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Has the new patch addressed the issue of a "wheel" being the unfair advantage in playing the game; more particularly controlling the S. Vettel in the Vettel challenge?
 
Has the new patch addressed the issue of a "wheel" being the unfair advantage in playing the game; more particularly controlling the S. Vettel in the Vettel challenge?

The have "increased" the time for the Seb Vettel challenge so it can be done in a slower time to get bronze.

As for the controller issue, there is a guy in the GT Academy competition right now who is blindingly fast using a controller, at one point was knocking on the door of the top 8 per region to make it to the finals.......

So the controller vs. Wheel "unfair" advantage is kind of a moot point. You have more "input" available, whether it's faster is down to a person to person case it would appear.
 
Has the new patch addressed the issue of a "wheel" being the unfair advantage in playing the game; more particularly controlling the S. Vettel in the Vettel challenge?

They added an adjustment in the race options to lower the sensitivity of a controller. I don't use a controller so not sure how much it helps.
 
The have "increased" the time for the Seb Vettel challenge so it can be done in a slower time to get bronze.

As for the controller issue, there is a guy in the GT Academy competition right now who is blindingly fast using a controller, at one point was knocking on the door of the top 8 per region to make it to the finals.......

So the controller vs. Wheel "unfair" advantage is kind of a moot point. You have more "input" available, whether it's faster is down to a person to person case it would appear.

not a moot point...but to be more specific...how does one complete the S. Vettel challenge on a controller who has a family, a job and responsibilities as opposed to someone who is an introvert/recluse/trust fund baby?
 
not a moot point...but to be more specific...how does one complete the S. Vettel challenge on a controller who has a family, a job and responsibilities as opposed to someone who is an introvert/recluse/trust fund baby?

I'd say you need to dial your skills in with a "quicker learning curve then." It's shown that it is possible to run competitive times with a DS3 compared to a wheel with 900 degrees of input. I cannot run as fast with a controller as I do with my wheel, but it shows it's possible by what "others" are doing. Try using the new "sensitivity adjustment" in the pre race screen. Aside from that, not really sure what to tell you - as I provided some input and it didn't seem to please. Cheers.
 
not a moot point...but to be more specific...how does one complete the S. Vettel challenge on a controller who has a family, a job and responsibilities as opposed to someone who is an introvert/recluse/trust fund baby?

I can see your point, but I have a daughter of one year and am a single parent, yet I have managed to at least bronze the Vettel Challenge (only because of the update I must add). You could also ask yourself how a family oriented person is meant to complete the 9hr, let alone the 24hr endurance races. It's all down to planning your time and I admit sometimes because my time is so planned, gaming feels more like a grind sometimes. Not all the time though
 
Oh it's possible. I think it's because the controller can perform faster and accurate rapid movements that just takes more time using a wheel. When driving at the threshold in GT5 sometimes a lot of rapid movements are needed to keep you on the optimum race line. Like in Green Hell/ Nurburgring.
 
I'd say you need to dial your skills in with a "quicker learning curve then." It's shown that it is possible to run competitive times with a DS3 compared to a wheel with 900 degrees of input. I cannot run as fast with a controller as I do with my wheel, but it shows it's possible by what "others" are doing. Try using the new "sensitivity adjustment" in the pre race screen. Aside from that, not really sure what to tell you - as I provided some input and it didn't seem to please. Cheers.

i was expecting that reply...but, i guess the real question is why gt would be made so hard for the average driver to complete...and i mean complete challenges, not compete against other people online, whom im sure are many better drivers than me...why does a game reward only a few who spend the extra $150+ for a wheel and hours upon hours upon hours perfecting the lines on one racetrack...this is the first game ive bought that has goals that seem unachievable...yes increasing the learning curve is obvious, but why are so many people having the same issue...i guess my questions are better directed at Polyphony/GT...im not so sure about getting GT6 now cause at my rate ill finish GT5 by 2020
 
I've never really seen GT as a "game" but a simulator like it says on the cover. You make it what you want it to be. You could finish all the races and tests and call it a day if you want or continue to buy more cars, parts and tune to your liking to see what work best for each track.

Back to topic, I personally think there is an advantage to using a wheel but if your investing $150-$600 for a wheel, you better get a return on it. I'm still using a DS3 myself and I cannot get the feel for turning the X2010.
 
Oh it's possible. I think it's because the controller can perform faster and accurate rapid movements that just takes more time using a wheel. When driving at the threshold in GT5 sometimes a lot of rapid movements are needed to keep you on the optimum race line. Like in Green Hell/ Nurburgring.

Just wanted to quote you to tell you nice WW Evo :cheers:

9RS here LOL
 
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The have "increased" the time for the Seb Vettel challenge so it can be done in a slower time to get bronze.

As for the controller issue, there is a guy in the GT Academy competition right now who is blindingly fast using a controller, at one point was knocking on the door of the top 8 per region to make it to the finals.......

So the controller vs. Wheel "unfair" advantage is kind of a moot point. You have more "input" available, whether it's faster is down to a person to person case it would appear.

And I know that guy in real life too. :D
He's actually my real life driving coach for karting.
The problem is that he's breaking the rules because I believe they say somewhere that you can't be a pro driver to enter.
He drives in the F2000 series, he's gotten numerous skip barber scholarships, won multiple karting championships back in Scotland.
He is a great guy and an even better driver. :)
Lots of fun to kart with in real life. :)
 
Why would anybody buy something labelled as "The Real Driving Simulator" and not use a wheel?
 
Its all about the money guys.
I hate to sound like a hippie, but this close relationship between PD, Sony, and Logitech is all about the money.
Those corporations man.

PD makes GT5 hard with a controller/easy with a wheel= people buy Logitech's wheels.
PD makes GT5 available only on PS3= more people buy PS3 instead of xBox.
PD makes GT5 compatible with multiple monitors but you need to have a ps3 for each monitor= Sony getting money for TVs and Play Stations.
It's common sense guys after you put two and two together.
 
I really be live the wheel is to be a huge advantage over the controller I have buds online that have wheels and I can tell yes some are better then me ok most but pitting diffing help me out. My tires wear faster because i'm on a controller and i'm not as smooth around the turns. Say what you what we all know the wheel is beater they should have had two GTA one for the wheel and the one for the controller . Last time I checked money did't make talent that is a gift from god. My fist time on a dirt track I got 2nd in my heat and fist in the main was it luck may be but no showed me how to dive I just knew.I may not be the best I just won,t a host shot at bein g in it.
I LOVE RACE GT5 GIVE THE CONTROLLER GUY,S AND GAL,S A CHANCE.............
dirtman1232 out
 
Its much more even now the sensitivity feature has been added. You still have to find the right sensitivity level that works for each car though, unlike forza which picks the perfect sensitivity for each individual car making the controller actually quicker.
 
For me the wheel is way way better, i had complet almost the whole game before i get the whell , i had done the vettel if all bronze on ds3 if the old times, but when i got the controller i golded all in less then two hours. If the ds3 i spend 2 weeks trying about 4-5 hours day

Suzuka was near impossible if old times on ds3
 
Why would anybody buy something labelled as "The Real Driving Simulator" and not use a wheel?

Mate I did the midnight launch thing, there were about 30 of us and they came out to the queue and offered us some deal which ended up with the DFGT being about £30-£40... can't remember exactly. Anyway what I DO remember was being shocked that not only was I the only person with a wheel, but that no-one wanted to take them up on this. I mean, who queues up - at midnight - for The Real Driving Simulator and passes that up?
 
A friend of mine lent me his wheel a couple of weeks ago, but I'm still faster using the controller ! But I'm an average driver, not a pro...
 
I had a wheel with GT4. It only had a rumble function and no force feedback, and I was never quicker with the wheel. was good fun though. I'm really wanting to try a force feedback wheel as I hear they give a massive amount more feedback than the rumble wheels. For now my DS3 has managed to get me through everything so far on GT5. Just got a few enduros to do and alot of grinding and im finished (apart from golding everything.thats something I will work on when I get my Logitech wheel. It will refresh my mind and motivate me to do it). Just a few special events and licenses to gold. And I may sound insane to spend 70 quid on a wheel just for that but with GT4 I found myself just taking cars out onto practise for hours on end after I 100% it, plus I will have it for other racing games :)
 
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And I know that guy in real life too. :D
He's actually my real life driving coach for karting.
The problem is that he's breaking the rules because I believe they say somewhere that you can't be a pro driver to enter.
He drives in the F2000 series, he's gotten numerous skip barber scholarships, won multiple karting championships back in Scotland.
He is a great guy and an even better driver. :)
Lots of fun to kart with in real life. :)

Where/which track does he teach at in Scotland m8?
 
Why would anybody buy something labelled as "The Real Driving Simulator" and not use a wheel?

I could give you several reasons that pertain to me in this case:

1. If I buy a wheel, I want a good stand for it too. That would cost me at least $250 unless I want to make a stand myself, and I just dont have the time to do that.

2. I love GT5, and it is going to be the only racing game I play. I cannot justify spending $250 on something just for one game.

3. There are loads of other games for me to play in addition to GT5. Right now, my time is split between FIFA 11 and GT5, but I also have RDR on my shelf, which I haven't beaten yet. As new games come out, I will spend less time on GT5. So, it makes it harder for me to justify buying a wheel.

4. I live in a one-bedroom apartment with my gf. It has limited storage space. I have no room for a wheel.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
 
i have a question:

can somebody (or more than one person) who owns a wheel AND a pad please post some comparitive times up on this thread as i'm really interested to learn the difference in lap times between the two.

obviously, use the same car around the same track for consistency.

i ask this because i am thinking about getting a DFGT within the next month and so want to know not only if it will actually improve my game, but by how much of a margin. (i understand that the time difference will depend on the driver's ability on GT5 but it would still be nice to make some comparisons before i make the purchase).

i'd really appreciate this so i will subscribe to this thread in the hope that some people will be kind enough to provide some feedback.

thanks guys

FYI: so far i have read professional reviews claiming that a wheel is worth about 2-3 seconds per lap but i'm sceptical so would much prefer personal feedback from gamers
 
i have a question:

can somebody (or more than one person) who owns a wheel AND a pad please post some comparitive times up on this thread as i'm really interested to learn the difference in lap times between the two.

obviously, use the same car around the same track for consistency.

i ask this because i am thinking about getting a DFGT within the next month and so want to know not only if it will actually improve my game, but by how much of a margin. (i understand that the time difference will depend on the driver's ability on GT5 but it would still be nice to make some comparisons before i make the purchase).

i'd really appreciate this so i will subscribe to this thread in the hope that some people will be kind enough to provide some feedback.

thanks guys

FYI: so far i have read professional reviews claiming that a wheel is worth about 2-3 seconds per lap but i'm sceptical so would much prefer personal feedback from gamers

I was having this argument with a friend just last week. I was using my wheel and he was using DS3, we were practicing for a league race on Tokyo RT 246 using GT300 cars. I told him that I could run as fast with a controller as I could with a wheel and he didn't believe it. I ran 5 laps with my DS3 and got to within .3 sec of my best time with a wheel. It's been a couple of months since I used the DS3 and I'm sure with more than 5 laps practice I could have narrowed that gap even farther. The wheel is just a lot more fun, everyone claiming it gives a huge advantage is just looking for an excuse to cover their bad driving.
 
As i have stated before....its not the wheel, its the pedals. These give you so much more control over the gas/brake than the DS3 ever will. This is the advantage gained here...nothing more.:drool:
 
I've never really seen GT as a "game" but a simulator like it says on the cover. You make it what you want it to be. You could finish all the races and tests and call it a day if you want or continue to buy more cars, parts and tune to your liking to see what work best for each track.

Back to topic, I personally think there is an advantage to using a wheel but if your investing $150-$600 for a wheel, you better get a return on it. I'm still using a DS3 myself and I cannot get the feel for turning the X2010.

I've been a controller guy since GT1 and the only way I drive the X2010 is by power limiting it to <70%.
 
I vote for the wheel, definitely. It helps me train myself with late braking techniques and deciding apex points; skills that I need to get better at in my real driving exploits (AutoX and track days).
Also, my Logitech Driving Force GT has on-wheel controls that allow real time adjustments to traction control, brake bias, 4WD bias, and ABS while racing. I don't think you can do that on a controller.
 
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