Whats your take...Nissan GT-R vs ZR1

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Which one will be faster around the ring?

  • Nissan GT-R

    Votes: 54 57.4%

  • Corvette ZR1

    Votes: 30 31.9%

  • Too close to call

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Don't Care

    Votes: 7 7.4%
  • Total voters
    94
Famine
I'm pretty sure the Brammo-built Atom is registered as a production car in the US - given the rate of manufacture (about 12 months to build a car), it wouldn't make any sense to register them as kit cars if the situation is as you describe it (and in any case they aren't kit cars - Atom owners get quite pissy about it if you refer to them as such). Manufacturers are now making their cars specifically to the most stringent production car regulations specifically to sell them in the world's largest car market...
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Im not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or what. The issue is not whether you can register a particular car at the local dept of motor vehicle. You can. We have established that. The issue here is what is a production car vis a vis the production car record at the ring. And how awesome the performance of the GTR and ZR1 are.

To whit; if the Ariel Atom was a regular production car, you wouldn't need a special thread detailing how to get it registered, would you?
A car i could just buy at any car dealership does not need special information to register it. The fact that they have to create a thread especially detailing the registration process throws your argument out the window that it is a "production car." If my local DMV considered it to be, they would just walk into the local office to register the car. Not have a super special thread where you have to know the secret handshake to get the goods.

Ergo, kit car. You can register a car as a kit car. Its perfectly legal. However, its for cars that are not considered production cars.

I'm done with reiterating the same point over and over again.
 
neanderthal
Im not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or what. The issue is not whether you can register a particular car at the local dept of motor vehicle. You can. We have established that. The issue here is what is a production car vis a vis the production car record at the ring.
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Yes - you want to exclude some cars which can be legally registered and driven on the road as production cars in their native countries and Germany, because the DMV in Burkina Faso say the front cross-section is 0.4 square millimetres too small.

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse - you have absolutely no reason to assume that a car like the Donkervoort D8 GT isn't a production car, but you've made up several so far.


I've pointed out to you that manufacturers are specifically building their vehicles with the most stringent specifications possible - which is usually the Californian ones - because by meeting these they can sell their cars through dealerships as production models in the largest vehicle-buying market on the planet. Your response is that "you can register anything as a kit car in california (as long as you get there early" and a thread on the Atom OC which says only which States have Atoms registered, so the Atom must be a kit car.

Even if (and I stress the "if", because your reasons are without logic or merit) it is true that some of the vehicles which top the production car timesheets at the 'Ring can't be road-registered as such in California, so what? They can still be registered as production cars in their country of origin. They can still be registered as production cars in Germany, where the 'Ring actually is. Why does California matter? Is it because you can pretend to use its regulations in order to front an irrelevant argument about what classes as a production car in the safety of your own skull?

And, lest we forget, the R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R couldn't be registered in California either. Is that not a production car?

neanderthal
And how awesome the performance of the GTR and ZR1 are.
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The ZR1 has what performance now?

Oh, and the last time either of us referred to the GT-R?

Famine
You might not like it, but these little cars are production cars which you can drive to the 'Ring and away again, having set an obscene laptime (if they'd let you time yourself, which they don't). Mind you, the fact the Nissan can come close with only twice the power hauling almost 4 times the weight is quite, quite extraordinary.
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yeah, california (the largest car market in the united states, which is coincidentally THE largest car market in the world) is burkina faso

:rolleyes

lest we forget, the R34 COULD be registered in california, if someone was willing to pay the cost of federalising it.

two can play at semantics
 
But then the R34 is a production car, anyway. I don't get what your point is. You're starting to argue against yourself.

What Famine is pointing out is, whether we like it or not, a Donkervoort or a Radical is a production car. And they are road legal. The record the big boys are fighting over is one that is merely a convenient one for them to hit. Maybe we can call it the conventional road car record, but in no way is it an actual "production" car record.

Hmmm... just looked it up. Apparently, the gauntlet has been thrown. The 911 GT2 has just done the ring in 7:32. Looks like everyone wants that "record".

But it's all a pissing contest really. Everybody wants bragging rights versus their competitors, and in no way are the Donkervoort or Radical competitors in this market.
 
neanderthal
lest we forget, the R34 COULD be registered in california, if someone was willing to pay the cost of federalising it.

two can play at semantics
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neanderthal
A car i could just buy at any car dealership does not need special information to register it.

If my local DMV considered it to be, they would just walk into the local office to register the car
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Does not compute. Paying to federalise a car car doesn't seem to be the same as walking into a dealership and buying a car. So if the R34 wasn't federalised in California, it's not a production car?
 
Lighter and more powerful, and faster?


What a surprise!


The only thing surprising is how well the GT-R performs for it's weight and power.
 
Perfect Balance

The only thing surprising is how well the GT-R performs for it's weight and power.
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I think the more surprising thing is how well both of them perform for the price, while not being kit cars, etc. etc. And both of them come from manufacturers that don't exclusively make sports cars.
 
Rotary Junkie
ZOMG IT ONLY WON BY A FEW SECONDS !!!!!!!!111one

IT WASN'T STOCK ANYWAY! IT HAD SAFETY EQUIPMENT ADDED!!!!!! SO IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!

/GT-R Fanbois. :rolleyes:
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You sound just like monaroCountry on UCP, FChat, & 6Speed.

Don't type that way ever again, please.
 
slidesquad#1
Does not compute. Paying to federalise a car car doesn't seem to be the same as walking into a dealership and buying a car. So if the R34 wasn't federalised in California, it's not a production car?
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And if Lithuania made it illegal to sell any car that isn't a hybrid... then there aren't any sports cars that would actually count, by this definition.

Which doesn't matter either way. You can (or could) buy a whole bunch of cars in the US which weren't "legal" in California. Federalizing also means that the car was not legal in the US simply because the manufacturer never bothered to spend the insane amount of money needed to crash a few of their cars to meet US safety standards. If safety and emission testing were globalized, this would save everyone a ton of money in testing, and countries would just pick what level of testing results would be "legal" in their local jurisdictions.

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Rotary Junkie
ZOMG IT ONLY WON BY A FEW SECONDS !!!!!!!!111one

IT WASN'T STOCK ANYWAY! IT HAD SAFETY EQUIPMENT ADDED!!!!!! SO IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!

/GT-R Fanbois. :rolleyes:
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ZOMG!!! The GTR sucks!!! ITS NOT FASTUR THAN THE ZR1!!! It ONLY WEIGHS 500 POUNDS MORE N HAZ 150 HP LESS, BUT AWD ADDS 400 HP AND MEENZ YUO DONT EVEN HAVE TO STEER!!! N IT WAS WERING CHEETER SLICKZ! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!

/GT-R Haterz. :rolleyes: :lol:

I thought this thread had a "no asshattery" tag, too... didn't it? :D

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I'm awaiting short track evaluations of the ZR1 versus the GT-R. Right now, it seems the Porsche GT2 is already the GT-R's master, and the new Viper ACR even faster still... the only issue is that the GT2's Nurb attack was unsuccessful. (But give it time, it'll happen.)

With the V-Spec and ZR1 coming out in the coming year (or years... who knows), the ludicrous "budget" hyper-performance market is seeing a strange boom... given this era of expensive gas... But then, we should be glad that these things even exist. Gives us something to drool over and watch on the net, since doing any "spirited driving" in real life now costs a whole bunch of dineros per mile.
 
so.. 30k more gets you 158hp, 170lbs/ft and 3 seconds over base GT-R. and that's when ZR-1 was driven all out ( the driver nearly lost it in few spots ). I think I can wait and see how V-Spec obliterates ZR-1 record. :D
 
I can't wait for a comparo on a short track by a truly capable driver of ZR1 vs V-Spec.
 
An impressive lap, an impressive car, no doubt. But I still believe the V-Spec will beat it, finding three seconds on that track with some 70 extra bhp and about a hundred less kilograms is by no means a hard task. It can probably be done on the three long full throttle sections alone, not to mention how much the weight loss and a sportier suspension setup help in the corners. The lap also pretty much voids all the "the GT-R lap doesn't count as it was driven by a Nissan man" complaints seeing that this one was driven by a GM engineer and agreed to be a valid time.
 
Greycap
An impressive lap, an impressive car, no doubt. But I still believe the V-Spec will beat it, finding three seconds on that track with some 70 extra bhp and about a hundred less kilograms is by no means a hard task. It can probably be done on the three long full throttle sections alone, not to mention how much the weight loss and a sportier suspension setup help in the corners. The lap also pretty much voids all the "the GT-R lap doesn't count as it was driven by a Nissan man" complaints seeing that this one was driven by a GM engineer and agreed to be a valid time.
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True, but their argument is that the statistics for the ZR1 make it sound like a car capable of 7:26, and that the numbers for the GT-R don't.
 
*McLaren*
True, but their argument is that the statistics for the ZR1 make it sound like a car capable of 7:26, and that the numbers for the GT-R don't.
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Granted, but then again, every review of the GT-R states that it's incredibly easy to drive at the limit, is very well planted and makes good use of it's electronic systems in terms of grip. So you would expect it to be significantly quicker than the figures suggest.
 
I honestly think we should wait and see if a V-Spec is made and what it entails before we speculate if it's going to be faster or not.

About the time though, congrats, another pointless time that shows nothing. 3 seconds on a track that is that big isn't all that much. Take both cars and run them again and you'll probably get a vastly different time. I'll care when someone takes them to Infineon Raceway or some other track that is like it in whatever country the tester's choose.

I'll stick with what I said several pages back, both are over-hyped cars that don't thrill me all that much. I'm slightly more impressed with the ZR-1 just because GM finally realised that can make a stupidly fast car that handles well, but it's still by no means something I'm gushing over. I'll just wait for the next big thing from Porsche that will come in and blow the doors off both cars and not look goofy in the process.
 
neanderthal
If you can register it as your car in places like Germany (good luck getting it past the TUV) then i take back everything i just said.
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What you mean like this German road registered Atom....

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...from here http://www.ariel-atom.de/....

or this one.....

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or this site full of German road registered Caterham's http://www.caterham-kempten.de/

So while Radical's range can't be legally registered for the road in Germany, two of the others most certainly can be. Its also worth noting (as Famine has already pointed out) that you can not buy an Atom in kit form (Caterham's can still be bought this way). So for 'ring purposes an Atom is a production car that can be bought and road registered in Germany.

Now I believe the clarification you may be looking for here is a volume production car, however that definition is not one being used here and for the purposes of the 'ring its a production car.


Regards

Scaff
 
Joey D
I'll just wait for the next big thing from Porsche that will come in and blow the doors off both cars and not look goofy in the process.
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I find that impossible.. since most Porsches are just stretched and smoothed Beetles with big engine.. :D
 
Nothing can look as bad as the GT-R does, it is honestly one of the ugliest sports cars I've seen. The ZR-1 is pretty bad as well as it looks like an over done Hot Wheels car.
 
Even as the "resident Corvette guy," I'll happily admit that the ZR1 is the worst-looking Corvette available. Its just a bit to overdone to be anywhere close to "right," and in the end, it just looks like a Z06 that had too many trips though the Year-One catalog.
 
Joey D
Nothing can look as bad as the GT-R does, it is honestly one of the ugliest sports cars I've seen. The ZR-1 is pretty bad as well as it looks like an over done Hot Wheels car.
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GTR........ZR1.......goofy? Not in my eyes. The WRX is goofy, but these cars are brilliant in every way IMO. I would take a GTR over an F430 for instance.
 
Joey D
Nothing can look as bad as the GT-R does, it is honestly one of the ugliest sports cars I've seen. The ZR-1 is pretty bad as well as it looks like an over done Hot Wheels car.
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I think the GT-R looks awesome. I just don't think it looks like the "next GT R."
 
I think the GT-R is probably one of the worst looking exotic cars on sale today, with maybe the exception of the Ferrari 612. It's just so stupid looking and doesn't make me go "wow" with the design. Granted this has nothing to do with the performance, which I can agree is respectable. I just wouldn't want to be caught dead in a GT-R.

And really when it comes down to it Ring times and performance numbers are worthless to me, if I'm going to buy a high end car it's going to be all about how it looks since you can only really do about 100mph and get away with it in the end.
 
Joey D
I think the GT-R is probably one of the worst looking exotic cars on sale today, with maybe the exception of the Ferrari 612. It's just so stupid looking and doesn't make me go "wow" with the design. Granted this has nothing to do with the performance, which I can agree is respectable. I just wouldn't want to be caught dead in a GT-R.

And really when it comes down to it Ring times and performance numbers are worthless to me, if I'm going to buy a high end car it's going to be all about how it looks since you can only really do about 100mph and get away with it in the end.
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Good point, if I was spending that kind of money I'd buy whatever I like the style of, not which one is faster.
 
And naturally I was talking about the exterior.. heck, if it would be up to me, it wouldn't have power steering, power windows or power/assisted anything..
 
Leonidae
And naturally I was talking about the exterior.. heck, if it would be up to me, it wouldn't have power steering, power windows or power/assisted anything..
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Isn't power steering better though?
 

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