why do i find snow and certain rally races so difficult?

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Maybe its just me having recently been playing the crap out of Need For Speed Underground II, or maybe it's the AI. Either way, I've been finding a dinner plate, full of my ass, handed to me every time i try the snow rally races. i tried the Toyota Rally Raid SUV thing first, but quickly became frustrated out of my mind and sold it. then, i tried the Ford RS200, which i had better success with in the Yosemite races, but still no luck in the snow. The real sad part is I'm only playing on easy! Not even Normal, and i haven't even scrolled down to Hard yet. someone please help, any tips for more senior GT'ers proficient in rally, dirt or snow, would help.
 
I know what u are talking about, it seems the rally events are much harder. I got my ass handed to me like 7 times in the HARD paris road event against that little puegeot rally car, i got my revenge after having to use the RX-8 LM race car concept. I got pwnd by the lancer evo on thiti rally in my wrx sti concept that pissed me off
<--- the car i had to use :ouch:
 
I hate it when I'm just winning, then right before the home straight the other car hits me, 5 sec penalty and I can watch them zip off to victory :ouch:

Certainly the ice rallies are tougher than on dirt, as I see it there are really 2 approaches...
1. wait till they get unlocked then practice on the track until your lap times are fast enough to win.
2. use a vastly overpowered car, bring the gearing way down so you can accelerate quickly then try to stay away from the opponent, it's much easier to win a rally when you don't have to brake to avoid hitting the other car.

Also, there's no penalty if the rear or rear quarter panel hits the wall ;)
Try not to slide too wide, sliding means you're not accelerating to the next corner.
 
Anticipate the corner, setting up going into the corner is critical.

I find that alternating Brake/Gas mid corner (I gots no DFP) on a 2nd gear turn works well.

Try keeping your nose near the inside wall during a highspeed 3rd or 4th gear turn.

meh!
 
I tend to downshift a gear much when going through corners in rally.

Also, practice on the throttle control. Full throttle might not be the quickest way around the corner when there is not much traction available.
 
For the special events on pavement I used an NSX-R concept with some engine mods and medium/soft racing tires, that's it. I beat all of those quite easily. That NSX-R is unstoppable on those close quarters maps, highly recommended.

As to dirt/snow, I've been having some issues as well. I ordered a Logitech wheel last night, hopefully that'll help. But, I use a STI WRX that worked pretty well.
 
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I tend to downshift a gear much when going through corners in rally.

Also, practice on the throttle control. Full throttle might not be the quickest way around the corner when there is not much traction available.
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This is correct...too much throotle will cause you to run wide all over the place. Use a higher gear and less throttle through the corners, it's faster all around.
 
dbartucci
I hate it when I'm just winning, then right before the home straight the other car hits me, 5 sec penalty and I can watch them zip off to victory
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Also, there's no penalty if the rear or rear quarter panel hits the wall
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Try not to slide too wide, sliding means you're not accelerating to the next corner.
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That's not true ,
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@ Yosemite, many times i just barely rear bumped the wall with the rear quarter panel and got penalized and why is it that the ****** hits me from behind, sends me on a spin and as it goes by and hits me again, i get the penalty? Also, if he hits the walls, he don't get penalties
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What's really there to learn, from a "no mistakes allowed" rally like Yosemite and the "go on a cruise of Amalfi rally" on road, that was too ******* easy?? The whole ******* thing, is just too out of proportion. I've never read more complaints about a game, than this one. To you PD
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I wonder if the Japanese version is this ****** up? Perhaps, PD and his pals, are out to annoy the rest of the world?
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The technique I'm finding most usefull for 4WD cars is simply tossing the car into a 4 wheel drift at a very high angle, clipping the apex and gassing it out. RWD is a bit harder; I toss the car at the apex but use a low drift angle and also gas it once I'm at the apex.
 
I used the HPA R32 Golf on all those races on easy and normal. Havent started the hard ones yet. I used it stock with just an oil and tyre change and trounced them all. Gonna try the Minolta or one of my Black Beasties for the hard races i reckon. If u get a car with a decent amount of power, find a good medium between acceleration and topend. And notice how the AI car is racing. I dont think ive seen one drift a corner yet. They tend to slow right down and meander round the corner. Dont be overly generous with the gas on the straightaways and you should own the race.. 👍
 
If you just searched around a bit you could easily find out what cars work the best. It seems to be popular opinion the Evo Super Rally Car does the job nicely, however I prefer and fully modded Dodge Ram for the dirt and ice rallies.
 
Yesterday, I found out that using a heavier car than let's say a rally car was easier, I used the STI 2004 and it went very smoothly but fast also. Much easier than the Rally cars, they are too easy to spin off, and they have traction problem.
 
phonypoly
That's not true ,
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@ Yosemite, many times i just barely rear bumped the wall with the rear quarter panel and got penalized and why is it that the ****** hits me from behind, sends me on a spin and as it goes by and hits me again, i get the penalty? Also, if he hits the walls, he don't get penalties
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What's really there to learn, from a "no mistakes allowed" rally like Yosemite and the "go on a cruise of Amalfi rally" on road, that was too ******* easy?? The whole ******* thing, is just too out of proportion. I've never read more complaints about a game, than this one. To you PD
thumbsdown.gif
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I wonder if the Japanese version is this ****** up? Perhaps, PD and his pals, are out to annoy the rest of the world?
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Take a chill pill dude, really.
 
Div is back
Yesterday, I found out that using a heavier car than let's say a rally car was easier, I used the STI 2004 and it went very smoothly but fast also. Much easier than the Rally cars, they are too easy to spin off, and they have traction problem.
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I read somewhere else that the trucks are pretty good for the rallies due to their weight, but I can't confirm or deny it myself, kinda backs up Div's comment however...
 
acceleration is slow though. i use my own tuned scooby, all done from second hand, its perfect lost one rally event so far.
 
I've just completed the easy events. And for every race I used a tuned Impreza Spec C. Most of the races were won by a few seconds, but the Ice Arena reverse was the hardest. I was following for the whole race, and as we came onto the finish straight I just powered past the little Celica to win. Hows that for lucky, huh?

But yes, the snow events are difficult, I find that the best way to tackle the hairpins is to simply brake down to the recommended gear, and only lightly push the throttle untill its safe to floor it. Don't try to bring the rear out on exits of corners, because in alot of cases you will hit the side.

Marshy
 
I have a real issue with that first tarmac rally, the one where you win a Cien on easy. That track just does not agree with me at all. The second one where you get the Toyota rally car first time around I fly through it like a natural.

I haven't tried the other rally's yet because I know I will suck at them, fortunately I have a couple of decent rally cars. Hopefully I won't end up using the Escudo to clear them all.
 
I'm really starting to hate the rally sections. THe tarmacs are fun, but the penalty system is dumb. I've just now beaten the easy ice races after finishing all of the tarmac races.
 
I finally finished it not too long ago, some tips from my end as I beat them all using the controller. For easy ones use any standard car with racing tires and you'll win the tarmac stages easy, for dirt and snow events a modded street car can handle it or just a standard rally car, even if its the RS200 or something. For normal same deal with tarmac stages really, racing tires will give the win to you as long as you have enough power, I personally used the suburu super touring car on some just to see how much I could beat some of them by. For dirt and snow I used a suburu Impreza Rally car prototype 01, modded it for its full HP it could handle the stages pretty well but its still tough to pass on the Grand Canyon and Ice Arena without hitting the car as they are sliding their backend arounds and its hard to setup a good pass especially since in normal the cars your up against are street versions of the rally cars which aren't too far off their rally counterparts and can hold with you pretty well on dirt and snow being 4WD, if your opponet is beside you he can and will hit you in the side which pernalizes you usually so expect some frustration but if you hang in there before the end your can probably make a clean pass then just don't make any mistakes. For hard I used the same cars mostly, suburu impreza super touring for tarmac stages and the rally prototype for others, with the exception of Grand Canyon and the snow stages, the impreza just isn't enough to get any real clean pass on any of the stages, instead I went with the Lancie Delta Integrate, when using this car your opponet changes, for Grand Canyon it was a suburu when I was using one, with the Lancie it was the mitsubishi Lancer but surprisingly I found the Lancer easier to beat as the Lancia seemed to overall perform worse than my Suburu especially since I didn't upgrade it at all but getting a pass was easier, once in front I could overall hold them off, the snow stages if your really getting annoyed, take the lancia and just fulll throttle it into the turn and slide it around and use the back to against the sides to push you back forward completing the turn, at some point you can probably make a pass doing this if you can go in fast enough and get back off just in time from there continue doing it without getting any penalties and you should have it.

Best moment for me when completing these, beating the hard Swiss Alps Reverse race using a non modded Suburu Impreza 99, I hadn't won the 01 proto yet, I was up against the Lancia and was rated somewhere like 122 pts or something for the race, the lancia took off for a big lead but made a big mistake somewhere early on lap 2 I got around a 15 second lead, I drove clean through the race keeping track of the split times, the Lancie ended up finishing 1.5 seconds off me.
 
Try using Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car. That thing is a BEAST - almost 500 hp stock and less than 900 kg! 👍
I've just cleaned up on all dirt events on "Normal" using it...
it flies thru corners and can actually stop when you ask it to...
 
try the dodge ram 1500 hemi on the dirt courses ( not too good on grand canyon tho ) i have it set up fully modded with the supercharger ( yes i know its not the full hp of the car) turn the ASM off and TCS to full and bump up the limited slip by 10 each. i found this to be the best offraod car in the game ( havent tried the escudo yet tho )
 
Aarkon
try the dodge ram 1500 hemi on the dirt courses ( not too good on grand canyon tho ) i have it set up fully modded with the supercharger ( yes i know its not the full hp of the car) turn the ASM off and TCS to full and bump up the limited slip by 10 each. i found this to be the best offraod car in the game ( havent tried the escudo yet tho )
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I've been meaning to try this. But, I haven't; until now. What an easy car, er truck, to use on the Rally Courses!

Great tip! 👍 You guys, like me, having trouble with the Rally Courses should give this truck a try!
 
*pick a rally car (4WD, under 1300kg, ~300hp)
*go nice and easy. no need to wait until the last second to brake. apexes are still critical to make
*swing your rear end out just before the turn. this means turn hard/quickly and then apply the brake (unless you can pendulum yourself before the turn). after your car is pointing almost perpendicular to the road, get on the gas a bit. now here's the trick: MORE THROTTLE = WIDER TURN. if you notice yourself getting closer to the inside wall, GIVE IT GAS. if you notice yourself drifting to the wall behind you, TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS
*practice, practice, practice
 
super_brrd
Maybe its just me having recently been playing the crap out of Need For Speed Underground II, or maybe it's the AI. Either way, I've been finding a dinner plate, full of my ass, handed to me every time i try the snow rally races. i tried the Toyota Rally Raid SUV thing first, but quickly became frustrated out of my mind and sold it. then, i tried the Ford RS200, which i had better success with in the Yosemite races, but still no luck in the snow. The real sad part is I'm only playing on easy! Not even Normal, and i haven't even scrolled down to Hard yet. someone please help, any tips for more senior GT'ers proficient in rally, dirt or snow, would help.
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I too just got done beating the crap out of NFSU2, and I like the metaphor about the plate of your ass. The snow races are really hard, but I've realized one thing about rally races on GT4: you can put dirt or snow tires on any cay. I haven't tried it yet, and it may not work, but maybe you should just take your fastest 4WD car and put snow tires on it... no matter how non-rally car-like it seems. Like I said, I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like the only way to get the job done. I've spent(literally) millions of dollars on trying to find the best rally cars on the game(by the way, don't buy the Hyundai Accent rally car; it sucks), but none of them seem to be good enough. Oh well, it's GT, and it's all about trial and error. Years later, when you look back on playing this game, you'll probably only remember how much fun it was. I haven't finished the race you're talking about either, just been working on other stuff, but those pain-in-the-butt rally races are in the back of my mind. If you pass the race, let me know what car you did it with.
 
I did finally manage to get through all of the rally stages from easy to normal to hard... and yep.. the snow ones really bite.. It took me the most time and number of retries to get through even the easy stage of the snow. But the advice here has been good. Don't expect to get there with just full throttle... it just doesn't work... go hard only when you're pointing the way you want to go.

btw I used the Mitsubishi special rally car for all of the hard rallies except the wet one. For that I used the Sauber. But man, did it take me ages to get through there.
 
Allnighte
*pick a rally car (4WD, under 1300kg, ~300hp)
*go nice and easy. no need to wait until the last second to brake. apexes are still critical to make
*swing your rear end out just before the turn. this means turn hard/quickly and then apply the brake (unless you can pendulum yourself before the turn). after your car is pointing almost perpendicular to the road, get on the gas a bit. now here's the trick: MORE THROTTLE = WIDER TURN. if you notice yourself getting closer to the inside wall, GIVE IT GAS. if you notice yourself drifting to the wall behind you, TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS
*practice, practice, practice
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Couldn't agree more. I was more successful in the Celica Rally Car than the RSC Rally Raid mad thing. It's much more controllable. Have now stepped up to the Impreza '01 Prototype and that's even more controllable (imho). Am starting an attack on the hard races now.

Presume people here used something mega powerful for Tsukuba Wet Hard, though?
 
Giving the Lancia Delta S4 a try. Quite a bit nicer than the RSC Rally Raid, I think. A broader power curve, better stability, and higher cornering speeds...
 

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