyphony to put in American or European cars in a Japanese game. They are doing us a service by including cars from other parts of the world. Just because the Intrepid, Taurus, and Monte Carlo have racing versions doesn't mean they should be in GT. IMO, the best American race cars are already included in GT. Your statement about GT being biased is null and void.

Originally posted by Blackfish
That is also why race cars from every major non-us based league are represented but NASCAR isn't. It isn't an oversignt, it is bias, plain and simple...

more blah blah blah...

What about FIA GT? How about V8 Supercars? Or maybe IRL? Oh geez, can't forget about CART either.

Since NASCAR is mostly ran on oval tracks, it would have no place in GT, since there is only one oval track in GT. Also, Electronic Arts has rights to any NASCAR video game and since there has been four NASCAR games since PS2 was release and many more on PC, I see no reason why stock cars should be in GT.

 

[CDailey]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
First, let's spell GT correctly. GRAN TURISMO.

GT isn't biased towards anyone. You have to remember that Polyphony is a Japanese developer and GT is a Japanese game. You can't expect Polyphony to put in American or European cars in a Japanese game. They are doing us a service by including cars from other parts of the world. Just because the Intrepid, Taurus, and Monte Carlo have racing versions doesn't mean they should be in GT. IMO, the best American race cars are already included in GT. Your statement about GT being biased is null and void.



What about FIA GT? How about V8 Supercars? Or maybe IRL? Oh geez, can't forget about CART either.

Since NASCAR is mostly ran on oval tracks, it would have no place in GT, since there is only one oval track in GT. Also, Electronic Arts has rights to any NASCAR video game and since there has been four NASCAR games since PS2 was release and many more on PC, I see no reason why stock cars should be in GT.

👍

 

[Hyperion]

NASCAR is gay, KTHX?!

 

[Blackfish]

First, let's spell GT correctly. GRAN TURISMO.

GT isn't biased towards anyone. You have to remember that Polyphony is a Japanese developer and GT is a Japanese game. You can't expect Polyphony to put in American or European cars in a Japanese game. They are doing us a service by including cars from other parts of the world. Just because the Intrepid, Taurus, and Monte Carlo have racing versions doesn't mean they should be in GT. IMO, the best American race cars are already included in GT. Your statement about GT being biased is null and void.

You know, the weakest argument against someone elses thoughts is to make fun of their spelling. I am sure you've never spelled anything incorrectly before, right? Right.

Also, I find your answer rather poorly thought out. Last I checked, the U.S. was one of the largest video game markets in the world, if not the largest. If GT was truly a "Japanese game" as you claim, then why is it sold in the U.S. at all?? You state that by offering this game, they are offering a "service", like it's a special gift that we in the U.S. should be thankful for being allowed to partake in?? Thats a laugh. Without the U.S. Market, Sony/PD would have alot more difficulty recouping the investment in the PS2 and GT series.

I'm sorry, but you will never convince me that a Toyota Vitz, Suzuki anything, Trueno and other small, weak, low-hp Japanese or Euro cars are somehow more "deserving" to be in a RACING game such a GT. Yes, the Vitz has it's fans, but so do the American full-size cars.

You don't see me asking for small American econo cars do you?? I want the large, powerful cars America is known for. While I understand that many of you Anti-American GT fans don't like it, there are many people beyond myself who would quite enjoy these cars in GT4.

What about FIA GT? How about V8 Supercars? Or maybe IRL? Oh geez, can't forget about CART either.

Since NASCAR is mostly ran on oval tracks, it would have no place in GT, since there is only one oval track in GT. Also, Electronic Arts has rights to any NASCAR video game and since there has been four NASCAR games since PS2 was release and many more on PC, I see no reason why stock cars should be in GT.

To be honest, I don't follow racing, NASCAR or otherwise. I follow street cars only, so your point is well taken, if it is accurate (I wouldn't know) However, a few points:

-NASCAR also runs on road courses, even though it is primarily an speedway race league.

-F1 also runs on a number of oval speedway-style courses (the Indy 500?) So they should be out too, right?

-There are two oval courses in GT3, the Super Speedway and the Test Track.

-While NASCAR specif cars would be great, I think many would be happy with NASCAR-like racing mods, similar to GT2. As far as I know, PD doesn't have the licence to do F! cars either, but somehow THEY made it into GT3.

-How many F1 games have been released for the PS2??? I think there are about 10 total, but I could be wrong. So again, do we kick out the F1 cars too??

It would seem your entire argument is biased against having equal representation for American cars in GT4. Which is fine, your opinion is yours to have and you are free to show that opinion here (especially if you are an American). But please don't try to disguise your own personal bias with some twisted logic that GT4 is a gift and we should be happy with what we get, even if that is 50 Lancers, 50 Miatas, 50 Imprezas and 50 Civics.

However, I relaize that my thoughts will not change your opinion in the slightest. That's fine. I suppose we will both have to "wait and see" what PD feels is the best to offer, and then either be happy or not with that final product. I think it is distinctly possible that GT4 will have enought cars in it to make everyone happy. I hope that is the case.

 

[Solid Fro]

Originally posted by Blackfish
You know, the weakest argument against someone elses thoughts is to make fun of their spelling. I am sure you've never spelled anything incorrectly before, right? Right.

You could of at least used spell check. Coming to a GT related site and not knowing how to spell Gran Turismo is a sign of lack of thought.

Originally posted by Blackfish
Also, I find your answer rather poorly thought out. Last I checked, the U.S. was one of the largest video game markets in the world, if not the largest. If GT was truly a "Japanese game" as you claim, then why is it sold in the U.S. at all??

Why is Metal Gear Solid sold in the U.S.? That's surley a Japanese game. What about Final Fantasy? Pokemon? Dance Dance Revolution? Of course! What about Ridge Racer? Ooooh, Tokyo Extreme Racer? Mobile Suit Gundam? Oh, I almost forgot about Resident Evil. I could go on, if you want me to...

The U.S. is the largest videogame market in the world. That is why those Japanese games, including GT are sold here. The same reason why U.S. games are sold in other parts of the world.

Originally posted by Blackfish
You state that by offering this game, they are offering a "service", like it's a special gift that we in the U.S. should be thankful for being allowed to partake in?? Thats a laugh. Without the U.S. Market, Sony/PD would have alot more difficulty recouping the investment in the PS2 and GT series.

No, Polyphony would have no problem in selling GT just in Japan. Last time I heard, the Japanese love it just as much as the rest of us do.

Originally posted by Blackfish
blah blah blah...

While I understand that many of you Anti-American GT fans don't like it, there are many people beyond myself who would quite enjoy these cars in GT4.]/quote]

Anti-American GT fans? That one is new. I sold off my first Integra Type-R in GT3 for a brand new Z06 and you're calling me "Anti-American"?

Originally posted by Blackfish
To be honest, I don't follow racing, NASCAR or otherwise. I follow street cars only...

Obviously, you know nothing about real racing.

Originally posted by Blackfish
F1 also runs on a number of oval speedway-style courses (the Indy 500?) So they should be out too, right?

F1 does not run the Indianapolis 500, IRL does.

Originally posted by Blackfish
It would seem your entire argument is biased against having equal representation for American cars in GT4. Which is fine, your opinion is yours to have and you are free to show that opinion here (especially if you are an American). But please don't try to disguise your own personal bias with some twisted logic that GT4 is a gift and we should be happy with what we get, even if that is 50 Lancers, 50 Miatas, 50 Imprezas and 50 Civics.

The first GT had plenty of American cars. Vipers, Corvettes, Cameros in GT1. Muscle cars, Mustang, GT-40, Focus, Taurus, Intrepid, and Cobra added in GT2. GT3 has most of those cars and GT4 will have even more, including the return of muscle cars. If you can't see the great variety of American cars already included in GT, then you are blind.

Your statements are clearly slanted towards a pro-american only GT. I'm sorry, but GT includes cars from all over the world and leans more to Japanese cars. Why? Because GT is a Japanese game! Stop the press, GT is a Japanese game!

GT already has the best American cars. The Vitz and Trueno are included in GT because they are used for racing and that is what GT is about. But, of course you know nothing about real racing.

 

[Blackfish]

Ok, I surrender. I'll be a good boy and fall weakly to your superior knowledge of racing (you genius you). Hope you feel better. Sorry to have bothered you. I now freely admit that I am a retard, as you claim, and I should just go away.

Oh, and your definitition of a Japaneese game is very interesting. I suppose any Japanese manufactured NFL game is then technically a Japanese game too, right. Cool, NFL Japan.

I would also like to point out that GT3, the most recent game, had about double the Japanese cars as that of the U.S. GT2 was closer to equal, unless of course you count the used cars, which then makes Japan have about twice the cars of the US. So I fail to see how "you can't see the great variety of American cars already included in GT, then you are blind." I suppose I am blind then, so no GT4 for me. Hard to play with no eyesight, eh?

I freely admitted my lack of knowledge of "real" racing. Honestly, I could give less of a **** about "real" racing. I have plenty of other hobbies to keep me happy and watching racing is not one of them. I am simply a guy from the states who liked US and UK cars and happens to play a racing video game, GT3. I like the Dodge Intrepid, I think it's a cool car and hope to drive it in GT4 (rather have the Dodge Charger R/T Concept actually). Sorry for having such a ****ty opinion. I am clearly a fool to think such things.

So consider my foolish ranting at an end. Your superiority over me in the realm of GT forum posters is now complete. I slink away to my fools den to cry silently to myself over why I have such crappy tastes in cars. boo hoo boo hoo hoo.......

Oh, andd I doo no ow too speel Grand Towerisimo jst finee, I jst doone boother to spelll chakk becuse I donnt fookng carre ann evvywone nows wat i ment. Sory. I jst tipe to fast I gess.

 

[Injected8706]

Originally posted by Blackfish
I would also like to point out that GT3, the most recent game, had about double the Japanese cars as that of the U.S. GT2 was closer to equal, unless of course you count the used cars, which then makes Japan have about twice the cars of the US. So I fail to see how "you can't see the great variety of American cars already included in GT, then you are blind." I suppose I am blind then, so no GT4 for me. Hard to play with no eyesight, eh?

There are way more than twice as many Japanese cars as American cars. And there are way more Japanese dealers too. There are probably more than 70 Japanese cars at the dealerships, and around 20 American cars at the dealerships... that almost 4X greater Japanese than American.

 

[Syizm]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
GT already has the best American cars. The Vitz and Trueno are included in GT because they are used for racing and that is what GT is about. But, of course you know nothing about real racing.

The Trueno is in this game because it's an awesome/classic car. My friend owns one. Even in today's market, they handle extremely well, and are up to speed with modern Corollas/Civics/Eclipses (except the turbos) and all the other "sport compact" cars. A very fun car to drive.

As for the Vitz - beats me. I know Tommy Kaira makes a spin-off of the Vitz. They're decently fast and handle pretty well in real life, though, from what I've read.

Steve-o

 

[wee_man]

Can someone just explain to me wot the differance is between the racing kit and normal body kit is. I thought there were the same?

 

[Mr Devil]

OMG!
Shut Tha **** up blackfish! Yur only spreading **** and u dont know n-e-thing bout REAL racing!

F1 Never ran and never will run on an oval
Cart and IRL and Nascar do...

Also quit complaining bout american cars not beiing in great numbers... WHO ****_ING CARES!!!

AMERICAN CARS ALWAYS BREAK DOWN ANYWAYS!!!!!
(****ing american cars )
And Japanese cars are so ****in good!
And about that anti american ****!
Thats just stupid and yur just lookin for a fight by saying that (like evry american(Stupid bush))

So i say shut up and go enjoy 500 laps of oval... iz all boring exept for tha crashes...(lolz)

 

[Mr Devil]

By the way...

BodyKit : Bolt on and ****.... Just for tha look.. barly changes anything too tha handling and areodinamics

RaceMods : Evry damm thing on the kit is ajustable... Has ALOT of effect on the car....

 

[Injected8706]

Originally posted by Mr Devil
AMERICAN CARS ALWAYS BREAK DOWN ANYWAYS!!!!!

Shows what you know

 

[askia47]

Originally posted by Injected8706


Shows what you know

Unfortunately he is right to an extent, Japanese and European cars DO have better quality than American cars.

Out of the top ten car companies with the best quality 9 of them are imports. Only Lincoln is in the one in the 10 that have OK quality...and their number 10.

 

[Blackfish]

Shut Tha **** up blackfish! Yur only spreading **** and u dont know n-e-thing bout REAL racing!

I know nothing about REAL racing (as opposed to that cool hobby Un-Real racing). This is a fact that I freely and continually admit. I suppose you are part of an IRL pit crew, or possibly a custom car builder, so again I tremble before your HUGE knowledge and experience in the racing world. My apologies (again) for my wanton use of OPINION.

By the way, how is that I get made fun of for my spelling and yet those who repsond write things like...

Tha.....Yur.....U...... n-e-thing..... iz.....

Hahahahahahahahaha...........damn, thats funny.

Also quit complaining bout american cars not beiing in great numbers... WHO ****_ING CARES!!!

Why, I do of course. I would think that would have been obvious. Seems others do to, as there are a large number of posts throughout this forum that decry the lack of American car representation in GT3.

shut up and go enjoy 500 laps of oval

Why I think I will go play GT3 right now and do just that! Or did you forget that there was an endurance race on an oval track in GT3? No one asked for all oval, or all NASCARcars. Some poeple simply want a NASCAR styled car or two to go along with their collection of 4,356,465 Lancer variations.

(****ing american cars )
And Japanese cars are so ****in good!
And about that anti american ****!
Thats just stupid and yur just lookin for a fight by saying that (like evry american(Stupid bush))

But this....this has to be the best one, hand down. No bias or anger in this comment right? Your opinion is neutral all the way across the board and you would NEVER be biased against American cars, right?

No hatred of America in these comments, right? I guess some people only like the United States when we're saving their ass from yet another megalomaniac dictator they themselves couldn't stop (or indeed, may have helped) or when we are giving you billions is humanitarian aid. Must suck to be the small dog on the block. Doesn't do much for the ego, eh?

It seems some poeple here take themselves way too seriously. In case some of you little children have forgotten, GT IS just a video game. Playing it does not make you Al Unser Jr or Mr. Goodwrench. So please, relax. Your brain will hurt less.

-Blackfish

"Best thing I ever did to a Japanese car.....hit one with my Ford at 50 mph. No question which "low-quality" vehicle was the better for that encounter..."