Who´s the best GT4 driver?

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who is the best GT4 driver?

  • Veilsidebr

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • Hot604boi

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • Holl01

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • Tannis

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Zoky

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • Arco

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Flinx

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • Hugo boss

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Edmar jager

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • Momo

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • Maybe one of the above

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 9 17.3%

  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
Sphinx
LOL



That figures


didn´t understand...
well, i´m not going further on that...




anyway, i knew i would get a lot of comments like that, but its nice to see some guys talking about a OLR world championship... that would be a great idea...


also, thanks duke for adding a few options that i forgot 👍
 
Like mentioned b4...depends on the combo I think, so we need to do a single championship series where the best racers go at it for 3 races for an overall championship. One Rally Race in a WRC Car. One Classic Track Race in a Pimped Viper (not the Oreca), at Grand Valley, Deep Forest etc And....One Race in Something FAST like the F1 at a deserving track. And if needed a 4th round to do a tie breaker and for that it will be a random combo that only I will know...hehe. (I do take Bribes; women, $$$, Cars and the like...hehe). But a world championship series would RULE! Litteraly my dream right there. Oh, and I know who I would vote for, but I'm not gonna take any sides....*cough*...lol.

jump_ace
 
Another factor in this is where does Asia come into all this? I'm sure there are just as many fast drivers in that region, and without including them it would make any 'World Championship' here a false one.


EDIT: IMO ;)
 
In any case, isn't there already a so-called GT4 World Champion?

I think the guys from GTWeb can answer that one ;)
 
There's no discussion to be had here... we all know I'm the best :p
 
On your knees for the mighty B1tch everyone :)
 
I think Kazu's the best GT4 driver, for better or worse. If he never drove, then none of us would either. :p
 
Sphinx
Another factor in this is where does Asia come into all this? I'm sure there are just as many fast drivers in that region, and without including them it would make any 'World Championship' here a false one.


EDIT: IMO ;)


exactly, that´s why i´m always shocked that is so hard to find japanese drivers in GT... i mean, in those boards...

of course there´s plenty of talent, but i just don´t know who are those drivers... when i first heard of BC, i thought that i would see a japanese based team, but for my surprise, no...

still mind boggling to me... don´t know why that happens...
 
hold on till all the ps2 freaks have to deal with "real" racing problems like a ****ed car, bad tyres or no fuel ;) you ll be surprised how good someone will be with new conditions....

btw... i m still the grandma there but new ****ing fast names will show up ;)

for GT4 on the ps2... risk a look on the BC lineup. :)

i don t like the superlative and i know where i ve to spent ryps testicles ;)
 
There are many excellent drivers, but are they still excellent when you put them under pressure? Some drive better, some are getting nerveus....

for example: Momo lost the semifinal at the french championchip, Itto lost the final at the IAA in Frankfurt...for both the prize would have been a Nissan 350Z...


You can only compare when everybody has got the same conditions...
Like in a Championship or at the Bc's. theese are the moments to prove the speed...

Best example:
For me:
At the moment Rudi Raser is the best at Nurburgring.
Or Hugo at Opera Paris
Or jmr at Autmn Ring..

and so on, and on...

I've voted for no one.

just my 2 cents
 
Obviously most people will think or vote for the drivers they know on some personal level as they have experienced their greatness first hand. I think all of the above names and another 20 or so are all the best, there is just no way to decide (that will ever actually happen) who is the best of the best.

Try to make a list of them, then try to get them all to race to there full potential at once... I wish you good luck! :crazy:
 
Honeycar
There are many excellent drivers, but are they still excellent when you put them under pressure? Some drive better, some are getting nerveus....

for example: Momo lost the semifinal at the french championchip, Itto lost the final at the IAA in Frankfurt...for both the prize would have been a Nissan 350Z...

Main lesson that we learn from that experience, is that there are many players that don't compete in OLR, but can be veryyy faaaast drivers.

@ Sphinx, that title of Word Champion was only for the show. In fact the winner was the fastest driver in that day conditions, on that only run. I must agree with Honeycar on that point. Pricer of Gtweb beat him 2 weeks ago .


IMHO we will have a World Champion when GT series will play online. LAN and only LAN can decide of who is the best.
 
Taf
@ Sphinx, that title of Word Champion was only for the show. In fact the winner was the fastest driver in that day conditions, on that only run.

Yes mate, I agree with you and I was expecting one of you guys to point that out. The organisers of that event took it upon themselves to use the term "World Champion" when it was clear to many that it was not correct to do so, and the same would be said if we were to attempt to stage an event with the same title as suggested.

Taf
IMHO we will have a World Champion when GT series will play online. LAN and only LAN can decide of who is the best.

I also agree with this but it also depends on the racing conditions and who the organisers are. I don't think I need to remind anyone about how a number of very fast drivers have been foiled during quailifiers due to the lack of correct OLR conditions as we see them to be.
 
jmr
People have to distinguish of people who can be fast after playing 24hrs a day or people who are just fast. If you go to people who are just fast the list is still small.

why does this matter jean?? do the people who get what they get from working hard not count?? how pompous. typical primadonna answer there mate.

my answer is maybe one of the above. the one who is both fast, and not a stuck up bastard who thinks he was born with a silver stickshift in his a$$hole.
 
I wonder how "the people who get what they get from working hard" (like myself) would fair in a LAN race when up against someone who doesn't need to work as hard simply because they are fast without the need to go around and around for ever and ever when hotlapping?
 
Max E.
why does this matter jean?? do the people who get what they get from working hard not count?? how pompous. typical primadonna answer there mate.

my answer is maybe one of the above. the one who is both fast, and not a stuck up bastard who thinks he was born with a silver stickshift in his a$$hole.


yes, i mean, if this was a sport, hard work should be rewarded... athletes that work 15 hours a day to get better have a lot of value... in fact, is very much like sports... there´s the allen iverson´s, that don´t need a lot of practice, and are pure talent, but then there´s the hard working guys, that spend countless hours to finally reach their potential... in the end of the day, they are both good...

about those championships, sure that pressure changes everything... last year i joined a competition in GT2, and got beat by a unknown driver, on qualify... only a few days past the qualify that i beat his time... (didn´t matter then, because we went off to others games in the competition, it was not specific for GT, just one round there)

and those unknown guys are always showing up... for instance, i saw a video of a guy here in my homeland doing 4´42´xxx at the nurburgring... don´t know if that´s a record, but just an example of how a guy unknown by OLR community can be freaking fast...

point is when GT5 arrives, and we hope with online capabilities, we will know who´s the best in each scenario... i´m really looking foward to that... but also, it will change things, because we will be racing under gran turismo rules, not OLR, and that can change everything... i mean wallriding, that kind of stuff, but, that´s a different duscussion, lets live it for GT5...

until then i still like the ideia of a championship with lets say, 100 players or so, not just the ones i mencioned on the list... not to label anyone, that would not be the intention, but just to have fun, to have a good competition, to exercise our fierce competition... i really think it could be done... BC´s are so fun, why not take this also to a different level?

of course i don´t have a lot of influence in boards, and i´m pretty much unknown, but it would be nice if someone who can organize like the idea...

anyway, one thing we all have in common: racing against the AI sucks, there´s nothing better than humans...

but lets see how things shape up from now on...
 
Honeycar
for example: Momo lost the semifinal at the french championchip, Itto lost the final at the IAA in Frankfurt...for both the prize would have been a Nissan 350Z...

I don't think in Momo's case it was about pressure. If I remember correctly, that guy was one of a pair of brothers that apparently do nothing all day but race each other on GT. They had never been doing OLR, but they beat Momo because they were faster. Is that scary or what?

I've thought about an international driver's ranking before. But apart from that, a few simple remarks:

For the best OLR racer, the amount of effort you put in doesn't matter. If you win, you win. Simple. If someone else could have done better, well ... they didn't! Results count.

For the best skilled racer, it comes down to a live competition. Who crosses the line first? Something like our LAN parties in Germany do really help. They are still not 100% reliable - you can be very unlucky in accidents. Last RPC I was at, Flinx had some bad luck, among others getting stuck behind me on one race and being to much of a gentleman to push harder to pass me, not realising I had screwed up and left ASM and TCS on. Stuff like that happens a lot in races and unless you are pretty aggressive (as some drivers are), you can suffer from it - drop out of the top league once, and you may never catch up in the standings again. But it is part of racing, and in general, the best driver does come out on top.

You become the best racer through a number of skills. You can become one through putting in a *lot* of practice, getting to know the details of the tracks and the cars. Or you can be fast by understanding racing physics very well. If the competition is tough, you will definitely need both to keep with the top.

Drivers like Hugo and jmr, I know from experience, are drivers that perform well immediately, even on tracks they don't know yet - they learn really fast, they know how to take the turn the first time they see it, and they feel from the car what its limits are. Part of that is experience, part of that is insight into how the car works. It makes them very talented drivers, and if they apply themselves they will always do well. If you put them in real cars or karts, they will do well there also. At least for these two racers, I know this for certain as it has been proven in practice. But, I'm probably going to get flamed for it, right now the highest level of GT driving takes place in France. Maybe at this moment, if jmr and Hugo tried, they might beat all of the drivers, but the number of drivers there who are of the same skill or almost the same skill as they are is very high. But that is just my opinion. GTIRN obviously harbours a lot of talent also. And you pick up all the scattered US talent, you might be able to find a good group also - right now though, they are still very much that - scattered. ;)

The other way round works as well by the way - real track skills translating to the game. A driver like kart.no.38, who you'll see in the last race, plays very little GT. But he does a lot of semi-professional kart racing (meaning he gets paid to do so but doesn't do it full-time yet). And he does very well there too. That skill and insight from real racing, he brings to the game, and the more realistic the physics of the game are, the better he does in the game.

In the end, you can rank a driver through a number of skills. Which skills are more important depends on the situation. Setting up a world championship, or a ranking system, means you will be making a choice which skills you value more, by providing situations (races) that test those skills and assign value to it (through points). You can never be 100% objective in that - always some skill will be test more than another, and you will have to draw a line.

I wouldn't, personally, draw conclusions from the BC races. As arrogant as the French drivers can be, many of them would indeed have won or done much better in their races if they had put in the right amount of effort. I know this, from watching them on their own board (sometimes it is nice to know many languages), and following their Live events (though I still have to attend one, look forward to do that now that I live a bit closer to them).

I think the same, by the way, goes for much of GTN's team too. At the same time, some of the toughest online competition right now takes place at the German boards. But the only proper conclusion from the BC races right now is that the winner won that particular race.
 
some nice comments... from a guy i´ve read a lot in IGN 👍

yes, everytime we made a championship, we are choosing which skill we are going to analize... like in the series events, in which we pick a combo everyweek...

if we put a sign like: "who can make the fastest lap around nurburgring" we would only be avaliating some skills - maybe the fastest hotlapper with the polyphony digital in that particular track...

in a game so immersive as GT, its hard to get all skills covered... i know what you mean, if we put a championship togheter, we could have 1000 rounds and still not find the most complete driver...

about the most grueling competitions right now, my two cents are on gtplanet´s own WRS and gtrp´s GC. some of the very best are competing there, including a lot of french guys... some tough racing for sure... we can´t tell much because everyone here is close to one reality, even though we are online, we know some drivers better than others... like me for instance. I know the guys of gtplanet. if you search the boards and its respective events, its amazing how much hot604boi and holl01 are winning events... but, a lot of people don´t know then...
point is, its hard to tell if france or whatever country is having better drivers right now... depends on how close we are to one reality i think...

its interesting that we started discussing one thing and quickly got to other, very interesting, which is the possibility of maybe one day, have a GT4 world championship... of coure this supposed championship would select just a few skills that made a great driver, but i think its a start...

anyway, glad to hear different opinions about this 👍
lets keep the discussion 👍
 
Very interesting last few posts 👍,

Sadly i do not have much to add, I would like to see a major championship between some of the fastest OLR guys, like a BC type of arrangement.

Very nice post Arwin and Fasj6418
 
Arwin
I don't think in Momo's case it was about pressure. If I remember correctly, that guy was one of a pair of brothers that apparently do nothing all day but race each other on GT. They had never been doing OLR, but they beat Momo because they were faster. Is that scary or what?

No it isn't, it's just a fact...
Seems you missunderstood...I don't care if the other one was a brother of 2, or someone playing 24/7 GT, or Momo didn't know the fast cars bla, bla...
Fact is: They all had the same conditions and the "best" driver won: carter

Or the RPCV: Some were prepared, Some not, Some had luck, some not...at the end we had a ranking....and that counts...

Who's the better driver: Alonso or Raikkonen, Schumi or Monoya, Loeb or Solberg....??

This discussion's ridicolous, sorry...

Some people say the licenses-db counts..that's also as stupid as true..

so big p is the best...watch his TT10/GT3......not from this world


So if I can beat Hugo, I'm better??? LOL :D :)



greetz Honey
 
Honeycar
No it isn't, it's just a fact...
Seems you missunderstood...I don't care if the other one was a brother of 2, or someone playing 24/7 GT, or Momo didn't know the fast cars bla, bla... Fact is: They all had the same conditions and the "best" driver won: carter

And you. ;) (the best prize was the national one after all)

But you seemed to imply that Itto and Momo caved under the pressure. Maybe that was true for Itto, I don't know, but I had understood that Momo lost because the other guy was faster, and wanted to set that straight.

Or the RPCV: Some were prepared, Some not, Some had luck, some not...at the end we had a ranking....and that counts...

No disagreement there. But there is a difference in style of driving, aggression, etc., and that there are more factors than just pure skill. I think if you want a competition that consists of 100% pure skill, you just need to have races with no other drivers, pure time trials. But that's not nearly as much fun of course, and it doesn't measure your racing skill - i.e. overtaking and so on.

Who's the better driver: Alonso or Raikkonen, Schumi or Monoya, Loeb or Solberg....??

Schumi, no doubt. :D

This discussion's ridicolous, sorry...

No, the discussion is not. A particular idea in your head that you are disagreeing with, might be. ;) I understand your point, but I thought we had just lifted the level of this discussion higher than that.
 
Not schummy, but ferrari. Is he winning or being competitive now, when his car is not that good?

strange eh, when he just wins when his car is the best on the grid?
 
Arwin
And you. ;) (the best prize was the national one after all)

But you seemed to imply that Itto and Momo caved under the pressure. Maybe that was true for Itto, I don't know, but I had understood that Momo lost because the other guy was faster, and wanted to set that straight.


ok, ok. that with Momo could be...


Arwin
No disagreement there. But there is a difference in style of driving, aggression, etc., and that there are more factors than just pure skill. I think if you want a competition that consists of 100% pure skill, you just need to have races with no other drivers, pure time trials. But that's not nearly as much fun of course, and it doesn't measure your racing skill - i.e. overtaking and so on.


That's right. and these are the reasons why I just wanted to say: it's difficult to find the best driver, because there are so many factors. You should make categories maybe( best lic. driver, best LAN driver, and so on...maybe)


Arwin
Schumi, no doubt. :D

No comment


Arwin
No, the discussion is not. A particular idea in your head that you are disagreeing with, might be. ;) I understand your point, but I thought we had just lifted the level of this discussion higher than that.


Sorry. my fault. Chosing the wrong word...I did not mean the dicussion, I ment the question.... :indiff:

Peace Arwin 👍
 
veilsidebr
Not schummy, but ferrari. Is he winning or being competitive now, when his car is not that good?

strange eh, when he just wins when his car is the best on the grid?
Where was Frenando Alonso when he did his first race ever in Formula 1? He was under contract with... Minardi. I can't remember him winning a race with that Minardi. But, he's still a very good and very fast driver. He demonstrated that this year and last year.

What I mean? Being the best driver in racing history or whatever is not enough. If the car can't perform like you'd like to, you can't win. Give either a McLaren or a Renault to Micheal Schumacher and he'll probably win either China GP or Japan GP and maybe both. Give a Ferrari to either Fernando Alonso or Kimi Raikkönen and they won't win any race.
 
Sphinx
Yes mate, I agree with you and I was expecting one of you guys to point that out. The organisers of that event took it upon themselves to use the term "World Champion" when it was clear to many that it was not correct to do so, and the same would be said if we were to attempt to stage an event with the same title as suggested.
I'll entertain setting up an "OLR Invitational Race" in a month or 2 if I get any positive feedback about it. 👍

I think that is a better way to describe it. Invitations to the fastest drivers in OLR and they can all run against each other while the rest of us sit in awe of their laptimes. :eek:

Be a nice way to have bragging rights and to showcase their speed against the other top drivers. Hardest part is getting them all to run. Usually only the BC drags them all out. :scared:
 
Oh yeah bragging rights, we can't forget the great need for highlighting one's own self-importance within the GT Community. :rolleyes:
 
Sphinx
Oh yeah bragging rights, we can't forget the great need for highlighting one's own self-importance within the GT Community. :rolleyes:


👍
 
tuff240
I'll entertain setting up an "OLR Invitational Race" in a month or 2 if I get any positive feedback about it. 👍

I think that is a better way to describe it. Invitations to the fastest drivers in OLR and they can all run against each other while the rest of us sit in awe of their laptimes. :eek:

Be a nice way to have bragging rights and to showcase their speed against the other top drivers. Hardest part is getting them all to run. Usually only the BC drags them all out. :scared:

It's a nice idea :)

Problem is... Who are you going to invite, and who not? Who is just fast enough to participate, and who isn't?
You should let everybody pick his own combo and let all drive it. That would give everybody a decent chance to prove himself. But it's still subjective, just solo-driving.. Not LAN racing against human drivers.

But for others it might be interesting what times are going to be produced, so you have my vote 👍
 
Sphinx
Oh yeah bragging rights, we can't forget the great need for highlighting one's own self-importance within the GT Community. :rolleyes:
Bragging rights might not have been the best term to use, but don't roll your eyes at me.
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