What's with all the racism?

[kekke2000]

The reason GT added the country to the nicknames was probably not to start online wars against countries because people get punted of the track. The recent threads about (or should i say against) the spanish and the japanese drivers are quiet shocking. I've been playing against many japanese and spanish drivers and they've been driving very good and clean most of the time.

Remember that a country doesn't drive a car, but a person do. I can sit here in my living room racing very clean but while my neighbour is bashing around everyone. If you are angry with how a person drive you can message him directly on PSN and ask him why he drives like that instead of creating a thread on a big forum judging out a whole country.

I'd say it's ok to hate persons, because persons can make up their own decision.... countries can't.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Agreed. I've had plenty of trouble from drivers from some countries, but I've also found good honest drivers from the same countries.

 

[EvoS2i]

I don't see how making a thread like this could help at all haha

 

[Kryz11]

I did not notice any. And if two countries are bashing their cars together, I do not think it's racism. Every country has their so called FUN enemy, Lets say USA and France, One bashes on another, but in reality its not like they hate each other, its more for laughs and giggles.

 

[kekke2000]

I did not notice any. And if two countries are bashing their cars together, I do not think it's racism. Every country has their so called FUN enemy, Lets say USA and France, One bashes on another, but in reality its not like they hate each other, its more for laughs and giggles.

Mostly it is like that, I too sit in front of my TV and swear to different drivers, but starting a thread is one step too far.

 

[homeforsummer]

Agreed. I've had plenty of trouble from drivers from some countries, but I've also found good honest drivers from the same countries.

Ditto for me. I've got people on my friends list from Germany, Spain, the UK, France, Hungary, Ireland and more, but equally I've been hit by people from all those nationalities too! It's the person, not the country.

I don't see how making a thread like this could help at all haha

 

[Ardius]

Mostly it is like that, I too sit in front of my TV and swear to different drivers, but starting a thread is one step too far.

Like starting this one?

Anyone that is being racist is extremely stupid and has nothing better to do, its such a pointless and pathetic thing to do.
We don't need to discuss this really, it goes without saying that racism is wrong, you shouldn't need to tell anyone that it is.

I think better advice to people would be to stop generalising all the time. Yes, ok, its natural for people to generalise sometimes, but its almost never true to generalise any group of people.

 

[PSTC555]

Yes, it's the person behind the wheel not the nationality that makes them bad drivers. I wouldn't bother correlating nationalities and punting otherwise things would become complicated from then on.

 

[RedOak]

good thing there's no VoIP right now.... from past experience in Forza2 and Grid... too often i've raced with a grid dominated by US players, and whenever something bad happens, its always the "other country" that gets booted. I remember once being called a punter but i was first... so impossible for me to punt anyone... they ended up calling a ****ing Canadian and kicked me off the server through vote. Although that's only an example, i've seen it happen wayyyy too often.

I'm pretty sure GT5p is no different.

 

[Sphinx]

The recent threads about (or should i say against) the spanish and the japanese drivers are quiet shocking.

And that's why they were locked. I can understand making a thread about this subject if nothing was done about it, but it's clearly being dealt with, and therefore I personally see no reason why this thread should be here?

 

[RUMBLERIDER]

The reason GT added the country to the nicknames was probably not to start online wars against countries because people get punted of the track. The recent threads about (or should i say against) the spanish and the japanese drivers are quiet shocking. I've been playing against many japanese and spanish drivers and they've been driving very good and clean most of the time.

Remember that a country doesn't drive a car, but a person do. I can sit here in my living room racing very clean but while my neighbour is bashing around everyone. If you are angry with how a person drive you can message him directly on PSN and ask him why he drives like that instead of creating a thread on a big forum judging out a whole country.

I'd say it's ok to hate persons, because persons can make up their own decision.... countries can't.

I have had good & bad from all countries,i agree with your comments.

 

[Rusty*]

I believe this thread is for those wishing to express there opinion on the topic and to also be reassured that the rest of GTP is on the same page. Also if anyone from PD where to be viewing this thread we wan't to set it straight that GTP members and GTP itself does not under ANY conditions approve of or Condone Racism, in fact we abhore racism, as GTP is a Multi-Cultural Community, Brought together by a common interest that is our beloved Gran Turismo!👍
Far be it that PD take away the Country suffix that is attached to everyone's online ID, because that would be a major shame, as a result of a few comments that are uncalled for.
So this thread is to clarify to all that GTP is a Racism-free community and we respect all people as equal regardless of nationality or any curcumstances that can be classed as racism. Therfor I do believe this thread has a very important purpose.
Also Sphinx why is it that these threads that are in question still able to be viewed? Why Haven't they been removed???
I ask you seing as though you are an SM.

 

[Maffski]

I don't agree with prejudice of any kind, and strangely I usually find it easier to make friends with foreign dudes than Brits, however (and this surprised me being a very liberal left wing kinda guy) I have had proportionately more punting and so forth from some countries than others which shall remain nameless. I thought I was getting paranoid so kept a score sheet of what nationality was 'deliberatley' punting me and my concerns were confirmed... Also I have to say that I've had just as much grief from fellow Brits as other nationalities.... we aint squeaky clean you know and came in equal 3rd in my little punting league table.

Bottom line is expressing generalised opinions about any race is dodgy territory and should not be done in public, but everyone is entitled to an opinion even an offensive one, just so long as they keep it to themself.

 

[GT4 genius]

I dont think that any nation would 'punt' more than any other. I'm sure I've been hit more often by a person from a big country, but not because they are somehow rougher, just because there is more of them. I'd say very few of you have been hit by a person from Ireland, not because we are extremely nice and courtious people, which ofcourse we are! But because there is very few of us online.
As for your little league table of punter nations maffski, I'm sure you would find that more copies of GT5P would have been sold in the country that came first and therefore by the law of averages that country would have more punters.

So I dont believe any country is anymore rough than any other.

 

[Sphinx]

Also Sphinx why is it that these threads that are in question still able to be viewed???

I haven't spoken to the Mod who locked the thread, so this is only a guess, but maybe they have been left on show for the purpose similar to this:

if anyone from PD where to be viewing this thread we wan't to set it straight that GTP members and GTP itself does not under ANY conditions approve of or Condone Racism, in fact we abhore racism, as GTP is a Multi-Cultural Community, Brought together by a common interest that is our beloved Gran Turismo!👍

 

[Maffski]

You're dead right Genius, the league table is undoubtedly flawed in that regard.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I am not sure if you can call it racism, because racism is defined as being discrimative towards other person or group of people based on race.

I think it has some thing to do with socialogical and idealogical views. Each person from any country is going to have a different set of rules of how to govern themselves. I have found and experienced that each country has their share of punters. However, I also find that one country over another may have 'more' punters than another. For instance, the Spainards? [ES] if I am not mistaken has a lot more dirty drives than any other European country I've ever encountered. With that said, it may be a society as a whole to not care about others. People just think different in different countries. So, perhaps they just don't value clean racing or understand, like others do.

I agree with the notion that its not a country driving the car, it is a person. However, you can't rule out a secular understanding.

 

[Rusty*]

Ok thanks Sphinx .
I believe this thread sets a clear understanding of where GTP and its members stand on this topic.👍

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Racism is for small minded people who lack the capacity to hate all men equally

 

[Maffski]

lol thats a classic

 

[Stevisiov]

Racism is for small minded people who lack the capacity to hate all men equally

Thats nearly as good as your sig

 

[Nicksfix]

I believe this thread is for those wishing to express there opinion on the topic and to also be reassured that the rest of GTP is on the same page. Also if anyone from PD where to be viewing this thread we wan't to set it straight that GTP members and GTP itself does not under ANY conditions approve of or Condone Racism, in fact we abhore racism, as GTP is a Multi-Cultural Community, Brought together by a common interest that is our beloved Gran Turismo!👍
Far be it that PD take away the Country suffix that is attached to everyone's online ID, because that would be a major shame, as a result of a few comments that are uncalled for.
So this thread is to clarify to all that GTP is a Racism-free community and we respect all people as equal regardless of nationality or any curcumstances that can be classed as racism. Therfor I do believe this thread has a very important purpose.
Also Sphinx why is it that these threads that are in question still able to be viewed? Why Haven't they been removed???
I ask you seing as though you are an SM.

It does not get any more clear than that. 👍
If anything , my biggest issues come with the U.S. drivers.
Once while racing, I got pm'd by a Japanese driver after the race ( QUOTE ) : I pulled off of the track so I would not get in your way because you and your buddies are too fast me me to compete ( UN-QUOTE ).
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY DO AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT ?

 

[Sphinx]

Ok thanks Sphinx .
I believe this thread sets a clear understanding of where GTP and its members stand on this topic.👍

I believe there was already a clear understanding of where GTP and its members stand on this topic even before this thread was created. Hence the reason for me to question why we need this discussion. I'm still to be convinced.

 

[Pepsi0]

I don't take any notice of any of this racism. And why are we discussing it. It's best to ignore rather than start a new topic on it, right.

 

[Mr P]

Yep racism is a pretty strong term!.. someone simply mentioning which country appears to punt the most to their individual experience's is just that ... personal experience! even though every country has there punters we will see sometimes more punters from one location one day, and the next day it could change to another influx from another country and so on ... ?

I suppose we could call it raceism when discussing the OLR punter drivers code of ethics as there is certainly a large amount of drivers out there that follow a different set of rules / beliefs than we do on how to treat the opposition when playing GT5 online

Hey! ... did I just create a new ism then? ... probably not!

 

[Rusty*]

I believe there was already a clear understanding of where GTP and its members stand on this topic even before this thread was created. Hence the reason for me to question why we need this discussion. I'm still to be convinced.

Well after the creation of these Threads in question, Some few members have forgotten where GTP stands on this. It seems as though they need there memory jogged. Iam hoping this topic will do just that.

 

[crismedina83]

I don't take any notice of any of this racism. And why are we discussing it. It's best to ignore rather than start a new topic on it, right.

I'm with you!! We only have to keep the effort to be as clean as we can!!! A clean race is the one you can enjoy the best!! It is not a matter of countries, is a matter of education and sportive spirit(I don´t know if it's good english, sorry). Racing must be a sport of gentlemen!!(and women are included, just for the suspicious)!!

See you all at the tracks, with the cleanest and best driving we all can practice for sure, if we make a little effort!!

 

[uk86ze]

The Spaniards are dirty, The English keep punting and the Americans keep driving around in circles. How would those last words be race-ist, are they or are they not.

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

The Spaniards are dirty, The English keep punting and the Americans keep driving around in circles. How would those last words be race-ist, are they or are they not.

Thats just pre-judging a group... own opinion and something else ha... (cant remember...)

anyways I dispise racism (I wonder why <--- profile from where?)

I know that racism is for people who cant make up good insults for sure

 

[Smallhorses]

I believe that uk86ze was using those phrases as examples of the sort of things that have been posted here already and was asking "if they classed as racist?" despite the lack of a question mark, which would've made things clearer.

Lets clear this up. While saying something like, for example, "Americans are bad drivers" isn't necessarily a derogatory racist remark like using the "N"-word or "Japanese", it's still likely to be interpreted badly, and incitefully by the nation it's directed at.

Our Acceptable Use Policy is very clear about this:

You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harrass, threaten, nor attack anyone or any group. There will be no racially, sexually or physically abusive or inciteful language tolerated. Any abusive comments made by members will be removed by the Moderating staff and the user issued with a warning or banned, as deemed appropriate by the Moderating staff. No personal attacks on other members will be tolerated. If you question someone, it must be done in a reasonable and semi-friendly manner. Violating this rule will be grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the board.

Using racially derogatory terms is considered abusive and therefore unacceptable.
Using terms like the examples uk86ze used, is considered inciteful and therefore unacceptable, hence why threads which have been started & contained statements like that have been locked.

Technically, it's understood that the term "American", for example, covers a multitude of Races, and doesn't single out any one race, for example, "Caucasians" specifically, but it's nationalistically inciteful and that's unlikely to lead to civil discussion which is the purpose of GT Planet forums.