Why does PD keeps tinkering with the physics.

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killah_smoke23
Every time there's an update they always change something about the physics and if you're a tuner like me its very frustrating when you work really hard to tune a car and you absolutely love it then they update the game changing the physics and the car is totally screwed. For e.g I tuned a 350z for drifting from ground up no help from anyone or the forums because I wanted it exactly the way I wanted it. It took me almost a week to finish because I'm no professional at this I just started tuning cars on my own a while ago and the end result was absolutely perfect. Then the update before the Senna update completely screwed EVERYTHING up. The car that I've put almost 500 hours in is trash and no matter how I try to tune it to the physics in the game its just not the same. People put alot of time in tuning they're cars and before you can put a good month or 2 in it they tweak the physics and mess everything up.
 
Without knowing what's going on on their end, it's hard to justify or condemn changes they've made. As I've stated elsewhere, it could be that the issue with camber is so ingrained in the physics up to this point that the tinkering done is to allow for improvement in that area.
 
TexRex
Without knowing what's going on on their end, it's hard to justify or condemn changes they've made. As I've stated elsewhere, it could be that the issue with camber is so ingrained in the physics up to this point that the tinkering done is to allow for improvement in that area.
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well I then I gonna have to stop tuning for a while until they sort that out because honest a couple months ago the physics was perfect for me
 
Siren
Every time there's an update they always change something about the physics and if you're a tuner like me its very frustrating when you work really hard to tune a car and you absolutely love it then they update the game changing the physics and the car is totally screwed. For e.g I tuned a 350z for drifting from ground up no help from anyone or the forums because I wanted it exactly the way I wanted it. It took me almost a week to finish because I'm no professional at this I just started tuning cars on my own a while ago and the end result was absolutely perfect. Then the update before the Senna update completely screwed EVERYTHING up. The car that I've put almost 500 hours in is trash and no matter how I try to tune it to the physics in the game its just not the same. People put alot of time in tuning they're cars and before you can put a good month or 2 in it they tweak the physics and mess everything up.
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I don't remember feeling any physics changes since they fixed the body roll, and I think that was 1.04 or something. Also, it's highly unlikely that they changed the physics during GT Academy.
 
mistersafeway
I don't remember feeling any physics changes since they fixed the body roll, and I think that was 1.04 or something. Also, it's highly unlikely that they changed the physics during GT Academy.
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I agree the physics change every time there is an update and sometimes there are "Ninja" updates as well.

I also have the theory that the physics in GT Academy are locked to that car and event so that the updates do not affect them. This is one thing that I do think PD are smart enough to do so that we can't prove what has changed on updates.

I also am frustrated with tuning :-(
 
Siren
Every time there's an update they always change something about the physics and if you're a tuner like me its very frustrating when you work really hard to tune a car and you absolutely love it then they update the game changing the physics and the car is totally screwed. For e.g I tuned a 350z for drifting from ground up no help from anyone or the forums because I wanted it exactly the way I wanted it. It took me almost a week to finish because I'm no professional at this I just started tuning cars on my own a while ago and the end result was absolutely perfect. Then the update before the Senna update completely screwed EVERYTHING up. The car that I've put almost 500 hours in is trash and no matter how I try to tune it to the physics in the game its just not the same. People put alot of time in tuning they're cars and before you can put a good month or 2 in it they tweak the physics and mess everything up.
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I'd like to know how you get 500 hours from a week's work!!:lol:

I started a garage in GT6 but was discouraged after a month or two by the lack of racing online on anything but RS tires and the problems with ride height and camber among other things. I really believed (I know silly me) that PD would get it right with physics this time with all the build up to the KW Suspension system, Data Logger and the whole new physics engine. Once I realized there was little to none of the kind of racing I enjoyed online in the 450-500PP range on CS and SH tires, there was little point to continuing to tune cars, especially if the physics weren't right to begin with and were bound to change.
 
Johnnypenso
I'd like to know how you get 500 hours from a week's work!!:lol:
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This was about 2 months ago when I tuned it I have 772.2 hours clocked in this game so far and 734.4 out of the 10km I've out if from that car alone.[/quote]
 
Siren
It seems like all the new things they added to the physics engine has done more harm than good since they're constantly tweaking it.
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I know right? Whatever it is their seeking to fix within the physics engine, it's not doing them any good at all. They should just leave it alone.
 
TokoTurismo
I know right? Whatever it is their seeking to fix within the physics engine, it's not doing them any good at all. They should just leave it alone.
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Exactly if they would just leave it alone then we can tune our cars to suit, but if they keep changing it then what's the point. There's an entire page dedicated to submitting tunes and I'm pretty sure the ones that got 5 stars aren't even good anymore.
 
Take it easy, stop tuning for while (like you said), drive some other cars leisurely -- don't try to push the car (& yourself) too much. Have fun. If the car you pick is not fun to drive, just change another one.

And then come back to this car some days later, with a clean sheet. Start over from scratch. You had found out the sweet spot before, and you will do it again.
 
its so annoying i know , trust me im one of these very sad "its not a tune if its not at least 300 laps worth of time into it" people ... but look on the bright side any change in physics is for the better my friend =)
 
Damo The Don
... but look on the bright side any change in physics is for the better my friend =)
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Why would you say that? Any proof that this has actually happens? I have found it is usually worse (for some cars).

All that happens is some cars get slipperier and some cars get more grip. Then, the next update, they seem to change it around a bit more. I feel the grief of fellow tuners never knowing what the rules will be from one day to the next :-(

I am finding it very hard to spend time tuning when I know it is all a waste of time in the long run.
 
TT92
Why would you say that? Any proof that this has actually happens? I have found it is usually worse (for some cars).

All that happens is some cars get slipperier and some cars get more grip. Then, the next update, they seem to change it around a bit more. I feel the grief of fellow tuners never knowing what the rules will be from one day to the next :-(

I am finding it very hard to spend time tuning when I know it is all a waste of time in the long run.
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i had to replace my ps3 literally few days ago and played the game offline with no updates at all for like a hour or so used 3 cars all stock no upgrades or tuning
after i got bored and wanted to chill witgh friends online i updated and used the same 3 cars as they was before the update and believe me dude the change in physics is very noticeable and i can promise you 100% been for the better

try it yourself back your save up and start over with no updates and do a 3 car test like i did before/after updates , your feel exactly what i did with the physics and your realise having to re-tune your cars every update is really worth what we get in the changes made =)
 
something i have been doing to make the whole re-tune thing less annoying is ive spent over the top ammount of time with one certain car and have re tuned it more times than i care to remember but the result is i know that car and its tuning ways like the back of my hand so when a update does come in and somethings been changed i can work out exactly whats been changed =)
 
I personally think the physics were great at launch
Damo The Don
something i have been doing to make the whole re-tune thing less annoying is ive spent over the top ammount of time with one certain car and have re tuned it more times than i care to remember but the result is i know that car and its tuning ways like the back of my hand so when a update does come in and somethings been changed i can work out exactly whats been changed =)
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You see the thing is I'm not very good at tuning, heck I don't even know how certain parts work together. I was just lucky enough to find a sweet spot and stuck with it. Its easy for you to say that you can work out exactly what changes because you know your stuff. I on the other hand don't and unfortunately there's not a specific guide on how to tune your car and I'm not very good at self teaching. Sure you can say I can check out the forums, but like we said before the physics keeps changing every update. Who knows if whatever advice is given on the forums is gonna work.
 
IMO the physics were good at launch, but were probably neutralized due to complaints, particularly for MR cars, from people who were much more used to the more neutral and forgiving physics of GT4 and GT5. They're still great, but I feel as if they probably had them at their most realistic at launch and have been neutralising them and making them more arcadey ever since.

I guess it's hard to market a game where someone might not even have the skill to drive their favourite car.
 
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Damo The Don
i had to replace my ps3 literally few days ago and played the game offline with no updates at all for like a hour or so used 3 cars all stock no upgrades or tuning
after i got bored and wanted to chill witgh friends online i updated and used the same 3 cars as they was before the update and believe me dude the change in physics is very noticeable and i can promise you 100% been for the better

try it yourself back your save up and start over with no updates and do a 3 car test like i did before/after updates , your feel exactly what i did with the physics and your realise having to re-tune your cars every update is really worth what we get in the changes made =)
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No there is no need for me to do that at all. Myself and some friends regularly race the same stock cars at the same tracks and we can tell by the lap times how things change.

BTW what you propose as evidence is only anecdotal at best. By all means record lap times for those cars under each circumstances and get back to us here and we will see if we can reproduce what you believe you have found. I would suggest using stock cars to eliminate any variables there.
 
You can tell what physics have change by lap time lol ok im going to leave this thread to you guys here.
but just a heads up before i leave it ... lap times will tell you nothing about how anythings changed other than if your has car gotten faster or slower and even then to find just them two things out you would need to be able to run within a .100 consistency every lap and drive the exact same line/braking point/return to throttle point.
With out sounding ignorant or harsh and i mean by no offence , i think you have alot to learn about racing games and certainly ones as complicated as GT my friend
Happily to carry this conversation on about this topic in private with some one more on my level of understanding and experience
 
Siren
I personally think the physics were great at launch

You see the thing is I'm not very good at tuning, heck I don't even know how certain parts work together. I was just lucky enough to find a sweet spot and stuck with it. Its easy for you to say that you can work out exactly what changes because you know your stuff. I on the other hand don't and unfortunately there's not a specific guide on how to tune your car and I'm not very good at self teaching. Sure you can say I can check out the forums, but like we said before the physics keeps changing every update. Who knows if whatever advice is given on the forums is gonna work.
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there is a guide on here by a user called Hami , this will explain to you well enough and give great understanding of what certain parts do in relation to other parts , my best advice my friend is read up on what parts do what how they effect the car and note it all down , then its a case of tuning and testing , if you was to ask me whats most important when tuning i would honestly tell you this , do not go by any formula/tricks/general et ups that you may hear from other tuners but simply set the car up off of your own feel. as in what feels good to you , there is no right or wrong when tuning really its all down to you and what you want in return from the car. tune from what you feel is right for you and your driving style , change in physic happens alot ? use these times of change as a lesson to learn more about the games physics ...if anything changes are helping the real tuners learn how gt6's physics work alot faster =)
 
I have no problem with them tinkering, if it makes things better then great. What I have an issue with is them tinkering with physics and not telling us. Every update we get people saying they feel a change, sometimes it is placebo, sometimes there really has been a change, but undocumented. Say what you want about their update logs but physics is the number 1 component of the game, they should be telling us every time they make a change and tell us exactly what they did. Not just:

- The vehicle dynamics for some four wheel drive cars has been corrected.
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That tells us next to nothing.
 
Samus
I have no problem with them tinkering, if it makes things better then great. What I have an issue with is them tinkering with physics and not telling us. Every update we get people saying they feel a change, sometimes it is placebo, sometimes there really has been a change, but undocumented. Say what you want about their update logs but physics is the number 1 component of the game, they should be telling us every time they make a change and tell us exactly what they did. Not just:



That tells us next to nothing.
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So far the problem is that is hasn't gotten better. It feels like it's gotten worse
 
Damo The Don
With out sounding ignorant or harsh and i mean by no offence , i think you have alot to learn about racing games and certainly ones as complicated as GT my friend. Happily to carry this conversation on about this topic in private with some one more on my level of understanding and experience
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Is there anyone here on your level of understanding and experience? Could you provide a resume' so we can assess our own qualifications in relation to yours to see if we're worthy of submitting a PM to you?
 
Johnnypenso
Is there anyone here on your level of understanding and experience? Could you provide a resume' so we can assess our own qualifications in relation to yours to see if we're worthy of submitting a PM to you?
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short answer yes there are lots of people on the same page as me , maybe you are too ? one way to find out ... PM me =) i said what i did in my previous comment as i would like to carry this topic on with some one who knows there stuff rather than some one who thinks on a "i know whats changed in physics by lap time" kind of level of understanding
 
Samus
That tells us next to nothing.
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I think it was the (possibly weight transfer?) issue that made lots of 4WD cars very RWD in their dynamics. Almost as though there was no front drive.
 

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