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- Mr Shakotan
After playing last night with friends and other usual lobby drifter, there was a few people complaining about not being able to drift there cars because of the tire setting and drive train restriction. One player stood out as for some reason he felt the need to curse the lobby host out because he couldn't drift his subaru. After laughing a bit at the user he goes on a rant about if awd cars aren't drift cars them why do people drift skylines. After laughing at that a bit I explained every skyline is not awd, and most skyline models through out history have been awd. Said user then said why do people drift subie's, and evo's. After laughing at that for a bit I then explained most cars in drift or D1 events in real life don't have there front axel shafts anymore thus making the car rwd. But any who on to why its stupid to drift awd cars and why its important to only drift with CH tires
If it was up too me and I was PD I would have made a drift specific tire too only be used while in drift lobbys or events and no car that's not RR FR or MR would be allowed for obvious reason's
Tires explained
Alot of the good drifters have online drift comps at some point. So because of that there has to be some rules or some level of equal playing field.
Why?... Well no one is going to give you any credit for your skills when your using tires with more grip, so too equal that out everyone must at least be on the same tire to be equal. And you shouldn't consider yourself a better drifter when your on a better tire then everyone else.
Plus its actually its better too add CH tires to your car your buying to tune for drift before any other mods get added to get use too the handling and what the car is and isn't doing.
Why because if you tune a car on a high grip tire and full tune then add CH tires just too get into a lobby its not going to be very controllable, which is the main excuse people give why they cant comply with the lobby rules and its a BS excuse. Some even say I cant afford too buy them and that is also BS CH tire's cost 1000 game dollars.
CH tires do have the least amount of grip but that does not mean the tires are not driftable, Step your skills up.
Drive trains explained
There is no reason (none) of why you should be drifting any car not rwd. If you can drift you can drift any rwd car with skill and tuning. Any excuse or reason why you cant is BS. If you can really drift you dont need AWD to do so. Not only that but If you understand over and under steer you already know a FR car is the best setup over all because of the cars balance, the weight is in the front with the engine under the hood and the power too the rear. Its not that RR or MR cars cant be drifted or cant be set up as good or better than a FR car but the weight of the motor is over the wheel with power, and those cars are built like that to keep the rear end planted, and to help traction so the balance of it is not as good, so those cars are setup to kinda not lose traction, but the feel of it is driver preference.
AWD setups
First off you dont need a awd car too drift, awd cars still understeer which is not ideal for drifting even when the power is split 10/90.
Why because there is 10% power being put down on the front. For example If you have a 1000hp car 10% of that is 100hp if my math is right.
There are rwd cars that in factory setting makes close or around 100hp and they are driftable. So you would be effectively still be putting enough power down on the front wheels to power a car.
Now what does that equal well when your sliding around a corner and you countersteer the front wheels are still putting power down which is going to cause grip that you dont need to drift. And a un desired snap back on weight transfer. Which is why when you see awd cars in a drift lobby there line or more like the letter j when you line should look more like the letter C. which is also why the awd users tend too be more aggresive and bumping people because your line isn't smooth plus the snap back is harsh. This is why there angles and lines always look harsh and broken. If you want to check this out for yourself just spectate in a lobby where there are alot of people using awd and just watch for a bit you will see this
Now for those who are used to this or have overcome this effect of front power it gives a unfair advantage as one can simply pitch a car side ways at a unreal angle and let the front power grab and correct for you. That is why they use those cars and the smart people know it, and your not fooling anybody. Plus like I said before if you really can drift you don't need AWD too do it. If you cant drift a rwd car and be decent with at least one car, you are not good and you need more practice. "OFFLINE" practice. The whole purpose of AWD is too not lose traction and too have as much grip to all wheels as possible at all times. you are working against what the car was designed too do, and it shows in the line you drift. there is a reason awd subies and evo's rule rally racing and why rwd cars rule drifting.
FF setup
FF or front engine front drive is the worse. There is no throttle steering there is no power to the rear, you have too tail drag on a ebrake to even get sidways in most case's and you cannot apply power to the rear to correct yourself. FF cars are also made to not lose traction and are the worse understeering cars of the bunch. They make good small tight and technical track cars use them for what there good for
Gymkhana and drift are two different things. Do not confuse what ken block does with what what Diago Saito not the same thing.
Do not get mad when you get laughed at for using or complaining about not being able too use a AWD car or FF in a drift lobby. And the more excuse's you make and the more you try too explain why your drifting a awd car is valid the more you will look like you know nothing about cars or drifting too those who actually do.
Look at the winning cars of the last few seasons of D1 or Formula D. You will not find a winner in anything other than RWD car. There is a reason for that. Even if for some strange reason you find a winning awd car, i bet if you find some info on the car it has no front axel shafts at the time of win.
For those who don't like too read the in a nutshell explaination. Save yourself and everybody else online drifting alot of trouble and build your main drift car with CH tires, and RWD platform. It save alot of ramming bumping, arguing, flamming and all the childish BS at bay. No body is going too take your awd subie serious, and nobody is going to respect your skills or change lobby rules too suit your skill level.
If it was up too me and I was PD I would have made a drift specific tire too only be used while in drift lobbys or events and no car that's not RR FR or MR would be allowed for obvious reason's
Tires explained
Alot of the good drifters have online drift comps at some point. So because of that there has to be some rules or some level of equal playing field.
Why?... Well no one is going to give you any credit for your skills when your using tires with more grip, so too equal that out everyone must at least be on the same tire to be equal. And you shouldn't consider yourself a better drifter when your on a better tire then everyone else.
Plus its actually its better too add CH tires to your car your buying to tune for drift before any other mods get added to get use too the handling and what the car is and isn't doing.
Why because if you tune a car on a high grip tire and full tune then add CH tires just too get into a lobby its not going to be very controllable, which is the main excuse people give why they cant comply with the lobby rules and its a BS excuse. Some even say I cant afford too buy them and that is also BS CH tire's cost 1000 game dollars.
CH tires do have the least amount of grip but that does not mean the tires are not driftable, Step your skills up.
Drive trains explained
There is no reason (none) of why you should be drifting any car not rwd. If you can drift you can drift any rwd car with skill and tuning. Any excuse or reason why you cant is BS. If you can really drift you dont need AWD to do so. Not only that but If you understand over and under steer you already know a FR car is the best setup over all because of the cars balance, the weight is in the front with the engine under the hood and the power too the rear. Its not that RR or MR cars cant be drifted or cant be set up as good or better than a FR car but the weight of the motor is over the wheel with power, and those cars are built like that to keep the rear end planted, and to help traction so the balance of it is not as good, so those cars are setup to kinda not lose traction, but the feel of it is driver preference.
AWD setups
First off you dont need a awd car too drift, awd cars still understeer which is not ideal for drifting even when the power is split 10/90.
Why because there is 10% power being put down on the front. For example If you have a 1000hp car 10% of that is 100hp if my math is right.
There are rwd cars that in factory setting makes close or around 100hp and they are driftable. So you would be effectively still be putting enough power down on the front wheels to power a car.
Now what does that equal well when your sliding around a corner and you countersteer the front wheels are still putting power down which is going to cause grip that you dont need to drift. And a un desired snap back on weight transfer. Which is why when you see awd cars in a drift lobby there line or more like the letter j when you line should look more like the letter C. which is also why the awd users tend too be more aggresive and bumping people because your line isn't smooth plus the snap back is harsh. This is why there angles and lines always look harsh and broken. If you want to check this out for yourself just spectate in a lobby where there are alot of people using awd and just watch for a bit you will see this
Now for those who are used to this or have overcome this effect of front power it gives a unfair advantage as one can simply pitch a car side ways at a unreal angle and let the front power grab and correct for you. That is why they use those cars and the smart people know it, and your not fooling anybody. Plus like I said before if you really can drift you don't need AWD too do it. If you cant drift a rwd car and be decent with at least one car, you are not good and you need more practice. "OFFLINE" practice. The whole purpose of AWD is too not lose traction and too have as much grip to all wheels as possible at all times. you are working against what the car was designed too do, and it shows in the line you drift. there is a reason awd subies and evo's rule rally racing and why rwd cars rule drifting.
FF setup
FF or front engine front drive is the worse. There is no throttle steering there is no power to the rear, you have too tail drag on a ebrake to even get sidways in most case's and you cannot apply power to the rear to correct yourself. FF cars are also made to not lose traction and are the worse understeering cars of the bunch. They make good small tight and technical track cars use them for what there good for
Gymkhana and drift are two different things. Do not confuse what ken block does with what what Diago Saito not the same thing.
Do not get mad when you get laughed at for using or complaining about not being able too use a AWD car or FF in a drift lobby. And the more excuse's you make and the more you try too explain why your drifting a awd car is valid the more you will look like you know nothing about cars or drifting too those who actually do.
Look at the winning cars of the last few seasons of D1 or Formula D. You will not find a winner in anything other than RWD car. There is a reason for that. Even if for some strange reason you find a winning awd car, i bet if you find some info on the car it has no front axel shafts at the time of win.
For those who don't like too read the in a nutshell explaination. Save yourself and everybody else online drifting alot of trouble and build your main drift car with CH tires, and RWD platform. It save alot of ramming bumping, arguing, flamming and all the childish BS at bay. No body is going too take your awd subie serious, and nobody is going to respect your skills or change lobby rules too suit your skill level.
I'm tempted to call in a mod to stop this drivel.
