Why you get kicked from racing lobbies

[nasanu]

EDIT: I forgot to mention, that in the room I spend most of my time, if someone from anywhere other then Australia or New Zealand joins they will be kicked. This is not a racism thing, but to reduce lag. So in future, if you see "AUS" in a room title and get kicked straight away, it's nothing personal, it's just to reduce lag.

Hmm.. Well I've been in a lot of the same rooms you have (the other night for example) and I can certainly say that racism is a part of it. Lag might be the leading reason but the comments that sometimes go along with the kicking leave no doubt about it.

Plus ignorance is a part of it also. Players from countries that might not produce much lag at all get booted just because the host does not recognize the flag or does not realize the distances involved. For example Asian flags always get kicked yet we can race with most Asian countries just fine with minimal lag.

On the flip side I quite often get booted on sight from many Japanese rooms. It is really annoying and certainly racist. Just last night I joined a race right as the countdown timer had started. I raced clean with no significant lag and it was a great race. I was booted immediately after. I can read some Japanese and often see the words foreigner and kick together before I get booted.

Funny this topic comes up now as just last night I was asked by an American we he always gets kicked from Aussie rooms. I just told him 'because of lag and the fact that we are a racist country'. Its all too true.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Hmm.. Well I've been in a lot of the same rooms you have (the other night for example) and I can certainly say that racism is a part of it. Lag might be the leading reason but the comments that sometimes go along with the kicking leave no doubt about it.

Plus ignorance is a part of it also. Players from countries that might not produce much lag at all get booted just because the host does not recognize the flag or does not realize the distances involved. For example Asian flags always get kicked yet we can race with most Asian countries just fine with minimal lag.

On the flip side I quite often get booted on sight from many Japanese rooms. It is really annoying and certainly racist. Just last night I joined a race right as the countdown timer had started. I raced clean with no significant lag and it was a great race. I was booted immediately after. I can read some Japanese and often see the words foreigner and kick together before I get booted.

Funny this topic comes up now as just last night I was asked by an American we he always gets kicked from Aussie rooms. I just told him 'because of lag and the fact that we are a racist country'. Its all too true.

If I see problems develop after out-of-region players join, I'll kindly ask them to leave and explain why. Failing that, I'll then boot. If out-of-region players aren't causing any issues, then they probably have a better internet speed/connection than I do, and we play on.

I've also played in a Japanese room. Couldn't understand most of what was typed or said, but a few of them spoke English and could understand me. Sure, a few races were full of Punt the American, but once I got used to their styles, i found I could rope-a-dope the problem kids in the corners, and force them to over-drive themselves into a tizzy. After 3 races, I had developed enough respect/tolerance from them, and ended up making a few friends by the end of the night.

God bless the internet. It's only damnation is the fact that everyone gets to have their voice heard, although not everyone needs to hear it (goes for me as well). I wouldn't say I've witnessed racism yet, but human nature dictates that I shouldn't be shocked when I do. Idiocy knows no geographical boundaries.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

Players from countries that might not produce much lag at all get booted just because the host does not recognize the flag or does not realize the distances involved.

I get kicked all the time for this...

 

[DaDog]

I can only speak of my own personal experiences , but i currently live in Belgium ( thats Europe for those that don't know or are to lazy to use google )

Joining european lobbies , no problems there what so ever

joining American lobbies , again no problem what so ever , we have a good laugh couple of good races and thats it .

Japanese lobbies , i can't understand a word they are saying nor can i read it , but i always enter saying "hiya there , just looking for some clean races hope i am welcome" and 99% of the time there is always someone able to speak / type english stating i am welcome .

Australian lobbies ..... well i don't even bother with them anymore , i had a 2 aussie friends on GT5 and we always had a blast , can't help loving the accent but as far as random lobbies go , well forget about it , you can't even type a word before you get kicked , they don't even let you show them you won't cause any lag , nope nothing , different flag is insta boot ....
Sad thing is IF the name of the lobby would state AUS only i would agree , but when random stuff is in there like pp numers of streets only i would assume everyone is welcome . but i guess not ...




edit ; i had to highlight a part of the message so no assumption could be made that i was generalising ( don't know if that is spelled correctly ) people from down under .

 

[McClarenDesign]

I get kicked all the time for this...

Which is exactly why I wait for problems to develop. Telltale signs usually include long loading times, either entering the lobby or the track, and of coarse glitches.

 

[sporkafife]

Maybe you get kicked from racing lobbies for atrociously butchering the English language to within an inch of it's life.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Racism does play a big role. I usually get harassed and booted because of my PSN name, and im not even african american!

 

[Eric W]

I host a lot of my own clean racing rooms. Unfortunately, the is no possible way to dictate the rules of the room other than to verbally enforce them. I mainly host high-powered supercar racing at Daytona with the HP capped at 1035hp. This doesn't mean that anyone can bring a race car or try to detune a Veyron or X1 but there is no good way to enforce these rules other than verbally enforce. It getting very tiresome to have to constantly repeat yourself too so this may be a reason why many hosts may just resort to kicking someone for choosing the wrong car.

I don't always kick someone from being from a difference country but I have noticed that some foreign flags seem to cause lag in the lobby.

I usually give drivers a warning if the wrong car is chosen but will immediately kick some one for trying to use the X1 or a car that is grossly under powered.

I really wish PD would give us more options for setting up our online lobbies so we can better define the type of racing we are trying to run.

 

[Hayden]

Hmm.. Well I've been in a lot of the same rooms you have (the other night for example) and I can certainly say that racism is a part of it. Lag might be the leading reason but the comments that sometimes go along with the kicking leave no doubt about it.

Plus ignorance is a part of it also. Players from countries that might not produce much lag at all get booted just because the host does not recognize the flag or does not realize the distances involved. For example Asian flags always get kicked yet we can race with most Asian countries just fine with minimal lag.

On the flip side I quite often get booted on sight from many Japanese rooms. It is really annoying and certainly racist. Just last night I joined a race right as the countdown timer had started. I raced clean with no significant lag and it was a great race. I was booted immediately after. I can read some Japanese and often see the words foreigner and kick together before I get booted.

Funny this topic comes up now as just last night I was asked by an American we he always gets kicked from Aussie rooms. I just told him 'because of lag and the fact that we are a racist country'. Its all too true.

I do agree with you in parts, racist comments are certainly not neccesary, regardless of the location of the speaker. I can also see what you mean regarding locations. Sure, some parts of Asia are closer to Australia then New Zealand is, and I agree that they could certainly race just as cleanly as everyone else, but i suppose it's easier to have a strict cut-off that everyone can understand.

I personally try to avoid joining rooms hosted by overseas people, partly for lag and partly because i do enjoy having a relaxed conversation while racing- which can be hard with people half way around the world with different issues and views. From what i've seen however, Australia certainly isn't the only country that displays racism. I'm not sure if you were still in the room when a young boy (no older then 10) came in swearing his head off about Australia and being out-right insulting. I'll keep his nationality to myself, as i'm not pointing fingers at other countries when i'll admit Australia, can be a very racist place.

Australian lobbies ..... well i don't even bother with them anymore , i had a 2 aussie friends on GT5 and we always had a blast , can't help loving the accent but as far as random lobbies go , well forget about it , you can't even type a word before you get kicked , they don't even let you show them you won't cause any lag , nope nothing , different flag is insta boot ....
Sad thing is IF the name of the lobby would state AUS only i would agree , but when random stuff is in there like pp numers of streets only i would assume everyone is welcome . but i guess not ...

The hosts probably just feel it's easier to dispatch any overseas competitors as a rule, rather then taking the time to see if lag will be an issue.
Room names on a whole seems to be a big problem for the GT community. I just wish PD would allow a much longer, more descriptive title so people didn't need to spend so long finding a well restricted room just to be booted on sight.


Please dis-regard this part of my post which was qouted on the next page. I misunderstood the poster.

 

[Ellis]

The OP makes a good point even if it is written poorly, I have been racing with my friends before only to have some berk join the room and start telling me to change the settings.

What like we all did last night

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

i ve been kicked sometimes for being so much faster in practice

you're fast but not that fast

To stay on the topic, I get kicked a lot by getting rammed by behind by someone then hitting someone in front of me and then the people complain and you get kicked. I usually dont defend myself because it's pointless since you cant' watch replay instantly and figure who did what.
Also does it happen to you when you overtake someone for example in a clean room, you're taking inside letting place to the other on the outside and they come and smash you in the inside and says you're the one hitting them, then you get kicked. Happen quite a lot to me. And no i'm not forcing the inside. it's not like he's already on the inside line and I come smash him out of it. It's more like we are neck and neck after a straight and I keep the interior.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

I think you'll all agree with me when i say, that is extremelly racist. No arguments about it, he should be ashamed saying that in a public forum in front of thousands of people.

The post has been misunderstood, he is referring to the poor English used in the OP rather than just in general.

 

[Jar31Lar]

Racism does play a big role. I usually get harassed and booted because of my PSN name, and im not even african american!

Well, (Off-Topic!) the original Aunt Jemima (late 1890's) was a somewhat large African American, as you can see in the attached picture. (I wouldn't kick you 💡)

 

[nasanu]

One thing that PD REALLY NEEDS TO DO is to order rooms by ping and at least have a warning to people entering low ping rooms to inform then of what they are doing.

It is great that it has finally become standard for some sort of ping indicator to be shown but more needs to be done to educate people about how it effects the racing and also what causes it.

If you are more than half way across the planet (or get less than two bars) then don't enter. If you are downloading anything no matter how fast your net connection, don't race at all.

Also if you are a host and people are telling you your voice chat is breaking up then you should not be hosting a room of that size. Online could be a whole lot better if people would follow these rules.

 

[Pit Crew]

To GTplanet forum users.
I apologize for the text speak. Im new to this and will clean up my act, and keep my threads shorter. I was venting because the previous night, at the new "Vmax Ring (my nick name for it) just alot of unpolished drivers in the lobby and most couldnt hold a line, which caused alot of wrecks. Add the fact that some didnt comply to our Stay in PITS rule, which is just a restriction to prevent the rolling Blackscreen Glitch.

 

[Pit Crew]

First of all: Read the AUP.


I've been kicked for various reasons: using the X2010/Veyron, because some guy didn't want his room to be taken over when he left, because I was winning, and because I didn't have a headset. I'm pretty sure there's more, just can't think of any.

Online is just a nut case that has rules written with invisible ink: can't use this, must do that, can't ever do this, must always do that - which is why I try to avoid the racing lobbies or T inany lobby that seems to be "hardcore" and just go for the free roam lobbies.

The X1 and The Veyron have unfair advantages. The X1 is just too fast in any competition that is not using other X1s. The Veyron averages 230 around Daytona, and im pretty sure it does 315-320 at Route X, but all racers should strive to win in equal cars, not try to deliver the slaughter just because they see other drivers in slower cars.

 

[Eric W]

Bringing an X1 to an online lounge where the rest of the people are actually trying to race in normal cars is just plain stupid and will get you booted every time. Being a good driver and wining races fairly should NEVER get you booted, that's just poor hosting. Having a headset shouldn't matter if your obeying the rules of the room.

Unfortunately, the lack of being able to set up a lobby exactly how the host want it is just not possible for every racing scenario hence the rules written with invisible ink.

 

[Pit Crew]

My original intent for the thread was to maybe inform others about some of the issues that can cause a player to get kicked from a racing lobby, though they may not understand why. I ranted and just got to caught up in making or trying to make my point.

 

[Hayden]

The post has been misunderstood, he is referring to the poor English used in the OP rather than just in general.

Ohhh... My bad. But the way he wrote it led me to that conclusion, considering how the OP wasn't talking about why he was kicked from rooms but why others were. Simple misunderstanding, and i apologise 👍

 

[Eric W]

I was only giving my reasons for which I'd kick someone from one of my rooms.

 

[novcze]

Would you join room named "Test, do not join" ?
I don't, yet I have to kick some players everytime I make room named like that.

 

[Eric W]

Would you join room named "Test, do not join" ?
I don't, yet I have to kick some players everytime I make room named like that.

If I see a room labeled "Do not join" then why even bother. Ideally, testing should be done in a private lounge rather that an public lobby especially if you don't want anyone else to join.

 

[mrkevans]

French rooms tend to kick you for the crime of being British, think they forget who rescued their surrendering arses during the war!

 

[berty1979]

mrkevans
French rooms tend to kick you for the crime of being British, think they forget who rescued their surrendering arses during the war!

When I run a public room and a foreigner joins (especially French) the responses of the English lads sometimes makes me cringe.
I get booted from rooms with a French host but have been booted by an English guy once, he didnt have many friends but he couldnt resist when he saw my PSN tag 👎

 

[otakukid96]

I get kicked the most because I use driving aids or politely ask the host to allow driving aids. I don't get why people refuse to allow driving aids. If you don't want to get reported, then allow people to use driving aids. Also, why won't they want to let others play how they want, we let people who don't want to use them not use them, but why are people who want to use them so hated?

 

[Morgoth_666]

I get kicked the most because I use driving aids or politely ask the host to allow driving aids. I don't get why people refuse to allow driving aids. If you don't want to get reported, then allow people to use driving aids. Also, why won't they want to let others play how they want, we let people who don't want to use them not use them, but why are people who want to use them so hated?

Why can't people be allowed to run with a whole field that has to deal with the same physics and the same need to control wheelspin and lock-up with their own feet/fingers? PD would be giving us all a huge help if they let us see all those settings from the room list though. Constantly joining and quitting sucks.

You shouldn't get kicked for asking politely(sadly some hosts have no patience), but if they say no then that should be fine. It's their room and they have every right to set its rules. Find another or learn to enjoy the enhanced fun of balancing the car yourself.

 

[mrkevans]

I get kicked the most because I use driving aids or politely ask the host to allow driving aids. I don't get why people refuse to allow driving aids. If you don't want to get reported, then allow people to use driving aids. Also, why won't they want to let others play how they want, we let people who don't want to use them not use them, but why are people who want to use them so hated?

They make you around 2 or 3 seconds a lap faster, not very fair if you are using them against other drivers who are not.

 

[McClarenDesign]

They make you around 2 or 3 seconds a lap faster, no very fair if you are using them against other drivers who are not.

Is when you can't use a wheel. Without a wheel, I'm consistantly 3-7 seconds slower. Aids help, imo, to aid consistant driving for DS3 users.

Traction control, SRF, etc are just more tools in the toolbox.

 

[Morgoth_666]

Is when you can't use a wheel. Without a wheel, I'm consistantly 3-7 seconds slower. Aids help, imo, to aid consistant driving for DS3 users.

Traction control, SRF, etc are just more tools in the toolbox.

If you are fully used to your control type there is very little difference wheel vs pad. Some people naturally are better one way but most of the time it's not a big factor, except perhaps in the X2010.

Controller users already get some aids that wheel users don't in order to equalize. It is impossible to understeer as badly with a pad for example(because it is much easier to turn too much with an unassisted thumbstick). I'm not sure if it's just speed sensitive steering angle or if there are more things going on as well.

 

[otakukid96]

Is when you can't use a wheel. Without a wheel, I'm consistently 3-7 seconds slower. Aids help, imo, to aid consistent driving for DS3 users.

Traction control, SRF, etc are just more tools in the toolbox.

Yeah, I'm too poor to afford a wheel so I can't have that advantage of more precise acceleration control. You are right, driving aids help keep controller users competitive, and it really bugs me when I can hear peoples wheels in through their mics, then they call me a noob when I say that I can here their wheels and ask for driving aids so I can keep competitive.