What usually happens to our GT collections when the next Gran Turismo comes out?

[Lightpilgrim]

Just curious how PD handles older Gran Turismo games once a new one comes out.

Let’s say Gran Turismo 8 is released at some point. Five, six, seven, maybe even ten years later, what happens to everything we’ve built in GT7? Our cars, liveries, collections, photos, replays, all that stuff.

The reason I’m asking is that this is one thing that always frustrates me about modern gaming. You can spend hundreds or thousands of hours building something, collecting cars, creating liveries, and yet in the end it feels like you don’t really own any of it.

Would be interested to hear from people who have been through previous Gran Turismo generations and know what Polyphony’s track record looks like.

 

[BKGlover]

Generally? It's the same as any other, you start from square 1 all over again. Cars, stats, and setups never really transfer, though paints did transfer from Sport to 7, and possibly online ratings did as well, but be ready to start over when 8 releases, that way if something does carry over it is a nice surprise.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Generally? It's the same as any other, you start from square 1 all over again. Cars, stats, and setups never really transfer, though paints did transfer from Sport to 7, and possibly online ratings did as well, but be ready to start over when 8 releases, that way if something does carry over it is a nice surprise.

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Jerome

 

[Famine]

They go into storage, to become Barn Finds for a Forza Horizon game.


In general, nothing happens to them. GT7 was a rare example where liveries and decals transferred from a previous game, and waaaay back in the day you could get a little headstart in GT4 if you had significant progress in a previous game - but it was just early licence completion and a little credits bump. MFGT also transfers 18 cars to GT7, but it's pretty much for that purpose only so not really a precedent-setter.

 

[Zenwarrior]

When GT8 comes, in a few years GT7 server will be taken down, just like GT Sport it could be made playable offline. As for the liveries of our cars, probably it will be reverted to original state after the server is taken down. We should be able to transfer our liveries and designs to the next game during transition period. As for the replays and photos, we probably can download them before the server is taken down.

 

[05XR8]

I think PD have answered this with making newly added cars available in their palette of colors quickly. I made a brief note February last year.

Okay, so:

• November 28, 2024 all four Mazda Roadster NA colors were available
• December 12, 2024 all colors for the BMW E30 M3 Sport Evolution and Ford Sierra RS 500 were available.
• January 2025 - nothing out of the ordinary, but I believe all colors but the violet have been available for the BMW M3 E36 in a short period since its addition(mainly due to the Day Light Savings glitch)
• February 4, 2024 multiple colours for the Pontiac Trans-Am and Plymouth Superbird are currently available

I guess like the engine swaps, PD may offer cars in multiple colors each month. Maybe?🤔

Not sure how this will work with Custom Race settings as those are saved online. An offline version would be cool for those that continue to play the older games, but I’d probably be playing the latest game anyway.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Generally? It's the same as any other, you start from square 1 all over again. Cars, stats, and setups never really transfer, though paints did transfer from Sport to 7, and possibly online ratings did as well, but be ready to start over when 8 releases, that way if something does carry over it is a nice surprise.

Sorry, I might have not been precise. I am not worried about the need to build all liveries again even thought I would love to transfer. I am more worried to loose access to all my GT7 content sometime in the future

 

[IngRobNy]

Sorry, I might have not been precise. I am not worried about the need to build all liveries again even thought I would love to transfer. I am more worried to loose access to all my GT7 content sometime in the future

Cars and credits you mean, that wouldn't be fun, not for me at least, earning credits and buying, tuning and customize cars is the most fun I can have in any GT game.
But I really hope all the stickers and liveries will be included in the next GT.

 

[PowerJunkie]

I think everyone is missing the point, and I hope I am understanding the question.... As the OP said, GT8 comes out, even go as far as GT9, what happens to all of the stored gameplay for the 'user'? Meaning, having I'm nostalgic feeling and want to play GT7 again because I had the coolest car I ever drove in that version..... will it be playable? Like for me, I still have all of my GT 1, 2 and 3 saves on memory card. I can fire up anyone of them and it is just like the day I last played it.
Will GT7 be like that?

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I think everyone is missing the point, and I hope I am understanding the question.... As the OP said, GT8 comes out, even go as far as GT9, what happens to all of the stored gameplay for the 'user'? Meaning, having I'm nostalgic feeling and want to play GT7 again because I had the coolest car I ever drove in that version..... will it be playable? Like for me, I still have all of my GT 1, 2 and 3 saves on memory card. I can fire up anyone of them and it is just like the day I last played it.
Will GT7 be like that?

Exact!

 

[Buckethead75]

I think everyone is missing the point, and I hope I am understanding the question.... As the OP said, GT8 comes out, even go as far as GT9, what happens to all of the stored gameplay for the 'user'? Meaning, having I'm nostalgic feeling and want to play GT7 again because I had the coolest car I ever drove in that version..... will it be playable? Like for me, I still have all of my GT 1, 2 and 3 saves on memory card. I can fire up anyone of them and it is just like the day I last played it.
Will GT7 be like that?

In the current state of the game, everything is stored online, and companies never keep unused data stored forever, so you would lose everything at some point. You would even lose complete access to the game.

But who knows, maybe before they stop supporting GT7 they will allow some kind of offline mode.

My guess is that such mode already exists (probably necessary for developpers) only not activated.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

In the current state of the game, everything is stored online, and companies never keep unused data stored forever, so you would lose everything at some point. You would even lose complete access to the game.

But who knows, maybe before they stop supporting GT7 they will allow some kind of offline mode.

My guess is that such mode already exists (probably necessary for developpers) only not activated.

This is what bothering me the most. Not owning what I pay for.

 

[i386]

Not owning what I pay for.

You paid for a digital or "analog" license to use a certain good. You do not own the "content" (the game/it's files/data), same as with movies/series/music that you buy/stream in digital form or in analog (vhs,dvd,bluray, 8mm or what ever format)...

 

[Lightpilgrim]

You paid for a digital or "analog" license to use a certain good. You do not own the "content" (the game/it's files/data), same as with movies/series/music that you buy/stream in digital form or in analog (vhs,dvd,bluray, 8mm or what ever format)...

Sure, so when I buy a blu-ray, I can watch it forever.

 

[i386]

Sure, so when I buy a blu-ray, I can watch it forever.

Nope. Every commercially distributed bluray is using digital rights management (DRM) to control playback (that's why every now and then the ps3 and newer systems with a bluray drive get updates). If a manufacturer releases a new update that contains blacklisted keys (for optical disc drives or bluray discs) you won't be able to watch "your" bluray if it's key is blacklisted ._.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Nope. Every commercially distributed bluray is using digital rights management (DRM) to control playback (that's why every now and then the ps3 and newer systems with a bluray drive get updates). If a manufacturer releases a new update that contains blacklisted keys (for optical disc drives or bluray discs) you won't be able to watch "your" bluray if it's key is blacklisted ._.

Ok, I am yet to encounter such case with over 70 blu rays that I have. That is why I have blurays and CDs instead of streaming platforms

 

[Lomic]

Nope. Every commercially distributed bluray is using digital rights management (DRM) to control playback (that's why every now and then the ps3 and newer systems with a bluray drive get updates). If a manufacturer releases a new update that contains blacklisted keys (for optical disc drives or bluray discs) you won't be able to watch "your" bluray if it's key is blacklisted ._.

what a wonderful world we live in 🤩

 

[i386]

Ok, I am yet to encounter such case with over 70 blu rays that I have.

So far I have seen just one bluray player (my dad's ) from 2008/2009 with the last firmware update from 2013 that can't play newer blurays anymore (but it's still a great cd player)

That is why I have blurays and CDs instead of streaming platforms

Same here My collection grew a lot bigger after disney+ entered and started to fragment the streaming market

Spoiler

 

[Famine]

Sure, so when I buy a blu-ray, I can watch it forever.

Not an apples-to-apples comparison, but as pointed out above also not really true.

We have only one precedent for an always-online Gran Turismo game at the end of its life: GT Sport. This was patched so that it was playable offline, preserving (almost) all of your car collection as it was.

It wasn't without issues: mileage store cars were a problem, and all custom liveries were reverted (they could be preserved by sharing and importing them into GT7). But for the most part you can still play GT Sport's "offline" portions today as you could when it was alive.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Not an apples-to-apples comparison, but as pointed out above also not really true.

We have only one precedent for an always-online Gran Turismo game at the end of its life: GT Sport. This was patched so that it was playable offline, preserving (almost) all of your car collection as it was.

It wasn't without issues: mileage store cars were a problem, and all custom liveries were reverted (they could be preserved by sharing and importing them into GT7). But for the most part you can still play GT Sport's "offline" portions today as you could when it was alive.

The argument of the player isnt really true though. You can put your BR on a BR pc drive and extract the movie to still have it and you own it so you have the right to have a digital copy of it. Sure it's a hassle but you do still own it. And you can keep the pc br drive up to date easely. I still have a VHS player that works so I doubt BR player gonna go extinct like that suddently.

As for the subject of the thread, I encourage you OP to read this : https://agenceurope.eu/en/bulletin/...olution-to-prevent-destruction-of-video-games

Atm it's not a given, but EU proved to be a pain in the ass of company like apple with USB-C so hopefully they can do it for video games too.

 

[Famine]

Sure it's a hassle but you do still own it.

You could also do [other things] and still "own" it - in the same way you could do [other things] and still "own" things you paid to watch on a streaming service - but you may not be able to play the BD itself for ever, per the original post, for the reasons stated...

... and it remains not strictly apples to apples, for the other reasons previously stated: the very processes that see games being constantly updated can see them terminated altogether, as with The Crew.

And it was essentially The Crew that caused the formation of Stop Killing Games, which resulted in the Stop Destroying Videogames petition to the EU mentioned in your link there.

The solution for GT Sport wasn't perfect, but you can still play with (most of) your garaged cars and make game progress (except online trophies, like GT5) - and it remains the only precedent in the always-online era of GT.

Edit: Weird thing to be upset by.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

I suppose that GT7 will get an offline patch before the servers are shut down. The reason I think so is the The Crew/The Crew 2 incident. I think there would be a huge ****storm if PD wouldn't do this, but ofc there's no guarantee and in the end it's the decision of PD, so we can only hope.

 

[rheinaoi]

Sorry, I might have not been precise. I am not worried about the need to build all liveries again even thought I would love to transfer. I am more worried to loose access to all my GT7 content sometime in the future

As others have mentioned, we should look to how GT Sport was handled when its servers were shut down for a hint at what GT7 will be at the end of its product life (thinking this way about a product that we paid for really bothers me...).

PD is less awful than the industry standard here, so at the very least, we should have access to the game and the cars we spent so much time grinding for. I suspect the game will be a diminished experience from what we have now. Liveries and tunes and car customization carrying over? I have no idea. And I am not optimistic.

I've put a lot of time into GT7, and eventually, I'll move on to GT8. I've put a lot of time into all the other GTs from GT3 onward. I don't revisit them often, but it bothers me that I may be able to revisit GT7 in a diminished state; at best.

It makes all the time I put in feel transitory. Like spending hours drawing with sand, and then someone sweeps it all away.

what a wonderful world we live in 🤩

If purchase is not ownership, then [OTHER THINGS]...

Anyway, billionaires (now trillionaires...), dystopian mega corps and the nations that suck up to them have been doing an absolutely splendid job of justifying their continued existence to us all.

 

[Famine]

PD ... less awful than the industry standard

Hell of company motto.

 

[Gerarghini]

Why else would the PS3 still be getting random updates? It's just to update the Blu-Ray player

But yeah, going from GT7 to 8 would probably be little more than livery/decal transferring (maybe Styles too dependent on whether all wheels follow into GT8) and maybe some free credits contingent on having a GT7 save--whether you get free stuff likely depends on where you are with GT7's completion, although since licenses are no longer mandatory, credits would maybe be all we get.

Honestly though, unless you're someone who really likes using the Mercedes-AMG F1 car or Fittipaldi VGT, I don't see a reason to continue playing Sport now that 7 is out and I'd guess that feeling would be the same when GT8 comes out. Maybe if we end up losing McLaren that'll be a reason, but who knows when GT8 will drop; PD like to kill off support really quickly--NFS 2015 still has its online servers up and running...for whatever that's worth yet PD killed off GT Sport like a year after GT7 released.

 

[regnar]

Nope. Every commercially distributed bluray is using digital rights management (DRM) to control playback (that's why every now and then the ps3 and newer systems with a bluray drive get updates). If a manufacturer releases a new update that contains blacklisted keys (for optical disc drives or bluray discs) you won't be able to watch "your" bluray if it's key is blacklisted ._.

That's not totally correct, only if the drives firmware has been updated can a disk license be revoked, blue-ray player are not required to be online to play discs and if the firmware not been updated, blue-ray disk can be played for years.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Did GTP run out of purple ink? It's a trip to see your posts in white text @Famine


Jerome

 

[Bloomed_]

Sorry, I might have not been precise. I am not worried about the need to build all liveries again even thought I would love to transfer. I am more worried to loose access to all my GT7 content sometime in the future

From my point of view, GT7 will follow the same treatment as GTSport. Work for 2-3 years after the release of a new GT and then it will get shutdown and get patched so that you can still play offline. You will get to keep your cars, credits, setups, replays, etc. Any online content such as scapes(published ones), Liverys and Decals, consider it gone, unfortunetly. But maybe we'll have the option to transfer our Liverys, at least.

 

[Lomic]

From my point of view

Well that's the hole point... of view. From what we saw in the past, there is no way to be sure how PD will manage GT7 end of life.

 

[Bloomed_]

Well that's the hole point... of view. From what we saw in the past, there is no way to be sure how PD will manage GT7 end of life.

Im pretty confident its going to receive the same treatment as GTSport but we can't know until the time comes...