Whats your take...Nissan GT-R vs ZR1

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Which one will be faster around the ring?

  • Nissan GT-R

    Votes: 54 57.4%

  • Corvette ZR1

    Votes: 30 31.9%

  • Too close to call

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Don't Care

    Votes: 7 7.4%
  • Total voters
    94
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Well GM has started to talk smack. They're claiming the ZR1 will be faster than the GT-R around the ring...My question is who will come on on top? And will the ZR1 be faster than the GT-R V-Spec?


I personally believe that the GT-R will be beat by a few tenths of a second but will come no where close to the GT-R V-spec.
 
I think the ZR-1 can do it: more power, lighter weight, and GM has been "Ringing" out their cars for awhile, now. I'll say this much, though: it's hard to beat ATTESSA-ETS, and the times should be close.

Like, Daytona Qualifying close.
 
I personally dont understand why "The Ring" has become the standard for lap time comparisons. Wouldn't a shorter track with less turns allowing more repetitions/laps give a more relative lap time comparison?

I dunno, it might just be me but all this talk about "such and such did under 7'30" on The 'Ring" seems a bit "fad-ish". When different people are driving different cars how can you compare, especially on such a large track?

Now that I've gotten that out of the way. I personally think the GT-R will still prevail over the ZR-1. Also, it isn't even the Vspec model they are testing so I would say the GT-R > ZR-1.
 
ZR-1 all the way. Lighter, more powerful.

It'll beat the GT-R with class, unless it doesn't have its bowtie on D:
 
Never liked the Chevrolet very much, and as a certain mod here put it very well, "Respect it? Yes. Desire it? No." It seems to follow the American ethos of just dropping more and more power into a car until it can go fast enough. I wasn't impressed by it in the videos I saw of it, and I don't like Corvettes to begin with. The GT-R has loads of good press from all nationalities, and seems to have proven itself to be a charismatic, extremely capable street and track machine for something that heavy.

As M-Spec put it, I can say for both cars. Respect? Yes. Desire? No.
 
GT-R. it can use all power it has efficiently which is proven by the way it has been beating the competition from the more traditional sportscar manufacturers.
 
Keeping in mind that american cars are sooooo overrated (except for a few, realy a few), like why do you need 6.0 Liters for crap cars that can't even take corners....

I'll definately would say the GT-R.....Don't even want to be found dead in that other thing on wheels..
 
CivicEj1
Keeping in mind that american cars are sooooo overrated (except for a few, realy a few), like why do you need 6.0 Liters for crap cars that can't even take corners....

I'll definately would say the GT-R.....Don't even want to be found dead in that other thing on wheels..
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While my vote is the same as yours, I highly disagree with your statement.
 
95GTIVR6
While my vote is the same as yours, I highly disagree with your statement.
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No really...considering my name (since it's a Honda, this would'nt be objective.... but compare the power to displacement ratio of any Japanese perfomance car like any Skyline GT-R or a NSX-R with a Chevy....I piss my pants. It would probably have something to do with the price of gas, since American's couldn't care less, or eitherway, they stick with nostalgics..

IMO, the only American car i would like to drive nowadays, just because of the looks, is the new Charger....that's a sick car.
 
The power to displacement ratio of a Lotus Elise is horrid, too. Does that make it a bad car? Not really...

The 06 Corvette is one of the cars that does live up to its hype. I wouldn't bet on the GT-R just yet, at least for the standard model. The V-Spec could take on the ZR1, who knows. Still, I like both cars, and judging your statements against the Corvette, I can only conclude you're desperately trying to find agruments against it because you don't want to like it.
 
CivicEj1
Keeping in mind that american cars are sooooo overrated (except for a few, realy a few), like why do you need 6.0 Liters for crap cars that can't even take corners....

I'll definately would say the GT-R.....Don't even want to be found dead in that other thing on wheels..
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Over rated? Let's pit a V6 Mustang VS your little Civic.
Drag race-Mustang
Circuit race-Mustang

American cars are every bit as capable as your POS ricer civics.

6.0L for power? Endurance. Torque. Power. 3 things MOST other world cars lack.

CivicEj1
No really...considering my name (since it's a Honda, this would'nt be objective.... but compare the power to displacement ratio of any Japanese perfomance car like any Skyline GT-R or a NSX-R with a Chevy....I piss my pants. It would probably have something to do with the price of gas, since American's couldn't care less, or eitherway, they stick with nostalgics..

IMO, the only American car i would like to drive nowadays, just because of the looks, is the new Charger....that's a sick car.
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Charger? Over all our other stuff? You do have some taste issues.

Power to displacement doesn't mean squat. Power at the wheel is all that matters, and how it's put down.
 
To me they are both over-hyped cars that are meh to me. I would wager the ZR-1 will be fast for the same reasons Jim said, lighter and more power typically means faster. I can respect both cars I suppose but I would be caught dead in either one of them since they look goofy and give off a whiff of cockiness about them.

If I wanted a fast track car I wouldn't look any further then a Lotus Exige or heck I'd even just take an Elise. The simplify and add lightness philosophy is the best one our there. But that's not what this topic is about so I'll leave it at that.

You don't need all this complicated crap to make a car run around like plasma coated cylinder walls or insane amounts of power. Both cars have lost touch with what a true driver really needs in a vehicle and for that I just can not like them....and they both look goofy as all get up.

**On the subject of American car v. Japanese cars...grow up seriously. Most Japanese cars are built in America, Civics come from Ohio. American cars come from all over as well, the new G8 in built in Australia and the Saturn line is mostly European. To have an allegiance to some company because of where they are based is dumb since most cars aren't made in the country their HQ is based in.
 
mustangGT90210
Over rated? Let's pit a V6 Mustang VS your little Civic.
Drag race-Mustang
Circuit race-Mustang

American cars are every bit as capable as your POS ricer civics.

6.0L for power? Endurance. Torque. Power. 3 things MOST other world cars lack.



Charger? Over all our other stuff? You do have some taste issues.

Power to displacement doesn't mean squat. Power at the wheel is all that matters, and how it's put down.
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Wooohh, YEAH! :cheers: Now I don't have to do the replying to the ricer boy.

I said ZR1, because the GT-R is already on the limit of understeer if anyone reads the unbiased reviews. The V-Spec is probably right on the limit doing that 7'25 lap, and the ZR1 has so many things helping it go faster it will own the GT-R. I wouldn't be surprised if the ZR1 got a 7'20 flat lap time.
 
nd 4 holden spd
Wooohh, YEAH! :cheers: Now I don't have to do the replying to the ricer boy.

I said ZR1, because the GT-R is already on the limit of understeer if anyone reads the unbiased reviews. The V-Spec is probably right on the limit doing that 7'25 lap, and the ZR1 has so many things helping it go faster it will own the GT-R. I wouldn't be surprised if the ZR1 got a 7'20 flat lap time.
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I'd be surprised at that. I'm bettin' the ZR-1 pulls 7'25-7'26.
 
It'll go around 7'30, only because they don't do laps on cut-slicks. With proper tires, 7'25". Maybe.
 
nd 4 holden spd
I said ZR1, because the GT-R is already on the limit of understeer if anyone reads the unbiased reviews.
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Are you kidding me? Are you saying every magazine review out there that has ranked the production GT-R on top of both 997TT and Z06 are somehow biased? I laughed myself when I looked at the newsstands a few weeks ago and every car mag was covershotted with the GT-R proclaiming it "German Slaughterfest!" and not waiting 'til the end of the article to reveal the Nissan's prowess. Even mags like evo who have given top honors to Porsche at their Car of the Year comparisons more years than you have fingers to count said the GT-R outevo's Zuffenhausen's best. This is coming from a magazine that honors driver involvement and the thrill of driving more than any other category, and they still placed the GT-R on top despite its nannying electronic aids, which seem to be its greatest flaw.

Yes, there are many biased reviews that rate the GT-R above revolutionary, but take a look at every other review and it is still nothing short of extraordinary. The ZR-1 does step up the level of the Z06 which was frequently benched in favor of the GT-R, but you can't say anything until there has been widespread review like the GT-R has received.

You simply can't bring popular perception into the equation when it hasn't been seen for both cars. Right now you're just pouting your own bias.
 
If the GT-R is pretty much on par with the "Normal" Corvette, why wouldn't you think the faster ZR-1 wouldn't beat it?
 
The "normal" Corvette can't shake a stick at what the "normal" GT-R can do. Certainly, the Z51 comes as a good benchmark against other cars, particularly with a $45K price tag, but its the Z06 that has more in common with the GT-R in performance terms. At least at the Z06 level, for the average driver, the GT-R gets a bit of a leg-up due to "Jarvis" being able to pilot the car correctly while the Corvette does it the "natural" (and "right" if you ask me) way... But in proper hands, the Z06 will hold its own, and at least in the US, they are the two most high-performance cars you can get for $70K, and they're both an absolute steal....

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To get on topic:

To stack up the ZR1 against the GT-R, its pretty much a no-questions win for the ZR1. The higher power, lower weight, and wormhole-generating top-speed will likely spell victory for the Corvette in any situation in which a straight would be involved. I'm interested to see what exactly Stabilitrak and Magnaride can do together on the ZR1, and if it is to build on where the Z06 was, the sky really is the limit I suppose.

If the engineers are claiming the 7'20 range, a safe bet is 7'25... Where the rumored GT-R V-Spec is hanging out. No worries though, they are worthy adversaries, and will both start in the $100K neighborhood.

...Well, in the US anyway...
 
A better match would be ZR1 vs. GT-R V-Spec.

V-Spec just kicked in yo!
 
This one is tough for me. Most of you know I'm not a Nürburgring guy, especially not the massive Nordschleife. What I've done is envision how a session would go between a ZR-1 and a GT-R by using only the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

*** The GT-R. *** The GT-R would have a sizable advantage with 4WD and its lovely top speed. It would be able to accelerate quite well, get up to its top speed in the longer sections, have spot-on handling through a lot of the corners, and still manage to crank out good lap times despite its almost 3,900 lb. weight. Please note that I didn't go into any detail talking about technology or any high-tech stuff for the GT-R.

*** The ZR1. *** The ZR1 is going to be a lighter car with RWD and that demonic engine. I would imagine that a fairly good front/RWD car is usually going to outperform a fairly good front/4WD car. I can see the ZR1 having the ability to power out of corners a bit better than the GT-R. A big advantage for the Corvette would be the front/RWD layout, as you're able to have a good amount of oversteer to power out of corners for aggressive racers. I think the Corvette would probably have better lap times thanks to the power it makes as well as the cornering abilities. And I'm sure the ZR1 would have a fun time blasting down the long stretch of road after Galgenkopf (what I call the easiest part of the track). Only question here is if the ZR1 reaches its top speed too quickly down the long Döttingher Höhe straight.


Who I Would Pick to Win...
Remember I told you this is going to be a tough decision? Part of me wants to pick the GT-R. The other part wants me to take the ZR1. So in a tough call... I'd take the GT-R, only slightly. The ZR1 would be better in places than the GT-R, but I somehow think the GT-R is somewhat a better all-arounder. And I didn't get the memo saying "never give Japanese sportscars any chance," since I have to be obligated to never pick a Japanese sports car over anything non-Japanese. I would pick the GT-R even if you got The Stig to drive both cars around the Nürburgring Nordschleife (while also listening to self-help CDs or How to Speak Spanish CD programs). I think the GT-R would probably post better lap times despite its weight, but the ZR1 will do better in parts of the course than the GT-R. Still fall a little short. I'm not overrating either car here. I'm just saying that the GT-R could beat the ZR1 without going to any real extremes. A "fanboy" would pick the GT-R to win in a blowout without much logic.

So there's my pick- the GT-R... only slightly.
 
To be honest I am sick of the American approach to making a car. GM is the biggest offender in my book. Pushrods and mono leaf suspension should have been left in the 80's. And when they want to make a car fast they focus on power and not suspension or making the car lighter or coming out with new technology's to help improve the car. The japanese have it down right. Take a small engine and make it as efficient as possible. Light weight and medium power is a much better combo then high power and heavy. I know that the american cars are getting some what better at this but its just to late for me. If you where to offer me a Corvette for free, yes I would take it but I would turn around and sell it and build something japanese and rear wheel drive (like an S Chassis) So as you can now tell I don't like GM and with that I don't think I need to tell you how I pick.


















In case you are just dumb I pick the GTR over any corvette any day.
 
@ John

Completely reasonable and well-thought, I can completely appreciate your reasoning!

I think you have made a great point though, the track is likely going to determine how well each car performs, and as for the 'Ring being the best measurement for either car, that is a tough call. Any track that lets the legs stretch a bit is going to give favor to the Corvette almost immediately, however, anything that is a bit more tight/technical may end up going towards the GT-R due to the ability to lunge ahead up to 100 MPH at insane speeds...

It will be a battle royale, but given the relative similarities already between the GT-R and the Z06, furthermore what the ZR1 adds to it, it seems more likely that the ZR1 will take the highest podium position. However, that doesn't mean its easier to do (my guess is that any jerk in a GT-R could do quite well), but I'd certainly assert that it would be more "fun" in the process.

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Diablo, this is neither the time nor the place to discuss pushrods and the leaf-spring setup in the Corvette. They are proven bits of technology that have worked outstandingly well, like it or not, and is questionable to the utmost degree if any changes would make the Corvette that much better. Even with its "out of date" technology, its still out-gunning cars that cost three or four times as much, and if you don't like our ass-backwards engineering, its easier to just state it as such. But to condemn it completely despite the proven effectiveness of it all, that is indeed backwards in itself.

Have no fear though, the C7 likely addresses many of these issues. The car is due to get smaller, and may in fact switch to a four-link setup out back. As for ditching pushrods, thats a case of nevergonnahappen.com all over again. Its what GM does best, and if there isn't any reason to change it, they won't. I'd bet we'll see the basic innards of the small block return with a displacement somewhere around 5.0-5.3L, direct-injection and cylinder deactivation shooting in the 400 BHP range. Give or take...

But thats still four years away.

Until then, you can get the fastest sports car made available for less than $50K with a 5 year warranty and nearly 30 MPG on the highway, or, well, you can choose not to.
 
exigeracer
Are you kidding me? Are you saying every magazine review out there that has ranked the production GT-R on top of both 997TT and Z06 are somehow biased? I laughed myself when I looked at the newsstands a few weeks ago and every car mag was covershotted with the GT-R proclaiming it "German Slaughterfest!" and not waiting 'til the end of the article to reveal the Nissan's prowess. Even mags like evo who have given top honors to Porsche at their Car of the Year comparisons more years than you have fingers to count said the GT-R outevo's Zuffenhausen's best. This is coming from a magazine that honors driver involvement and the thrill of driving more than any other category, and they still placed the GT-R on top despite its nannying electronic aids, which seem to be its greatest flaw.

Yes, there are many biased reviews that rate the GT-R above revolutionary, but take a look at every other review and it is still nothing short of extraordinary. The ZR-1 does step up the level of the Z06 which was frequently benched in favor of the GT-R, but you can't say anything until there has been widespread review like the GT-R has received.

You simply can't bring popular perception into the equation when it hasn't been seen for both cars. Right now you're just pouting your own bias.
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I think you misinterpreted what I meant. Reviews have said that at higher speeds (Nurburg has lots of that BTW) the GT-R understeers a bit. Add more power and that understeer increases, it's the nature of AWD. Corvette on the other hand loses at the moment only because it has trouble putting the power down. Wider tyres and softer (depending on setting chosen) MRC suspension will help the Corvette overcome that issue.

Diablomonkey
To be honest I am sick of the American approach to making a car. GM is the biggest offender in my book. Pushrods and mono leaf suspension should have been left in the 80's. And when they want to make a car fast they focus on power and not suspension or making the car lighter or coming out with new technology's to help improve the car. The japanese have it down right. Take a small engine and make it as efficient as possible. Light weight and medium power is a much better combo then high power and heavy. I know that the american cars are getting some what better at this but its just to late for me. If you where to offer me a Corvette for free, yes I would take it but I would turn around and sell it and build something japanese and rear wheel drive (like an S Chassis) So as you can now tell I don't like GM and with that I don't think I need to tell you how I pick.


















In case you are just dumb I pick the GTR over any corvette any day.
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Are you serious? The ZR1 will have more upgrades suspension, tyre, and brake wise than V-Spec will poke a finger at. If anything Nissan is the one taking your so called "American" approach this time and Chevy is taking your so called "Japanese" approach.
 
How many of you would go to the level of saying that both cars could be just about even, even if both cars were better at certain areas of expertise?
 
okay, let's put both cars advantages here..

1.) Top speed: - ZR1 is governed to do 210mph AFAIK. GT-R ( non-v-spec) is limited by gearing around 192-197mph. Must be a gearing thing for ZR1 as well

2.) Handling: - No info about ZR1's handling abilities yet since the car hasn't been launched yet. GT-R is outhandling Porsche GT3 RS's, which is widely commented as excellent performer on track.

3.) Driveability: - ZR1's 638bhp through rear wheels will be.. lively.. even in perfect conditions, thanks to huge torque. This will most likely limit the car to good weather driving for average Joe -owners, whereas GT-R can easily be driven daily, in all weather conditions through the year.

4.) Looks: - This is a matter of taste, but I've read multiple comments about the tacky screen in the bonnet that lets you see the intercooler of ZR1. And for average Joe, that is the only thing that separates it from the regular, run-of-the-mill Corvettes if the badges are left out. GT-R.. Well, the designer has a thing for Mechas, gigantic anime robots, and it looks like one too.

5.) Price: - Corvette ZR1 is going to run around 100k, without dealer markups. GT-R? 70-76k.

From these points I've made, you can draw conclusion that GT-R is better bang for the buck, anytime, anywhere, unless you have urge to get somewhere mere 15mph faster than in a GT-R.
 
JohnBM01
How many of you would go to the level of saying that both cars could be just about even, even if both cars were better at certain areas of expertise?
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I think I pretty much said that in the second post of the thread.
 

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