Why can't everything be turbocharged

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LMSCorvetteGT2
I agree with Toronado, it's a game and not real life where you have the issue of making the incorrect choices. If that were the case the game would give us no direction in the first place.
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That's not even really the main reason it is so ridiculous (though it is one nonetheless).

He's basically saying that any tuning option that GT5 doesn't offer must not be offered because it is too dangerous to do to the vehicles in real life. And that is just... insane. There are several cars in GT5 that prove what he's saying is nonsense.
 
Toronado
This is the most absurd application of logic I have seen in defense of GT5 in a long while.
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This whole GT5 section is nothing but thread after thread of flawed logic anymore. Are you surprised?
 
Boost a pump gas car that is seeing 11:1 cr. That will work real well on a track.


Boost a non forged piston car for track purposes. That will work out real well too.


So basically fuel, cylinder pressures, and material fatigue is the real reason some engines can not be boosted reliably.


You can boost any combustion engine. You can spray nitrous through any combustion engine. Both add oxygen to the mixture resulting in making more power. Doesn't mean the engines will take much of either.

I've ran supercharged, turbo, and nitrous car in real life. We tried some silly things. Life before the Internet was interesting. Lots of time, effort, and money wasted. Hahahaha
 
Toronado
That's not even really the main reason it is so ridiculous (though it is one nonetheless).

He's basically saying that any tuning option that GT5 doesn't offer must not be offered because it is too dangerous to do to the vehicles in real life. And that is just... insane. There are several cars in GT5 that prove what he's saying is nonsense.
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Nah, I got what he was saying, I was just giving my reasoning of the many there are for why he's wrong. I agree with you nonetheless because I said the same thing in earlier post here that cars that aren't able to be turbocharged in this game are widely known to be so. Like the OPs Lexus ISF which has a powerful twin turbo system on the market. That came out early after the cars start production. Glad to see you making good valid points.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
...when I think N/A the last thing I'm thinking is a Honda. I'd lean more toward a LS7 Vette, Ferrari V8s, Dodge 6.4L engines. That stuff NA sounds amazing. I'd even go far enough to say a 370z sounds more sexy than the S2000.
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Wow. It's different for sure, I like em all,
But running my car up to 9000 rpm is orgasmic... Now my dad collects all things mopar, and his srt-10 ram sounds sick, as well as his classic charger (not sure of year) :duh: I'm just a Honda guy. Always have been. Different strokes I guess.
 
Toronado
That's not even really the main reason it is so ridiculous (though it is one nonetheless).

He's basically saying that any tuning option that GT5 doesn't offer must not be offered because it is too dangerous to do to the vehicles in real life. And that is just... insane. There are several cars in GT5 that prove what he's saying is nonsense.
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This game doesn't PROVE anything. It's a game. The reason you can't put a supercharger or turbo on everything is because that is what the manufacturer wanted. They tell PD what they want represented In the game. Realistic or not. Do u think your car would look like you got into a small fender bender after hitting the chicanery barrier on la sarthe at 240mph in you Enzo? Duh, cmon guys. Even Kaz reports to somebody. If lotus says "nope, I don't want a turbo on my evora" then that what it is. Its all about money. Don't even get me started on the premium cars.
 
No, please do share your intimate knowledge of how PD is run sinis1er :dopey:

I'm glad everything isn't turbocharged tho, don't see the need to turbo all my cars to be honest....(twin turbo McLaren F1? :yuck:)
 
MitchZ06
No, please do share your intimate knowledge of how PD is run sinis1er :dopey:

I'm glad everything isn't turbocharged tho, don't see the need to turbo all my cars to be honest....(twin turbo McLaren F1? :yuck:)
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Do I know that's how it was done? No. But why else would things be the wAy they are? And why not have ALL the cars be premium? Because it's heck of a lot of work, work equals money. Where is porsche ? They've never been In The game. Test drive and need for speed had em but why not GT? Money. Why can't you put aero on your Enzo? Cuz Ferrari doesn't want it that way. Money. Why do some cars get cracked up more than others? Money. Why does Nissan have 400 of the cars in this game? And ALL the iterations of this game? Big big money. This game has reached a point where the manufacturers WANT to be in the game. It sells THIER products.
Who would know what a skyline was if it weren't for GT? would the wrx, or Evo ever been imported if it weren't for GT? nope. Then motorex started to import skylines. No way they could've done that without GT. Nissan knows it, as well as the other companies on here. It's to the point where Kaz can name his price. The game is iconic, its severely flawed in many ways, but it's (arguably) the best racer out there for a Console. What GT has done is a very special thing, but it's all dictated by the all mighty dollar (or yen). And if you don't think so you are naive.
 
MitchZ06
No, please do share your intimate knowledge of how PD is run sinis1er :dopey:

I'm glad everything isn't turbocharged tho, don't see the need to turbo all my cars to be honest....(twin turbo McLaren F1? :yuck:)
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And it's sins1er not sinis1er
 
Double post? Use the edit button....and my bad, didn't pay enough attention.

It's all a conspiracy theory until proven otherwise anyway. Kaz has said he loves the GTR thus so many variants in game, same for most other Japanese cars. I don't get why they need to use the method they do to render cars (their method takes 6 months whilst EA takes significantly shorter) when there are other far quicker ways to do things. Their business model is kaput too especially now with the ability to put out DLC for games they don't need GT6, only multiple DLC packs to update and upgrade GT5 which would make as much in sales as putting out GT6.
 
(wow everyone is a mod these days)You are probably right about that As well. DLC seems to be the way to go... Although I'm not sure if some of the garbage on the game can be fixed via patches and DLC. it's a good game, it really is, but when you five or so years for a game it had better be perfect. Although there wasn't as many cars, you could put a "racing body" on every car in GT1. That was what? 13 years ago? The new b-spec is so stupid that I will never have 100% on this game. Which saddens me. The NASCAR has got to go, and some of the cars that are missing?? Um how bout the Ferrari F-50? Or the ffx? Or the koenigseg(sp?). Where did infineon go? The game was rush to market at the end. It's incomplete. Even the rally section is weak on here.
All that being said it's still the deepest car game put now. Although I'd like to see the new forza (I know I know).
 
I reckon not everything can be turbocharged because the game is realistic and just like reality not every car can be turbocharged. Pretty much A simple explanation...

(wow everyone is a mod these days)You are probably right about that As well. DLC seems to be the way to go... Although I'm not sure if some of the garbage on the game can be fixed via patches and DLC. it's a good game, it really is, but when you five or so years for a game it had better be perfect. Although there wasn't as many cars, you could put a "racing body" on every car in GT1. That was what? 13 years ago? The new b-spec is so stupid that I will never have 100% on this game. Which saddens me. The NASCAR has got to go, and some of the cars that are missing?? Um how bout the Ferrari F-50? Or the ffx? Or the koenigseg(sp?). Where did infineon go? The game was rush to market at the end. It's incomplete. Even the rally section is weak on here.
All that being said it's still the deepest car game put now. Although I'd like to see the new forza (I know I know)
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Consider the fact that P.D probably didn't get the deals with companies such as Ferrari for the F-50, the Dino etc.. and also the Koenigsegg. Not everything is possible these days!. No cheek intended just consider reality. Also not everything is down to money!. Porsche are probably not in the game because there is a high chance they just don't want to be? You may be right in saying it's up to money but you don't know that? Also I'm pretty sure a lot of cars you mentioned WOULD be famous whether it was for the Gran Turismo franchise adding them or not. It probably did help some cars but not the Import/Export business as A whole. That's A bit of A bold statement!.
 
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Sp yer saying PD didn't want to PAY for the licensing?? Exactly my point. And how do I know it's about money? It's a business. You think Kaz has the car collection he does by doing this for free? If it wasn't profitable he wouldn't do it. There's a very fine line that must be walked when you are doing something you love for a Living. But the bottom line will always be money. Especially when there is so much at stake. We are talking MILLIONS of dollars and hundreds of employees.
Also, the introduction of the hot compacts may have happened w/o GT, but it wouldn't have happened so quickly. I've read and seen interviews with the engineers of mitsu and Subaru about this very subject. There simply wasn't a mass market for a turbocharged subie or mirage. People wouldn't dream of spending 35k on a Subaru before this game came out. There are dozens of articles from just about EVERY respectable automotive periodical that echos this same point. The tuner scene were the only folks that even knew what a type R even was.
And you can turbo charge anything with enough money and knowhow. Recommended? No. But it can be done.
 
sins1er
Wow. It's different for sure, I like em all,
But running my car up to 9000 rpm is orgasmic... Now my dad collects all things mopar, and his srt-10 ram sounds sick, as well as his classic charger (not sure of year) :duh: I'm just a Honda guy. Always have been. Different strokes I guess.
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9000 RPM sure is wound up!

A lot of people don't understand RPMS and what it takes to spin engines that high.

I simply love a SBC2 on full song. 10k revving v8. Not a baby motor either. 400 cubes!!!

Also note ohv engines rev much easier. There is little harmonics in the valve train.


On the guy I machine turbo parts for revs his Evo's 4G63 to 10k. That just ridiculous. I shift my stockish car at 8000-8500. Stockish compared to his built monster


I answers why all cars didn't get turbos earlier.


Fuel, compression, and materials.

Boost lifts heads with stock bolts on a higher cylinder pressure. Stock style gaskets don't hold the boost so well. As well hyperutectic pistons don't do detonation well. They will crack. Usually ring landings.

That's is the simplest reasons. I can get detailed per car with some specs.





The import and compact car movement is directly related to the movie Fast and Furious. Not many before that Messed with what was considered weak kneed engines. As well the turbo technology and ecu technology has played into it.

Heck I recall when getting a tune in a Fuel injected car required sending chips off to be burned. It was a guessing game really.
 
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D-Max
You're telling me, A mechanic by trade, that you can turbocharge any car you want? Get real dude...
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D you are thinking boost and reliable.


On a non reliable stand. Yes you can boost any combustion engine. Will it last more then two pulls, doubtful.
 
D-Max
You're telling me, A mechanic by trade, that you can turbocharge any car you want? Get real dude...
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In my experience in this section of GTP, the people who tend to talk up their off-forum achievements are the ones who know the least about what they are talking about. Just saying. But let's sidestep that and look at your original post:
D-Max
I reckon not everything can be turbocharged because the game is realistic and just like reality not every car can be turbocharged.
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This statement, like the one iamsupernasty made earlier in the thread, hinges on the assumption that because GT5 doesn't offer the tuning option, it must not exist/be safe in real life. Let me count the absurdities behind that idea:
  • There are cars in GT5 that prove how dumb some of the restrictions are. You can't equip a turbocharger to a Volkswagen R32 in this game. By the logic you've outlined, that means that you can't turbocharge said engine in real life. Oops. Doesn't look like anybody told the guys that made this car. Or PD for that matter, because you can turbocharge the Volkswagen Beetle RSi, and the Golf R32 is a Beetle RSi with a Golf body on it.
    The same thing applies to the dozens of race cars in the game that can be equipped with Stage 2/Stage 3 turbochargers when their road equivalents cannot. NSXs, for example.
  • Tuning in GT5 is painfully unrealistic anyways. You can get performance gains out of cars in this game that completely blow away the actual tuned versions of those cars that are also in the game. I can make an EP Honda Civic Type R that so thoroughly outclasses the Spoon version of the same car in power and torque, all through NA tuning. Why arbitrarily assigning what is done realistically and completely screwing up everything else makes the game "realistic" to the extent that one can use "it isn't done in real life" (even when it is) as a defense for the laziness in the tuning options I don't think I'll ever know.
  • You can equip turbochargers to an awful lot of really insane crap in this game. You can equip turbochargers to a Ferrari P4, for crying out loud. Are you really going to tell me that that is more realistic than equipping a supercharger to an NSX (which, I remind you again, is commonly done in real life) or a turbocharger to a Corvette (ditto)?
 
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D-Max
Which in theory makes it not possible.. :S
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Within reason you can boost almost any stock modern automobile. The technology is there. Even H/C motors are getting boost now -ie the mazdaspeed line up. All of those cars run 12:5:1 compression AND run turbos with the aid of direct injection. It comes Down to how much is it worth to you to run 10 psi of boost through a car? (which is low to average) do u REALLY want spend the 15,000 bux to redo the entire inside and fuel system on a car JUST to boost it? Of course not.
 
sins1er
Within reason you can boost almost any stock modern automobile. The technology is there. Even H/C motors are getting boost now -ie the mazdaspeed line up. All of those cars run 12:5:1 compression AND run turbos with the aid of direct injection. It comes Down to how much is it worth to you to run 10 psi of boost through a car? (which is low to average) do u REALLY want spend the 15,000 bux to redo the entire inside and fuel system on a car JUST to boost it? Of course not.
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12.5:1 and boost on pump gas? Links to specs. There can't be much boost at all. Let alone how little timing you would be able to run. That sounds like a E85 or Race gas set up.

Also what does "direct injection" do for a boost car?
 
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OwensRacing
12.5:1 and boost on pump gas? Links to specs. There can't be much boost at all. Let alone how little timing you would be able to run. That sounds like a E85 or Race gas set up.
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As absurd as it is it is true look it up. They use direct injection to avoid detonation. It's very slick. Atomizing fuel directly into the cylinder chamber instead via a fuel rail. And it pushes a ridiculously high amount of fuel pressure to achieve it. It runs about 10-12 psi of boost. And 91 octane pump gas.
 
Ummm fuel ONLY atomizes on exit of the fuel injector. When it check this, Hits the atmosphere after being pressurized. :)

Almost all fuel injected cars today are "direct injection".


I googled it (12.5:1 boost mazda) and can't be bothered looking up slow car specs if they are not easily found. If you wanna prove what you say holds water. Provide a link. Wonder if you mistaking AFR of 12.5:1 which is idea for a boosted car as compression ratio.
 
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Standby... Or google mazdaspeed 6 specs. The first article is from car and driver. It fails to give C/O but it does give boost rating (15.6!!) and the fuel pressure (ready for this? 1885 psi!?? WTF?)... I'll find the compression ratio for ya if you hang in there. I know it's High though. Almost positive that it's 11 or 12:1
 
While I haven't been around as long as you, and you do have a better knowledge of people here, I am actually not talking myself up and I am A mechanic. Not talking myself up in anyway.

So it appears I must eat my own words. But when I was saying you can't do it I meant realistically it would be impossible to just slap A turbo on A car and go which from this game is the impression that A lot of "Ricer boys" seem to get from this game.
 
OwensRacing
Ummm fuel ONLY atomizes on exit of the fuel injector. When it check this, Hits the atmosphere after being pressurized. :)

Almost all fuel injected cars today are "direct injection".

I googled it (12.5:1 boost mazda) and can't be bothered looking up slow car specs if they are not easily found. If you wanna prove what you say holds water. Provide a link. Wonder if you mistaking AFR of 12.5:1 which is idea for a boosted car as compression ratio.
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I humbly apologize- modified magazine says 10:1... Still high for a boosted motor tho. Specially running 15+ pounds of boost. I'm sorry for the mistake and concede.
 
sins1er
I humbly apologize- modified magazine says 10:1... Still high for a boosted motor tho. Specially running 15+ pounds of boost. I'm sorry for the mistake and concede. And I understand what atomization is. I'm saying it sprays fuel DIRECTLY at the sparkplugs at an over high FP to FURTHER atomize the fuel this cooling the cylinder chamber to avoid detonation.
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