Who doesn't bother with tuning suspension settings?

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The issue is a good tune for the D£ is not a good tune for the wheel. With a wheel you can set steering angles when with the DS3 it is almost impossible. Also there are some invisible assists present on the DS3.

This is most noticeable in terms of read wheel steer using power on oversteer. With a wheel it is almost impossible to control, when with a pad you can be very tail happy.
 
I have only recently began to fidle with suspension settups. Most cars in the game drive reasonably well without any tuning even though the default setups PD uses are strange (I'm sure there is no sports car on the planet that comes with zero camber as default).

In fact i think that many people that do a lot of tuning shouldn't. In my experience you can do reasonably well with untuned suspension against tuned suspension online as many people try to tune their way around fundamental driver mistakes...

All that said, when you are good enough to drive consistent lap times and have the feel for the car and the track the suspension tuning is fundamental. Unfortunately the game doesn't give a lot of the vital information that would be usefull in searching for setup (tire temperatures).
 
sk0pe
It seems odd to me that people are willing to spend money on just 1 game but they won't cough up for an accessory that is going to make EVERY driving game they play now and in the future 10x 100x more enjoyable...
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I can and would buy a wheel in a heartbeat, if it weren't for the fact that my PS3 is set up in the living room (because we also use it as a Bluray player and media center) and my wife would not appreciate me turning the couch into a make-belief car.

Ergo: there are more considerations for not using a wheel than just money.
 
I know what a difference it can make. Sadly I am not very clued up on it. If you check out the only racing section here, within the leagues a good setup will make the difference between a win or last place lol

I would love to see some sort of guide aimed at gt5 which took a sample of cars, and tweaked the suspension step by step (in many ways) explaining how the change would/should affect the car what pros and cons are of doing a b and c or a b and z. A tutorial basically where I would learn something yet isn't just dry theory.
 
Just to add my bit:

On some cars, I can "feel" the car is different. It will turn a bit sharper, or hold a curve just a tiny bit better. It will break loose later, or have slightly less understeer. But in the end, it doesn't usually affect my lap time.

The only things that make me faster are tires, down force, and LSDs. The only thing that makes me slower are sway bars. I could have a random button on everything else and it wouldn't matter.
 
This is very hit and miss for me. If the car doesn't have copious amounts of understeer/oversteer - I leave the suspension well alone. Maybe only touch the ride height and springs to give it a low-slung stance.
If a car won't behave I'll spend a good amount of time tweaking the suspension until it's under control. I don't like having cars that handle perfectly like they're on rails. A car with a smidge of under/over steer is a challenge, and it adds to the thrill of racing.
 
Tuning your suspension can help a LOT.

It can make your car's cornering a lot snappier
It can reduce understeer or oversteer
It can make your Volkswagen campervan look like a pimp-er's dream

Basically, a good suspension setup gets the best out of your car when cornering.
 
brambos
I can and would buy a wheel in a heartbeat, if it weren't for the fact that my PS3 is set up in the living room (because we also use it as a Bluray player and media center) and my wife would not appreciate me turning the couch into a make-belief car.

Ergo: there are more considerations for not using a wheel than just money.
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My wife wasn't happy with some of my old habits, but having a driving wheel and pedals, luckily, isn't one of them! She likes driving on the Autumn ring in a small car.

I just clamp mine on a long wide "bookshelf" piece of wood, and lay it atop a "piano stool" and when I'm done driving, I slap the heavy pedals onto a free side, and slide the plank under the bed.
 
God, if I counted up the hours spent solely on tuning and testing suspensions, it'd probably be about 80% of my actual driving time..... Even once you find a good setting for a track, once you get a little better, you often need to completely scrap your setup again.
 
It depends. Certain cars that could drive better, I'll try my hand on fiddling the suspension so that I can at least get a better setup out of it. Other times, just out of sheer laziness, I don't even bother with it. I put some racing softs on it and do what I can. :lol:
 
I've not got into online play so never felt the need to tune my cars. There are so many cars that handle well, straight out of the box. Plus, many of them, Ferrari and BMW in particular, can be upgraded without becoming too difficult to drive.

To get more longevity from the game, I'll try online soon and will probably try tuning. Forum member, nomis3613 has posted a guide to starting from scratch in the tuning forum- it looks a good place to start.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=203324
 
I do tinker with most things that are adjustable and you don't have to be a skilled technician or very knowledgable about all the terms used to try it (having a basic understanding of car dynamics helps though), just read the clear descriptions provided by PD carefully and when you've got a reasonable pair of brains it's not that hard, yet very easy to get wrong however.

The differences are noticeable, even minor alterations can have a huge effect, in fact that's one of the things I always liked about the GT-series and found lacking in other games (not the tuning possibilities but the precise effect they have).
And I use a DS3 which currently is worn and needs to be replaced by another soon, still I notice the changes I make in the way the cars handle.

The suspension settings can change the characteristics of a car fundamentally, from understeering dog into slightly oversteering fun or perfectly balanced bliss.
I don't overcomplicate it, use the default set not only as base (obviously) but also as a guide as some cars have a very specific base set up (often related to camber) which balance I try to keep as it's there for a reason I reckon, as I'm always a bit suspicious seeing the more complicated tunes around here (which are probably better than mine but then I'm stubborn by nature and need to do it myself according to my own 'engineering principles') as elegant simplicity (or simpleton's nonsense some might say) seems to work for me.
 
NjLowrider
Can't wait to find those who don't adjust suspension when I go online!!!!
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Here is something I'd like to try:

Find a simple car and recommend a complete tune. I'll try it without the suspension tuned and with the suspension tuned. I'm curious if it will actually improve my lap time.
 
Vol Jbolaz
Here is something I'd like to try:

Find a simple car and recommend a complete tune. I'll try it without the suspension tuned and with the suspension tuned. I'm curious if it will actually improve my lap time.
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Try it on Tsukuba. Power hardly makes a difference there, but suspension definitely does...
 
Me. I'm too much of a noob to tune the suspension. I just max out the cars and try to tame it with my DS3.
 
rams1de
I've not got into online play so never felt the need to tune my cars. There are so many cars that handle well, straight out of the box. Plus, many of them, Ferrari and BMW in particular, can be upgraded without becoming too difficult to drive.

To get more longevity from the game, I'll try online soon and will probably try tuning. Forum member, nomis3613 has posted a guide to starting from scratch in the tuning forum- it looks a good place to start.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=203324
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Excellent link thank you.
 
If your not feeling the difference your not driving at the limits (your limit and/or the cars limit)*me thinking xD*

If you drive the Car stock set a lap time.
Install the FC Suspension (leave it at stock settings) and drive the same Track again
=> you have to feel any sort of difference !! (laptime should decrease drastically)

And if you lower the ride height a bit and stiffen the springrate a bit (rear harder than front) you will notice a little better cornerbility.

I´m a DS3 user myself and I do the above things (thats just some basic stuff I do some more changes ;)) and I get every Car to suit my drivingstyle.

Maybe take some "special" Cars:
Enzo (major understeer followed by snap oversteer)
Vertigo (too much power for the weight and not enough front Downforce)
Yellowbird (too much of everything xDD)
Ruf BTR (not so beastly as the Yellowbird but still a handfull (or two))
TVR Speed 12/Tuscan speed 6 (under- and oversteer. + the Speed12 has way to much power)

these are Cars you have to tune and if you do you will see and feel the differences you made (maybe it is getting worse or better ;))

LSD is another thing
 
I don't bother with tuning full stop! What I mean exactly is: although I will buy parts for cars, I'll never sit there tweaking all the individual settings, if I buy suspension it's just the lowest upgrade that has no set up options. It's cos I'm rubbish at tuning & don't enjoy it either!


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Kool Mode D
I invested a lot of time in changing my suspension setting in GT4 and I never really noticed the difference in changing the suspension. I would spend ages driving a car around a track just to test my suspension settings , writing down lap times but I always felt like I put in so much time for very little reward. I'll change my tires because I can definitely notice the difference in the way a car handles but not suspension. In GT5 I don't even bother anymore. Anyone else the same? By the way I'm using a DS3 (and used the DS2 only in GT4 as well but I would prefer a wheel).
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I agree, using DS3. i would if Kaz enabled me too save my setups for specific tracks,or at show me max lateral G's.

Its just redicolous that i have too write down stuff like laptimes and tuningsetting in 2011!!!:grumpy:👎

GT5 is terrible...:ouch::dunce::drool::grumpy:👎
 
I find that tuning LSD settings is in general more effective than tuning suspension settings, but most of the time I end up tweaking both.
 
As said before, tuning suspension and LSD is an absolute must. This brings the goodness of GT5s physics to life. The default tunes and the default value for the LSD is horrible.

e.g. ZR1-RM, reduce the LSD to init:9 acc:23 brake:20
Then go out and race your favorite track, the acceleration feels a lot more aggressive, like the tires are doing everything they can to grip the track. This is on racing hard tires on the rear, no aids. The suspension needs to be softened up a lot too or the car just slides instead of loading up progressively like a real car does. GT5 can hold its own with Rfactor but the cars must be given a complete re-tune to get there.
 
Lower it, stiffen it, add damper/rebound, add roll strength, add an even amount of camber usually 2.0 f/r, then depending on the motor layout I adjust toe accordingly. Nsx is .04 rear toe for MR and supra or FR is -.04. Rear toe is key to a good tune.
 
I tend not to touch many settings, I've read all the descriptions and have a general idea for most of it, but I find it just too tedious to change the settings and correlate results. Sadly I don't have the hours required to really make the most of this aspect of the game.

It would be nice if we could make adjustment on the fly while driving. I know it's not believable but then it is a game in a virtual world, driving one minute on one side of the world and driving another minute on another side of the world isn't realistic either. Would be great to change all the setting on the car on fly then I'd be a lot more tempted to find out what works to me cos you would have immediate results.

By the time I drive a few laps, go into the menus, change the settings and get back out on the track it's difficult to really 'feel' the changes usually anyway.
 
I usually try to do stuff with the suspension when I want to take a car to the track, I usually add some camber and stuff to it to help/assist the transfer of weight to one side/whatnot.
 
I'll do the usual camber, ride height, springs, shocks, and gearing with what feels comfortable. Tuning is kind of a black magic in gt5 though. Wish we had more telemetry like real time ride height, tire temps, and tire load. Then we could properly set a car up for different tracks.
 

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