Which is Faster Supra or skyline..??

[Dark Elite]

Dark Elite seems to be backing out.

Please excuse me if this is a rude awakening, but I do have a real life to concern myself with, and interestingly enough arguing over something I know the answer to comes second to my real life. Even when I do make time to be on GTP, my 300mph Club takes considerably priority. So I am not backing out. I felt I needed to teach something about these two cars, so I threw out a challenge. I'm not about to walk away from that, because unlike some people I keep my promises.

The original thread title asks which car is faster, so. You can drive any Supra with any modifications you choose, and I can drive any R33-generation Skyline with any modifications I choose, at Circuit de la Sarthe I.

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Let me know which R33 you chose, ofcourse mine is a no brainer.

 

[speed_demon]

why does it have to be a r33 why cant he use a r34?

 

[Sonzilla]

why does it have to be a r33 why cant he use a r34?

Once again...

The fastest Supra is a 97' RZ.....
The R34 was made in 98 and up.....
Now we all know the R34 is faster thats a no brainer it's years ahead of the Supra and faster stock and tuned.

Now with that being said the best match up for the RZ would have to be an R33. It was built in the same era and this match up would be the most logical.

 

[Dark Elite]

The R34 was made in 98 and up.....

it's years ahead of the Supra

Not sure how this works out, but whatever.

So, you are using the 1997 Toyota Supra RZ?
6.2 mile, or not?

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Actually 17.4 now but yea it was 6.2

Well if this game sources are right from real life specs then the Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R33) ('97) would be the best of all the R33's. Also the LM version isn't bad either.

 

[Leonidae]

you'll have power advantage then..

 

[Sonzilla]

you'll have power advantage then..

DE said he will drive a R33.

The next closest competition would be the

Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) ('99) or 2000 GTR R34


It will depend if DE want's to go this route other than what he stated before.

 

[Dark Elite]

Well if this game sources are right from real life specs then the Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R33) ('97) would be the best of all the R33's. Also the LM version isn't bad either.

The 1996 LM Limited Blue is exactly the same as the 1997 GT-R33 V-Spec, as far as performance is concerned. Obviously I'd use it in preference because Champion Blue is gorgeous, but it is not available in 6.2. But figures aren't all that matters, I'm using an N1 at the moment instead of V-Spec for reasons best known to myself.

You will indeed have a very large power advantage at the moment, my current test car is putting out 741bhp from a heavily worn engine. Waiting on a 6.2 replacement for it, which will be in the region of 780bhp.
I will only go to a 1999 GT-R34 if the R33 proves lacking in power, and this will take a long time to prove

What power output does your ex-6.2 RZ produce?

DE

 

[speed_demon]

Once again...

The fastest Supra is a 97' RZ.....
The R34 was made in 98 and up.....
Now we all know the R34 is faster thats a no brainer it's years ahead of the Supra and faster stock and tuned.

Now with that being said the best match up for the RZ would have to be an R33. It was built in the same era and this match up would be the most logical.

yes but the thread title says which is faster skyline or supra meaning IMO all makes of both models so you have just proven that the skyline is the fastest

 

[Dark Elite]

yes but the thread title says which is faster skyline or supra meaning IMO all makes of both models so you have just proven that the skyline is the fastest

Yes, that was established several pages back...

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

yes but the thread title says which is faster skyline or supra meaning IMO all makes of both models so you have just proven that the skyline is the fastest

Oh my gosh your a genius. J/k

I think some people mistaken me for a gtr hater. I'm just trying to contribute facts. But everyone comes in with their defense on before they even read.

What power output does your ex-6.2 RZ produce?

RZ 865hp if you go with a 2000 GTR R34 855hp

 

[Dark Elite]

Yes, I know how much power a GT-R34 puts out

Hmm, well, even with a worn V-Spec I'm 110bhp down, and with a new N1 it's about 80bhp against me.
What tyres are you using?

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Yes, I know how much power a GT-R34 puts out

Hmm, well, even with a worn V-Spec I'm 110bhp down, and with a new N1 it's about 80bhp against me.
What tyres are you using?

DE

lol


Is this going to be your final choice?

As far as tires are concerned, I feel comfortable with R5's.

 

[Leonidae]

R5's? surely a driver with your skills can use R3's. Though, considering the power output of your car, I don't wonder..

 

[Fizio]

Why don't you do it with stock cars on road tyres... with no settings changed... IMO it would be fair play and closest to real cars...

 

[Dark Elite]

My final choice will be whatever car I manage to run fastest, I haven't finished testing yet. And I agree with Leo, I don't think R5s are anywhere near a realistic proposition for this, but if you can't handle the car on R3s then I guess I'll have to use Qualification rubber...?

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

I can handle any tire choice you want, I was being a little sarcastic.
But seriously I'm using all the tires just to see what the differences are.
R3's are fine.

So to make this clear you are using an R33 right?

If you are, go ahead it's up to you. But I ran some R33's and the times do not look good, it's just my opinion. So Unless you are confident in yourself knowing you can use a R33 which I'm pretty sure you are then more power to you.

I rather have you go with any R34 from Japan that excludes the Nur's tho.



I don't know your schedule but either Sun or Mon I should be done.

Another note I think to be fare we should also use a shorter track like MidField, good track. So this way no excuses short track and long track.

 

[Dark Elite]

If you'd rather I used a GT-R34, to prove an answer to the original thread title at last, then I'll give up my original intention and simply put Skyline against Supra regardless of age.

My preference would be a new GT-R34 N1, but a base GT-R34 will be fine.

Sunday and Monday, I won't be here, and besides I don't rush things like this. If you want a final deadline, then something like Saturday 26th?

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

If you'd rather I used a GT-R34, to prove an answer to the original thread title at last, then I'll give up my original intention and simply put Skyline against Supra regardless of age.

My preference would be a new GT-R34 N1, but a base GT-R34 will be fine.

Sunday and Monday, I won't be here, and besides I don't rush things like this. If you want a final deadline, then something like Saturday 26th?

DE

So you agree with me that there is no R33 fast enough to compete with the Supra?

If you disagree then do both cars R33 and R34 GTR N1. This should be the base Test because the NUR's will be pushing HP a bit but I rather you pick the best production R34 you can find along with the the R34 N1.





I've been on this for awhile, so I'll give you till the 26th that should be enough time.

Oh and Midfield Forward has been added to the challenge.

 

[Leonidae]

is that normal or reverse track you're suggesting?

 

[Dark Elite]

So you agree with me that there is no R33 fast enough to compete with the Supra?

Did I say that?

Alright, I'll drive both 6.2 GT-R33 and new GT-R34 N1, at Sarthe I and Midfield Forward.

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Sweet looking forward to the results.

 

[Dark Elite]

My results, driving five laps at each track in each car.

Nissan Skyline GT-R33 N1 of 1995 (6.2 mile Special Edition)
781bhp /// 596ft/lb /// 1278kg
Racing Medium (R3) tyres

Fully tuned with Amuse parts, including Original Turbocharger Kit 5 and Original Suspension
Adjustable Downforce Aeroparts Kit fitted
Fully lightweighted
Oil Change to Gran Turismo Racing High-Grade

Circuit de la Sarthe I
3'30.204


Midfield Raceway
1'06.452​

Nissan Skyline GT-R34 N1 of 2000 (Purchased New from Dealer)
803bhp /// 629ft/lb /// 1286kg
Racing Medium (R3) tyres

Fully tuned with Amuse parts, including Original Turbocharger Kit 5 and Original Suspension
Adjustable Downforce Aeroparts Kit fitted
Fully lightweighted
Oil Change to Gran Turismo Racing High-Grade

Circuit de la Sarthe I
3'27.602


Midfield Raceway
1'03.789​

I'm not particularly happy with either of the R33 times, and there's probably a little more in the R34 too. The torque and brakes of the R34 help it a lot, and it's easier to drive - the reason it records considerably faster times when only five laps were driven. The R33 times could be improved with more time and tweaking.

I've only got screenshots of the Sarthe times, as I didn't have my digicam when I did the Midfield runs

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

1997 Toyota Supra RZ

Specs:
865hp
778.49tq
1253kg
R3 Tires

Circuit De Le Sarthe I

Best Lap: 3.28.011

Midfield Raceway Forward

Best Lap: 1.03.826






Holy molly Dark Elite how in the World did you get a 3.27 and 3.30 at Le Sarthe I?
I ran both cars from the showroom fully hooked up and the best I can do is 3.30.799 with the R34 N1 and 3.33 with the R33 N1. I mean even if I cut across all the last turns I was still off by 2 seconds of your times. Even with Nitrous I still couldn't get no where near that time.

Now in the R34 vspec II N1 I ran it with R5 tires and surprisingly I ran almost exactly like your time, I got 3.27.503 to be exact after 4 laps.

So I got curious so I did the same with the R33 and ran another surprising 3.30.893 to be exact.

So now I'm like this is getting weird I took the same cars with R5 tires and went to Midfield so behold I ran consistent 1.03.568 in the R34 Vspec II N1.

But the R33 was different I didn't bother using R5's I went with your exact same setup and ran a 1.05.261 on my second run I could get 1.04's easy with it. Now DE I'm guessing you are the GTR guru so how was my 2nd run faster then your 5lap run?????

This is all to weird for me right now I don't know what to say. I'm not calling you a cheater but it's suspicious. I had a friend that plays GT4 with me and he's a top Division 1 driver himself like me and we could not come up with an answer to how it's possible to run those times, we were stumped. You had a whole week I know you have better things to do but I thought you were going to take this a little more serious. I mean 5 lap runs not optimizing it's potential even a little bit is odd to me being that you are very well known on this board. I spent several days tweaking my suspension to run my Supra times.
I'm just guessing on limb here please don't take this in a bad way I completely don't intend on it going that route. If the times are correct then holey cow you must give me that setup I'll even pay for it 👍. lol

Nah seriously another thing just to be clear the pictures you provided are fuzzy and vague IMO. I would like to see a pic of the beginning of the lap on screen, one pic of your top speed and one right at the end of the lap. That should be easy to do I'm guessing you saved the replay right?
I will provide my Pictures of in the settings following each point of my lap. And I will do this within the time you see on my camera so you know that each picture was taken one right after each other. You should do the same it shouldn't be that much more to ask.


My official times within 5laps just as DE did.

Le Sarthe I

GTR R34 VspecII N1
3.30.799 R3 Tires
3.27.503 R5 Tires vs. DE's Time: 3'27.602 on R3 Tires

1995 GTR R33 N1
3.33.527 R3 tires
3.30.893 R5 Tires vs. DE's Time: 3'30.204 on R3 Tires

Midfield Forward

GTR R34 Vspec II N1
1.03.542 R5 Tires vs. DE's Time: 1'03.789 on R3 Tires






A note to all others that are reading on this if you disagree with my times please try it out for yourself and if you can provide a picture of your time to back up your claim. I really don't want this to turn out into an arguing bash. So please if you disagree with my times and or my suggestions and comments please before you post try this out first.


Thanks

 

[Leonidae]

DE is just that good driver. I can believe that you have difficulties to take it, but he is second best driver I know. And he also told that he wasn't really happy with his time on Midfield with R33, but it was the best he could do at the time. And believe me, he is a boy who keeps his word. If he says it's driven on R3's, it IS driven on R3's.

Those times are way beyond my capabilities. I tried to get near with R32 N1, but the lack of power and torque, not to mention the fact that I hate Le Sarthe, and it hates me, left me far behind. I've competed against DE multiple times in team's inner challenges, and I've never managed to beat him. If he'd concentrate on WRS etc, he'd be up there in division 1 with you.. probably above you as well.

maybe you two should compare/swap settings, give them a blast on those tracks and see how it goes?💡

 

[Dark Elite]

I'm rather disappointed that you suspect me of cheating. If you prefer, I could do some runs at the Sarthe on R5 tyres to show how fast it would've been if I had broken the rules we agreed on?

Your test driving the GT-Rs I drove is no way to 'prove' that I used the wrong tyres, as you (clearly) do not drive GT-Rs the same way as I do.

I mean 5 lap runs not optimizing it's potential even a little bit is odd to me being that you are very well known on this board. I spent several days tweaking my suspension to run my Supra times.

Yes, I only ran five recorded laps for this challenge, but it's certainly not the only time I've driven full-tune GT-Rs at the Sarthe, so although I won't have been at the absolute best the cars can do, I also wasn't too far off. Being well-known on this board is partly the reason my time was limited.. If I put more time into suspension setups and gearing, I can likely improve.

Nah seriously another thing just to be clear the pictures you provided are fuzzy and vague IMO. I would like to see a pic of the beginning of the lap on screen, one pic of your top speed and one right at the end of the lap. That should be easy to do I'm guessing you saved the replay right?
I will provide my Pictures of in the settings following each point of my lap. And I will do this within the time you see on my camera so you know that each picture was taken one right after each other. You should do the same it shouldn't be that much more to ask.

The screenshots were taken with my mobile phone, so they aren't of the greatest quality, although all of the relevant information is still clearly visible - there should be no problem with those. I don't understand all of that comment very clearly, but the gist of it seems to be you want screenshots taken from various points in the replay of the run, using a camera? If my mobile phone is that grainy, I don't see how this would help. As it happens, I rather foolishly forgot to save the replay for either of these runs although re-lapping similar times wouldn't be a problem. How you suggest to prove that any photos taken are from the same run, particularly tyre choice, is a mystery to me.

Making this challenge an open-ended on-going race between the two of us is what I wanted, not a fixed deadline like what actually happened. If we keep going with this, developing and improving setups and driving lines and so on, then we would truly find the fastest of these cars without dispute.

DE

 

[Sonzilla]

Oh ok I'm sorry I jumped the gun a little. I came home late last night and saw your times first I was like hmm ok. Let me compare them to the GTR runs I made and I couldn't get no where near that 3.27. The reason is I run Le Sarthe races almost everyday I can run there with my eyes closed. So I can say I know the track very well. Even my D 1 driver couldn't touch that time. So Man I tried as hard as I can even cutting across the whole last section on a flawless run and I could not get it to run a 3.27. So I must ask you DE if it's true please PM me that setup or give me something because I want to go as fast as you did. I can't stop thinking about how it's possible. To run that time in a 803hp car ......lol

Maybe now people should look at my comparo and see just how fast you are on R3 tires. "DE is so fast at Le Sarthe in his R34 N1 that it's like running on R5's". lol


I also finally got the R33 close with 3.31.173 at Le Sarthe still not 3.30 like you but I'm going to keep trying different settings. Still needs more work.

Midfield yea you could have gone faster cause this morning I tried it and ran a 1.03.231 in the GTR R34 N1 and in the R33 N1 I finally ran a 1.04.682 but it's not the 6.2 mile car. I found something in my settings that helped a ton.

So a new day and I got the R33 close to your Le Sarthe run on R3's finally so it could be possible. Midfiled numbers are possible in both cars.
So that leaves the Le Sarthe run in the R34 Vspec II N1 time of 3.27. a 3.29.867 is my fastest so far and I cut across the last section a little cause time was running out. lol

I believe DE both our runs at Le Sarthe and Midfield are record runs. I checked various websites including ours with track records in the same cars and no one even comes close to our runs in each car. lol ...

Maybe later I will post my settings for the GTR R34 N1 and you can tell me where I need to improve.
Plus we can discuss racing lines etc.. I hope to get the max drive soon, I need to show my videos so that I can learn allot more things this forum has to offer plus I need to submit my WRS time.



Oh and about the pictures it's fuzzy but I can still see so if you can do that that would be great so I can get an indication of your speed at various parts of the track.


Thanks DE I agree no deadline lets continue It's a blast driving these cars..... lol

 

[trivium]

I Really like the skyline , its much more solid then a Supra. PLus if your're a good tuner you can make the Skyline a greater racer for Turning and swiveling tracks, because a 4wd picks up much faster and it can push cornering speeds way over. And it slides less.....Lol Or If your really good that is a disadvantage....

Poll Drifting

Skyline (r34) VS. Supra RZ

 

[Leonidae]

R34. faster when exiting corners, easier to control.