Wheel driveing hints

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Hi I have a hard time getting complete control when useing a wheel instead of the PS3 pad

I have found that I get eaqual lap times as long as I dont overdo it in a SINGLE BEND! This thx to the fact that if I am extremly carefull with the acceleration pedal in the bends sometimes not touching it at all!
And by always brakeing before the bend and not in it.

So now to the problem and that is that when I overdo it the smalest bit I have NO CONTROL at all over the car as if im bound by law to not make it. With the pad however I can block the slide by turning the other way and full acceleration. But with the wheel I lose what very little control I had and crash faster.

I will gladly take any hints u can give in this matter plus hints in how to improve my lap times.
 
In my experience of adjusting to the wheel was to spend time practicing with a car you like to drive on different tracks to learn their "ins" and "outs".....it took me about 3 weeks to feel that I could get the right feel.....also start out at the beginning of career mode and rerun the races as it helps..........

IMHO the best way is to drive a car you like(mine is the GTR Black edition) around all the tracks using test drive and then work your way thru your garage.....
 
I recently moved from a 200 degree wheel to 900°. With the old wheel I could counter easily, but this DFP seems to require much quicker reactions. Assumedly because it takes that much longer to turn the sim wheels enough. In the first few days I never managed to pull it off. However, I hope I make it up in other areas.
 
I see what u mean its much more easy to drive clean with a wheel than the pad I suspect that is thx to the more sensitive controls

Im delibretly overdoing the speed and angle in the bends now just to try and get a grip of it
 
Also for me changing the wheel characteristics from Amateur or Simulation to Pro helped me a lot, besides that it's just practice, practice, practice...
 
mazda323f
Hi I have a hard time getting complete control when useing a wheel instead of the PS3 pad

I have found that I get eaqual lap times as long as I dont overdo it in a SINGLE BEND! This thx to the fact that if I am extremly carefull with the acceleration pedal in the bends sometimes not touching it at all!
And by always brakeing before the bend and not in it.

So now to the problem and that is that when I overdo it the smalest bit I have NO CONTROL at all over the car as if im bound by law to not make it. With the pad however I can block the slide by turning the other way and full acceleration. But with the wheel I lose what very little control I had and crash faster.

I will gladly take any hints u can give in this matter plus hints in how to improve my lap times.
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Simple answer is "PD have deliberately favoured hand controllers in their games." As such, you are effectively penalised for using a wheel.

Funny how "The Real Driving Simulator" is skewed towards hand controllers isn't it :-( At the end of the day it is a corporate (read money making) exercise for the game to be made easy for the average PS user :-(
 
yeah probably Deep forest raceway with a ferrari dino wich is very bad in the bends
lap 1 2:10
lap 2 1:46
lap 3 1:39
it is improving note that I go way to fast into every single bend here just to get a slide to practice on :)

There is however one area were the wheel shuld be better namely in race cars and formula one cars
 
Practice, practice, practice.;)

It could take you a month to get use to it, but once you do, you will won't want to go back to a controller.
 
Probably my wheel is old but it have a very good response to it and it works with the game and console but its not mentioned as an option

I have to go to bed now I have a union meeting to attend in the late morning
 
TT92
Simple answer is "PD have deliberately favoured hand controllers in their games." As such, you are effectively penalised for using a wheel.

Funny how "The Real Driving Simulator" is skewed towards hand controllers isn't it :-( At the end of the day it is a corporate (read money making) exercise for the game to be made easy for the average PS user :-(
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I find it to be quite the opposite, as GT5 was, GT6 is meant to be used with a wheel. I was quite capable with a DS3 and some of my PSN friends couldn't believe I was using a DS3. While the wheel takes time getting used to, it is obviously more immersive and harder to master, instead of using your thumbs to move a thumb stick an inch you have to fight with a wheel. Once you master the "learning curve" playing with a controller becomes unimaginable.

Also having a racing seat setup helps, because driving position also determines your abilities with the wheel.

DS3 are easier and rightly so.
 
mazda323f
Hi I have a hard time getting complete control when useing a wheel instead of the PS3 pad

I have found that I get eaqual lap times as long as I dont overdo it in a SINGLE BEND! This thx to the fact that if I am extremly carefull with the acceleration pedal in the bends sometimes not touching it at all!
And by always brakeing before the bend and not in it.

So now to the problem and that is that when I overdo it the smalest bit I have NO CONTROL at all over the car as if im bound by law to not make it. With the pad however I can block the slide by turning the other way and full acceleration. But with the wheel I lose what very little control I had and crash faster.

I will gladly take any hints u can give in this matter plus hints in how to improve my lap times.
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The trick with a wheel is to not get into a position where you have to counterslide because it costs you a lot of time and it's difficult to master. That means slow in/fast out, easy on the inputs meaning don't jerk the wheel around, smooth on the throttle etc. You really have to practice to deterimine the limits of each car/tire/track combination and in time you'll begin to get a feel for it and it'll become easier.
 
Start with comfort or sport tyres, they are better when it comes to learn how to interpret the force feedback of the wheel, how to countersteer, etc. Racing tyres are more unforgiving and you need to be much quicker to correct balance and slides with them.
 
TT92
Simple answer is "PD have deliberately favoured hand controllers in their games." As such, you are effectively penalised for using a wheel.

Funny how "The Real Driving Simulator" is skewed towards hand controllers isn't it :-( At the end of the day it is a corporate (read money making) exercise for the game to be made easy for the average PS user :-(
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No, no, 1,000 times, no. Controllers are easier to just pick up and use, sure, but ever since getting a wheel I've actually become a pretty good driver, faster and more consistent. I've only heard the 'biased towards controllers' argument about Forza (among simulator/simulatorish [depending on personal viewpoint] games) because MS don't have good wheel support at all.

And they don't need to make it easier with a controller to allow the average customer to complete the game, the AI does that already. That's why I've hardly progressed offline, it's too bloody easy, and much more fun to drive what I want, where I want.
 
TT92
Simple answer is "PD have deliberately favoured hand controllers in their games." As such, you are effectively penalised for using a wheel.

Funny how "The Real Driving Simulator" is skewed towards hand controllers isn't it :-( At the end of the day it is a corporate (read money making) exercise for the game to be made easy for the average PS user :-(
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Noooo
As @mistersafeway said, controllers are easier to pick up and learn than wheels, but once you get used to the wheel, you have way more controll, can be smother, and most of the time produce faster lap times.
 
Ittybitty Stigy
Noooo
As @mistersafeway said, controllers are easier to pick up and learn than wheels
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i wouldnt say it like that, i know people that are insanly fast with wheels
and cant string together 3 combinations on a controller.
and same can be said other way round
to alot of people (mostly matured ones) a wheel is way more natural then a controller

i even go as far as saying mastering the controller
to get really good times takes more skill then driving with a wheel
and mind you, im driving with a g25 lol.
ever since i got this wheel it gave me the impression of making the games alot easier.
its like a tool to me with advantages, except for drifting, thats the only thing thats actually harder
but since i can adjust the degree of rotation on the g25, its not a big problem.
 
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mistersafeway
No, no, 1,000 times, no. Controllers are easier to just pick up and use,.................
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Why say "No, no, 1,000 times, no" and then instantly agree with me?

And then Ittybittystigy says exactly the same thing!

Both of you agree with me basically but sure chose a weird way to express it ;-)

I will prove to you how the game is biased.

Go to Route X like the wind event. Choose you car and do the event twice, once with a wheel and once with a hand controller. When you are at top speed on a straight take your hands off the wheel and see how long before you have to use some input to keep the car straight or to stop it from wobbling. Now try the same thing with a hand controller and you will nearly travel the full length of the straight with no input. Next try spinning out on the bends. It is nearly impossible with the controller and dead easy with the wheel.

Simply put, the game physics are *different* for each making the wheels harder to use because PD dumbed it down for hand controllers soooo much to keep gamers happy.
 
TT92
Why say "No, no, 1,000 times, no" and then instantly agree with me?

And then Ittybittystigy says exactly the same thing!

Both of you agree with me basically but sure chose a weird way to express it ;-)

I will prove to you how the game is biased.

Go to Route X like the wind event. Choose you car and do the event twice, once with a wheel and once with a hand controller. When you are at top speed on a straight take your hands off the wheel and see how long before you have to use some input to keep the car straight or to stop it from wobbling. Now try the same thing with a hand controller and you will nearly travel the full length of the straight with no input. Next try spinning out on the bends. It is nearly impossible with the controller and dead easy with the wheel.

Simply put, the game physics are *different* for each making the wheels harder to use because PD dumbed it down for hand controllers soooo much to keep gamers happy.
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That in no way means the game is designed for a controller instead of a wheel, that actually illustrates the precision in racing with a wheel, you actually get feedback from the wheel, and only slight vibration in a DS3, you have no clue what you are talking about, probably upset because you can't drive using a wheel.
 
TT92
Why say "No, no, 1,000 times, no" and then instantly agree with me?

And then Ittybittystigy says exactly the same thing!

Both of you agree with me basically but sure chose a weird way to express it ;-)

I will prove to you how the game is biased.

Go to Route X like the wind event. Choose you car and do the event twice, once with a wheel and once with a hand controller. When you are at top speed on a straight take your hands off the wheel and see how long before you have to use some input to keep the car straight or to stop it from wobbling. Now try the same thing with a hand controller and you will nearly travel the full length of the straight with no input. Next try spinning out on the bends. It is nearly impossible with the controller and dead easy with the wheel.

Simply put, the game physics are *different* for each making the wheels harder to use because PD dumbed it down for hand controllers soooo much to keep gamers happy.
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well, controllers dont have force feedback, but when i unplugg my g25 wheel from the power cable its basicly then same, no force feedback and car stays straight
having force feedback on and on 10 is just one of my preferences
normal controllers only vibrate, they dont have forcefeedback, that would be funny lol
 
Exactly! This guy has no clue and is just upset. GT was designed with a wheel controller in mind and not a DS3, get a clue buddy, your theories are whack and anger misplaced.
 
Precisely what others have said, using a controller may be easier, but how many controller users have been consistently in the TT leaderboards, or joined a room full of wheel users and dominated? It's not many, because controllers have so much less feedback that they're much harder to use with any high level of skill. Then there's the terrible steering angles and low control over brake and throttle inputs compared with a wheel that mean it just doesn't compare to a wheel once the driver is used to it (unless the person is some sort of beautiful freak of nature like @doodlemonoply ;)).
 
mistersafeway
Precisely what others have said, using a controller may be easier, but how many controller users have been consistently in the TT leaderboards, or joined a room full of wheel users and dominated? It's not many, because controllers have so much less feedback that they're much harder to use with any high level of skill. Then there's the terrible steering angles and low control over brake and throttle inputs compared with a wheel that mean it just doesn't compare to a wheel once the driver is used to it (unless the person is some sort of beautiful freak of nature like @doodlemonoply ;)).
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Again, someone supporting my assertion ;-) As I originally said the game is skewed towards controllers and the average PS user. I never said hand controllers are better and was referring to "average" users.

Again, I was attempting to explain to the OP why he was having difficulty with his wheel.
 
Johnnypenso
The trick with a wheel is to not get into a position where you have to counterslide because it costs you a lot of time and it's difficult to master. That means slow in/fast out, easy on the inputs meaning don't jerk the wheel around, smooth on the throttle etc. You really have to practice to deterimine the limits of each car/tire/track combination and in time you'll begin to get a feel for it and it'll become easier.
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U miss my point here I know that u shall never overdo it when but we also have the fact that going sideways in and out of a bend is one of the most entertaining things u can do in any race game
 
Stick to the wheel, it gets easier with lots of practice.

I find it easier with when i have FFB at 10. Because then I feel that my steering is more precise
 
TT92
Simple answer is "PD have deliberately favoured hand controllers in their games." As such, you are effectively penalised for using a wheel.

Funny how "The Real Driving Simulator" is skewed towards hand controllers isn't it :-( At the end of the day it is a corporate (read money making) exercise for the game to be made easy for the average PS user :-(
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This is total non-sense.
With a wheel you get more steering angle, a controller you're limited;
with a wheel you can give it minimal inputs and have record times, controllers use much more;
with a wheel you can correct finely, no so much with controller;

I can go on and on about this, and most wheel users will say the same. This game was was designed with both users in mind but (IMO) favored the wheel users much more, I'm sure they did most of their testing using wheels as well.

One last thing, explain how is it that most "average" controller users are having such problems with handling? I can go online in a lobby and tell right away who's using what (for the most part, there are some insanely smooth DS3 users out there).

OT: Learn to counter-steer properly, it'll make a huge difference to you.
 
@TT92

Did you even bother to read my post(and others)?

Controllers are easier to pick up and drive, but once you get used to a wheel, and learn how to use it correctly, most of the time, it gives you more controll, and faster lap times.

And your trying trying to argue that because a wheel has FFB, a controller is better?...


@Bluntified, great post.
 
Ittybitty Stigy
And your trying trying to argue that because a wheel has FFB, a controller is better?...
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hahaha, i dont think he actually knows what hes sayin, i dont even think he really knows what FFB is
well atleast the way he writes about it, makes it seem like that.
 
I recently switched to a wheel. Like the OP, with the wheel, I do find it difficult to correct (for me, that's when the back end comes out).

It makes sense that correcting with the DS3 is easier as it's effortless to go from full lock left to full lock right on the controller, while doing that with a wheel is very difficult and requires a lot of effort, and much much more time.

I certainly prefer using the wheel though, for the accuracy and immersion.
 
mazda323f
U miss my point here I know that u shall never overdo it when but we also have the fact that going sideways in and out of a bend is one of the most entertaining things u can do in any race game
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I didn't miss it, but I left something out of my response. I should have said, "the trick to going fast is...."....as my response was concerned with getting around the circuit quickly, not entertainment.
 
I guess u are right about that as it is true that there are two separate kinds one that is purely for entertainment and one for fast and entertaining depending on your mood at the moment.
 
Bottom line here is the game isn't skewed towards DS3, and it's a well known fact that it's harder to drive with a wheel at the beginning, but with practice it actually becomes second nature.

Only thing I used the DS3 for was the drifting challenges, as it was faster to master it with a DS3, due to the quick ability to go lock to lock, and less wear and tear on my wheel.
 
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