Which classes are faster if they raced???

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RESHIRAM5
No, I don't buy it. Unless you show me evidence that states otherwise. Super GT GT3 is too much faster than Blancpains GT3 (and if you talk about tyres being they key factor, they were also able to crush AsLMS GT3 field which are similar to Blancpains GT3 except they use Michelin Tyres).
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http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/...-in-bop-for-fia-gt3-cars-from-the-2015-season

Apologies for mis-typing 2014 instead of 2015, but the point still stands.
RESHIRAM5
2014 and 2015, GTD would like to say hi.
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Or not, because they aren't GT3. They're GTD. Based off GT3 cars, but they aren't classed as such - so no, there are no such instances of GT3 cars being privately modified within their own regulations.
RESHIRAM5
I don't mean massive overhaul changes, I mean like they give a car, more HP or less HP or more KG and less KG based on how the series BoP it and that is what Super GT GT3 do to stay with the JAF GT cars.
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That's called the in-season BoP. That's what we've been referring to for the past page. You have been alluding to mechanical and physical differences:
RESHIRAM5
Aren't Super GT GT3 cars more aerodynamic than other GT3?
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RESHIRAM5
you need to give your GT3 car more improvements to be competitive against JAF GT which are very Aerodynamic
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You're still yet to give me specific proof of that. Skirting around it by repeating what I've been talking about isn't going to further your point.
 
Bo
http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/...-in-bop-for-fia-gt3-cars-from-the-2015-season

Apologies for mis-typing 2014 instead of 2015, but the point still stands.
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That's all I really needed to know :). Most of my stuff came from 2014.


Bo
Or not, because they aren't GT3. They're GTD. Based off GT3 cars, but they aren't classed as such - so no, there are no such instances of GT3 cars being privately modified within their own regulations.
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That was the case for the GT Class in RSCS but in the 2014 and 2015 USCC GTD was basically GT3. All the cars used were GT3 (except the Porsches) but had several changes (like Aero and massive BoP). Of coarse in 2016 this has changes as the GT3 cars will now be full-specced like they are in Blancpain.
 
@RESHIRAM5
I think you should also add Group C,GT1 90's,Formula 1 etc or comparision.

Can anyone tell me why laptimes for GT1 90's faster than GT1 10's.
@Holdenhsvgtsr
You were correct about GT3 car laps of Aston martin,sorry for being ignorant in that le mans pole position.
 
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@RESHIRAM5
I think you should also add Group C,GT1 90's,Formula 1 etc or comparision.

Can anyone tell me why laptimes for GT1 90's faster than GT1 10's.
@Holdenhsvgtsr
You were correct about GT3 car laps of Aston martin,sorry for being ignorant in that le mans pole position.
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Because GT1 10's is actually GT2 90's. It became GT1 after the former GT1 died due to regulation issues and Mercedes completely dominanting the FIA GT Championship.
 
90s GT1 Died due to costs and Manufacturers making road cars outside the spirit of the Rules.

The Toyota GT-One was likely the final straw(rules state it needs to have luggage space in the car so Toyota claimed the Fuel tank).

Whilst there was a Prototype Class at the time all the Manufacturer's where in GT1 as the rules where soo loose they could make cars faster then the Prototype class while showcasing road relevant tech.
 
RESHIRAM5
Because GT1 10's is actually GT2 90's. It became GT1 after the former GT1 died due to regulation issues and Mercedes completely dominanting the FIA GT Championship.
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But the GT1 90's is like F1 GTR 96/97 as fast as todays LMP2.How much fast do you think GT1 with 90's regulations will be if they are developed today?
The CLK LM did dominate FIA GT but they never did well at le mans.10's GT1(around 700hp) also have more power than 90's GT1(around 600hp)
@mustafur
Your right at that time Mclaren was the only one who was building a true road car yet it faired well with CLK GTR even if it didn't beat it.
 
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SS(Showroom Stock?) vs GT4 and V8SC vs GT3 need a rethink.

GT3 cars at Bathurst are 3 seconds quicker than V8s. The closest class to V8s would be DTM(V8s) and NASCAR. Maybe Trans Am as well.

V8s didn't get to run the full COTA configuration. They did get to run at Yas, Bahrain and Shanghai(all at the shorter configurations). The Glen would be the perfect track to test V8s, NASCAR. and Trans Am.

As for SS and GT4. What would be a common track those series have run at?
 
MclarenGT
But the GT1 90's is like F1 GTR 96/97 as fast as todays LMP2.How much fast do you think GT1 with 90's regulations will be if they are developed today?
The CLK LM did dominate FIA GT but they never did well at le mans.10's GT1(around 700hp) also have more power than 90's GT1(around 600hp)
@mustafur
Your right at that time Mclaren was the only one who was building a true road car yet it faired well with CLK GTR even if it didn't beat it.
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Probably around the same as LMP1, GT1 basically turned into LMGTP in 1999 then it merged with the normal LMP in 2006.

That reasoning was for why the FIA GT dropped GT1, in 1999 only Mercedes wanted to participate in GT1 so FIA decided to ditch GT1 entirely.
 
The FIA GT1 class was dropped partly because Mercedes dominated it and turbo cars were not competitive (Porsche). There was only Le Mans to run pre 2000's GT1. No one wanted to make a one-off car for a one-off race. FIA ACO rule differences aside (Turbo Porsche), it was doomed.
 
trustjab
The FIA GT1 class was dropped partly because Mercedes dominated it and turbo cars were not competitive (Porsche). There was only Le Mans to run pre 2000's GT1. No one wanted to make a one-off car for a one-off race. FIA ACO rule differences aside (Turbo Porsche), it was doomed.
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The Toyota GT-One was turbo and was faster in the race at Lemans, poor reliability though prevented it from finishing the race(1998).
 
I have some qualifying laptimes of le mans from RSC
for GT cars
Year Fastest Car Lap time
1996 Mclaren F1 GTR 3:48.281(I did not use 911 GT1 because it was not eligible for points) GT1
1997 Porsche 911 GT1 3:43.363 GT1
1998 Mercedes CLK LM 3:35.544(faster than LMP1 of its time,near group C levels) GT1
1999 Chrysler Viper GTS R 3:56.588 GTS
2000 Chrysler Viper GTS R 3:56.327 GTS
2001 Saleen S7 R 3:52.849 GTS
2002 Ferrari 550 Maranello 3:54.091 GTS
2003 3:53.278 GTS
2004 3:49.438 GTS
2005 Aston Martin DBR9 3:48.576 GT1
2006 3:51.531 GT1
2007 3:48.969 GT1
2008 Saleen S7 3:47.761 GT1
2009 Chevorlet C6R 3:53.416 GT1
2010 Aston Martin DBR9 3:53.45 GT1
2011 BMW M3 GT 3:57.592 GTE
2012 Aston Martin Vantage V8 3:54.928 GTE
2013 3:54.635 GTE
2014 Ferrari 458 italia 3:53.7 GTE
2015 Aston Martin Vantage V8 3:54.246 GTE

I think that F1 GTR short tail lap would have been faster if it had raced in more years it cut off 9s from its 1995 lap time.

During 90's(98 and 99) GT1 lapped even faster than LMP1 which is unbelieveable.

Note I have not written the car name if it is same as previous year.

If you are curious for GT3 laptime,it was 3:59 in aston martin festival.
 
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There was no GT1 class in 99. The top GT class consisted of Porsche 911's and Vipers and were called GTS (winner was a Viper. Best race lap 3:56.588). The Toyota raced in GTP, against the flipping Merc CLR and Audi R8C.
 
Which will win among the following versus in order if they raced
DTM vs STCC vs FIA GT1 90's vs FIA GT1 10's vs LMP2
DTM and STCC are also faster in terms of laptimes than BES GT3 cars.
 
MclarenGT
Which will win among the following versus in order if they raced
DTM vs STCC vs FIA GT1 90's vs FIA GT1 10's vs LMP2
DTM and STCC are also faster in terms of laptimes than BES GT3 cars.
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If I remember correctly, DTM lap times are around the same as the LMP2.

Though STCC are slower than the V8s I think and the V8s are slower than the BES GT3. So I don't think STCC are faster.
 
RESHIRAM5
If I remember correctly, DTM lap times are around the same as the LMP2.
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I can't think of any events in recent times that would allow a comparison? The only venue LMP2 and DTM both race at is the Nürburgring, but DTM only uses the Sprint circuit, so the times wouldn't be comparable.
 
MatskiMonk
I can't think of any events in recent times that would allow a comparison? The only venue LMP2 and DTM both race at is the Nürburgring, but DTM only uses the Sprint circuit, so the times wouldn't be comparable.
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Red Bull Ring 2015-ELMS and DTM qualifying.

P2 1:22.983 JOTA Gibson 015S
DTM 1:24.714 Audi RS5
GTE 1:29.714 Ferrari 458 (on Dunlops)
 
MclarenGT
I have some qualifying laptimes of le mans from RSC
for GT cars
Year Fastest Car Lap time
1996 Mclaren F1 GTR 3:48.281(I did not use 911 GT1 because it was not eligible for points) GT1
1997 Porsche 911 GT1 3:43.363 GT1
1998 Mercedes CLK LM 3:35.544(faster than LMP1 of its time,near group C levels) GT1
1999 Chrysler Viper GTS R 3:56.588 GTS
2000 Chrysler Viper GTS R 3:56.327 GTS
2001 Saleen S7 R 3:52.849 GTS
2002 Ferrari 550 Maranello 3:54.091 GTS
2003 3:53.278 GTS
2004 3:49.438 GTS
2005 Aston Martin DBR9 3:48.576 GT1
2006 3:51.531 GT1
2007 3:48.969 GT1
2008 Saleen S7 3:47.761 GT1
2009 Chevorlet C6R 3:53.416 GT1
2010 Aston Martin DBR9 3:53.45 GT1
2011 BMW M3 GT 3:57.592 GTE
2012 Aston Martin Vantage V8 3:54.928 GTE
2013 3:54.635 GTE
2014 Ferrari 458 italia 3:53.7 GTE
2015 Aston Martin Vantage V8 3:54.246 GTE

I think that F1 GTR short tail lap would have been faster if it had raced in more years it cut off 9s from its 1995 lap time.

During 90's(98 and 99) GT1 lapped even faster than LMP1 which is unbelieveable.

Note I have not written the car name if it is same as previous year.

If you are curious for GT3 laptime,it was 3:59 in aston martin festival.
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You need to remember the track has changed over that time aswell
 
IforceV8
Red Bull Ring 2015-ELMS and DTM qualifying.

P2 1:22.983 JOTA Gibson 015S
DTM 1:24.714 Audi RS5
GTE 1:29.714 Ferrari 458 (on Dunlops)
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D'oh, I even still have the tab open for the ELMS stats... forgot to look at it though! :dunce:
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
You need to remember the track has changed over that time aswell
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The last significant change I remember for le mans was insertion of chicane and some fast 200+km/h esses but esses didn't slow down laptimes but made entry into tetre rouge faster.

Before esses were inserted Audi R8 LMP1 did 3:32.429
After esses it did 3:29.905.
It is only around 3s faster as you would expect in the 1 year development.
 

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