Will General Motors declare bankruptcy?

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The interiors are definitely the low point of the new style Nissans. It's not even a fair comparison. :lol:

Funny thing about the truthaboutcars article... the Italians? About the fish stinking from the head on down? Are we talking about Fiat? :lol:
 
put down the crack pipe

some of your facts are so far off base i wonder if all your information is from second hand sources.
*the solstice is a limited production model. they arent making as many as the market would want, doesnt mean its a home run
*the BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king
*GMs engines are just as powerful because they are bigger (capacity) most of the time. its a lot easier to make horsepower with a bigger engine than a smaller one
*europe is not running scared of the Z06 coz it still has a subpar interior for a $70000 car. it only underlines/ reinforces the prejudicial notion that american cars are cheap. but it is a helluva performance bargain, especially compared to its european rivals.
*youll be hard pressed to find regular gas that is 83 octane anywhere in the US. try very high altitudes only. most places its 87.
*most well equipped/ good bargain malibus use GMs ancient pushrod engine for the most part. do you know when the japanese and euros stopped using pushrods? a long long time ago.
*GMs problems with its cars is more its "perceived quality" than actual quality. JD power has GM better than most imports. but when you get in a car and its got that nasty mouse fur headliner, you immediately think "cheap" and begin to wonder where else theyve cut corners.
*best american SUV does not = best SUV.
*chevrolet has only just taken the ranking of best selling nameplate from ford after about 20 years.

i could go on. but there is some truth to what youre saying so i'll spare you the crucifiction
 
I take it nobody's sure how far in debt GM is supposed to be right now? or how many cars they've sold in the last year? and does that debt figure include how much money is out in loans?
 
GM: NOT SO FAST, TOYOTA: A global sales surge keeps us ahead, Wagoner reports
Source: Detroit Free Press www.freep.com
Written by Tom Walsh
January 7, 2005

They may want to hold off on the party hats at Toyota Motor Corp.

General Motors Corp. Chairman Rick Wagoner said Friday that GM sold nearly 9.2 million cars and trucks worldwide in 2005, the most since 1978, casting doubt on forecasts that Toyota Motor Corp. might surpass GM as the world's automotive sales leader this year.

For the first time in its history, GM sold more cars outside the United States than inside. Not only did GM emerge as the market leader in fast-growing China, it also posted all-time sales highs in Latin America and Europe. The result was a 2% increase in global vehicle sales, despite a 4.3% drop in U.S. sales.

Toyota, the world's No. 2 automaker, sold 8.1 million vehicles last year and recently projected that it will build 9.06 million cars and trucks in 2006, leading to widespread speculation that it would blow past GM this year. Until the final 2005 numbers were tallied, it had been 27 years since GM sold 9 million vehicles in a year.

But GM's strong growth overseas suggests that Toyota can't count on being fitted for the crown just yet.

"We had a good sales year on balance around the world," Wagoner said in an interview with a small group of journalists. "Chevy is the big dog," he added, noting that Chevrolet sales surpassed 4 million units last year, up 180,000 units over 2004, "so that brand strategy is feeling pretty good."

Most recent headlines about GM have focused on its abysmal financial performance in North America, its weak credit rating and sagging stock price. But Michael Robinet, vice president of global forecasting services for CSM Worldwide Inc., said GM deserves some credit for its gains abroad. "I do think they've done a good job in South America, they've cleaned up some of their European issues and done a decent job in Asia," he said.

GM boosted sales 35% to 665,390 vehicles in China last year, surpassing Volkswagen AG to become the top-selling automaker in the world's fastest-growing auto market.

While pleasantly surprised at some of the final sales tallies from abroad, Wagoner acknowledged that he still faces the daunting task of turning around GM's car and truck operations in North America, where the company lost $4.8 billion during the first nine months of 2005.

Bankruptcy? No way

GM's losses, its slumping share of U.S. sales and the bankruptcy filing of its largest supplier, Delphi Corp., have triggered the downgrade of GM's credit rating to junk status and ignited fears that the company might join Delphi in bankruptcy court.

"We have to get that turned around," Wagoner said.

"We don't see bankruptcy as a winning strategy in any way, shape or form," he said. "It's not a good plan, and it is not constructive for there to be a lot of speculation about it. It doesn't help sales, and we don't have any intention of doing it."

He said he hadn't seen any analytical data to indicate consumers are shying away from GM products because of bankruptcy talk. "But it doesn't help," he said, adding, "We've got to get the business fixed. Then it will subside."

Wagoner said GM will get a lift this year with the launch of new large SUV models such as the Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe and the Cadillac Escalade EXT.

Sales of the big, high-profit-margin SUVs took a tumble in 2005 -- falling 150,000 units -- due to a surge in gas prices and an aging product lineup.

GM will also introduce several crossover vehicles and will be giving the Saturn brand a makeover with the new Sky roadster and Aura midsize sedan.

Overall, he said, he expects 2006 auto sales to remain strong in Asia, while being "flat to downish a little in the U.S. and Europe."

U.S. share a question

He would not predict whether GM will be able to halt or reverse its slide in U.S. market share, which fell to 26.2% last year from 27.5% in 2004.

A big unknown casting a pall over GM's future profitability is what will happen to Delphi, which is seeking deep wage and benefit cuts from its labor unions.

The unions have threatened to strike if Delphi gets a bankruptcy judge to void its labor contracts. A Delphi strike could cripple GM production in mere days.

Wagoner said in late November that GM would become actively involved in three-way talks with Delphi and the UAW that could result in buyouts or early retirements for some Delphi workers, many of whom were GM employees before GM spun off its parts unit as a separate company in 1999.

Progress is being made in the complex Delphi talks, Wagoner said Friday, but he cautioned, "It's going to take a while."

Asked if the Delphi situation could be resolved in the next few months, he refused to predict a specific timetable except to say, "We're not going be sitting around talking about this a year from now."

Wagoner said he's confident that GM's cost-cutting plan, combined with new product launches, will produce an improvement in the profit picture, hopefully as early as this year's first quarter.
 
neanderthal
put down the crack pipe

some of your facts are so far off base i wonder if all your information is from second hand sources.
*the solstice is a limited production model. they arent making as many as the market would want, doesnt mean its a home run
*the BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king
*GMs engines are just as powerful because they are bigger (capacity) most of the time. its a lot easier to make horsepower with a bigger engine than a smaller one
*europe is not running scared of the Z06 coz it still has a subpar interior for a $70000 car. it only underlines/ reinforces the prejudicial notion that american cars are cheap. but it is a helluva performance bargain, especially compared to its european rivals.
*youll be hard pressed to find regular gas that is 83 octane anywhere in the US. try very high altitudes only. most places its 87.
*most well equipped/ good bargain malibus use GMs ancient pushrod engine for the most part. do you know when the japanese and euros stopped using pushrods? a long long time ago.
*GMs problems with its cars is more its "perceived quality" than actual quality. JD power has GM better than most imports. but when you get in a car and its got that nasty mouse fur headliner, you immediately think "cheap" and begin to wonder where else theyve cut corners.
*best american SUV does not = best SUV.
*chevrolet has only just taken the ranking of best selling nameplate from ford after about 20 years.

i could go on. but there is some truth to what youre saying so i'll spare you the crucifiction


- The Soltice is not a limited production model, just to many people ordered them and they can't keep up with the demand. The plant that produces them are working 3 shifts to fullfill orders. The Soltice is a hit and here to stay.

- The M5 is over rated as with most BMW's, people automatically assume BMW M-series = God. There is no doubt they are fast, good in the handeling department, but honestly look at some other cars. Hell give Lexus a year or two and they will build something to beat it.

- So the 2.0L Ecotec with 205hp is just a big engine? Or better yet the 260hp 2.0L Ecotec? GM only puts bigger motors in their cars because of something called marketing, people in America buy cars with big engines because numbers are everything.

- Europe should be running scared, the Z06 has proven itself around the 'Ring and it has beat out a lot of European cars. I would have to say the new Z06 is up there on the best cars ever made.

- I can get 83 octane gas at a bunch of stations around me, hell the gas station I go to (a BP) has it.

- Pushrods does not equal crap. Pushrods work, why mess with something that isn't broke?

- People think GM still has bad quality because back in the day they did, I won't argue that. But now-a-days they are reliable and have quailty in them.

- Many reviews are saying the 900's are some of the best trucks and SUV's ever built.

- Still chevy is the best selling, it doesn't matter if they just took it. Just like Toyota is soon to be the best selling company even though they are just going to take it.
 
when i say limited production (solstice) i mean its not something GM was thinking would sell in the hundred of thousands. therefore they planned to sell a small number (i dont know why 60000 comes to mind) but realised that they guessed low on demand. if it was planned to sell more than that they wouldna assembled it at the vette factory which has limited output anyway. theres any number of other locations they could have assembled it to get huge numbers.

i liken it to the whole scion thing. toyota didnt want to embarass itself with a line that would possibly flop so they started where they knew theyd be strong, california and the west coast, and planned to sell only 100000 odd cars at first. that they exceeded the planned production doesnt mean that the cars are a homerun. it means more people wanted them than they thought. its a homerun from an economic standpoint because the more cars they make over budgeted sales, the more profit they make.
want an example of a homerun; ford mustang. no rebates, no incentives, waiting list for the most part (for V8s) and ford is making as many as they possibly can. its not a limited production model and its selling well beyond expectations.
how about the 300? same thing. selling more than anticipated and production was not set to be an artificially low number.

BlazinXtreme
the M5 is overated as with most BMWs......!!!
now YOU put down the crack pipe. BMW pretty much invented the modern sports sedan category in 1967 and has been refining and honing it since then. YOU may think they are overated, but review after review after review after comparison after comparison still finds the BMWs to be the top pick, whether its the 3 series or the 5. its only recently that the 3 has come under intense pressure mostly from the G35, and the 5 has faltered somewhat. the M3 was so far ahead of the game its competitors had to resort to using V8 power to catch up. cadillac was so far behind with the catera that the had to resort to going up a size bigger to compete when they replaced it. the CTS is pretty much (E39) 5 series size. thats a shark among minnows, and it still gets beat. making a bigger car (a better value) is a great way to gain a competitive edge when you're way way behind.

you might not like them, but most of the car magazine editors still do when they compare them to the competition. nuff said.

yes the 2.0 liter ecotec is big in that segment. most of the imports are smaller. nissan and honda and toyota all use 1.8 liter or smaller engines. kia uses 1.4 and 1.6 liter engines (rio) and 1.6 and 2.0 (cerato/ spectra) only the sentra SE-R with the 2.5 and the lancer "ralliart" with the 2.4 have "big" engines from the imports. (mazda being a ford subsidiary doesnt count!) only the recent generation lancer has an engine that big.
2.0 liter, 260 hp with a power adder. im supposed to be impressed? the lancer was there ten years ago. thats right, back in the early/ mid nineties.

the vette is certainly king of performance per dollar. its probably performance king period for normal people who cant afford ultra expensive cars. and even for those who can. but it still has a subpar interior for its price. its only fault/ achilles heel/ flaw/ foible/ susceptability/ weakness/ impairment whatever. that makes it hard for people who buy for prestige to consider it as a worthy competitor to a porsche. most people who buy porsches are rich badge snobs, not performance inclined people. this is why it gets constantly derided.

its like the M3s and M5s. please, unwashed masses, buy em. buy em all. the vettes, vipers, the skylines, the porsches and ferraris. those of us who dont want to pay such a ludicrous price for them will appreciate them when you turn them in for the next "must- have" model.

in all my travels in the continental Us i have yet to see a station selling 83. thats ; cali, arizona, oregon, washington, nevada, new mexico, dc, texas, arkansas, rhode island, pennsylvania, virginia, west virgina, ohio, michigan, mass, connecticut, georgia, new york and im sure theres more. closest i came up on was 85 at high altitide in new mexico. of course i didnt visit every station. i hardly think its availability is widespread.

pushrods are old technology. like typewriters.

did i say GM has bad quality or bad "percieved quality?"
 
now YOU put down the crack pipe. BMW pretty much invented the modern sports sedan category in 1967 and has been refining and honing it since then. YOU may think they are overated, but review after review after review after comparison after comparison still finds the BMWs to be the top pick, whether its the 3 series or the 5. its only recently that the 3 has come under intense pressure mostly from the G35, and the 5 has faltered somewhat. the M3 was so far ahead of the game its competitors had to resort to using V8 power to catch up. cadillac was so far behind with the catera that the had to resort to going up a size bigger to compete when they replaced it. the CTS is pretty much (E39) 5 series size. thats a shark among minnows, and it still gets beat. making a bigger car (a better value) is a great way to gain a competitive edge when you're way way behind.

you might not like them, but most of the car magazine editors still do when they compare them to the competition. nuff said.

Did I say they were bad? No not at all I just think everyone discredits everything else because of them. Like I said Lexus will be the first to build a better car, and as you said the G35 is close. BMW's aren't gods.

And I can't believe you mentioned the Catera, it wasn't even a Caddy in any sense except the badge slapped on it. The CTS is far superior to it and to many cars I must saw, I just don't think people like the fact there are good Caddies now apposed to the medioker Caddies from the 90's.

yes the 2.0 liter ecotec is big in that segment. most of the imports are smaller. nissan and honda and toyota all use 1.8 liter or smaller engines. kia uses 1.4 and 1.6 liter engines (rio) and 1.6 and 2.0 (cerato/ spectra) only the sentra SE-R with the 2.5 and the lancer "ralliart" with the 2.4 have "big" engines from the imports. (mazda being a ford subsidiary doesnt count!) only the recent generation lancer has an engine that big.
2.0 liter, 260 hp with a power adder. im supposed to be impressed? the lancer was there ten years ago. thats right, back in the early/ mid nineties.

Meh whatever the SRT-4 and SS/Redline are still some of the best sport compacts on the market. And for me to admit the SRT-4 is good takes a miracle. And the RSX, the supposed best sport compact has a 2.0 201hp engine, so that's big? Please.

the vette is certainly king of performance per dollar. its probably performance king period for normal people who cant afford ultra expensive cars. and even for those who can. but it still has a subpar interior for its price. its only fault/ achilles heel/ flaw/ foible/ susceptability/ weakness/ impairment whatever. that makes it hard for people who buy for prestige to consider it as a worthy competitor to a porsche. most people who buy porsches are rich badge snobs, not performance inclined people. this is why it gets constantly derided.

The interior has nothing to do with performance, people who are buying the Z06 care more about owning one of the best performance cars on the market then anything.

in all my travels in the continental Us i have yet to see a station selling 83. thats ; cali, arizona, oregon, washington, nevada, new mexico, dc, texas, arkansas, rhode island, pennsylvania, virginia, west virgina, ohio, michigan, mass, connecticut, georgia, new york and im sure theres more. closest i came up on was 85 at high altitide in new mexico. of course i didnt visit every station. i hardly think its availability is widespread.

It's big in Michigan, sold under the name economy fuel.

pushrods are old technology. like typewriters.

We use a lot of old technology that work don't we? If it works then don't bother it.
 
a6m5
What year Altima though? Mine's '04. You know, the one right before they corrected the interior. Altima is possibly the worst Japanese midsize sedan right now, so I don't know if comparison to Altima says much about G6. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I drive one and you drive one, so you know Altima is not as refined as other imports(I do love the engine though).

Its not my Altima, I drive a Jetta... But shes an '04 2.5S with the cloth interior, 4-speed auto, and the goldish silver exterior... I hate the car for the most part, but I would agree that the 2.5 is rather punchy for a four banger.
 
I don't think Toyota sees it like they are taking down GM. Toyota-GM has been partners for very long time. They have a lot of respect for each other. Toyota will be very proud to be the world's #1 auto maker some day, but I really don't think Toyota is looking at it like they are defeating GM.

YSSMAN
but I would agree that the 2.5 is rather punchy for a four banger.
Really good balance between power and fuel mileage. I love that engine. :)
 
I don't think Toyota sees it like they are taking down GM. Toyota-GM has been partners for very long time. They have a lot of respect for each other. Toyota will be very proud to be the world's #1 auto maker some day, but I really don't think Toyota is looking at it like they are defeating GM.

GM seems kinda bitter about it, but they knew it was going to happen. Like I've said I'm surprised it didn't happen much sooner.
 
neanderthal
*the solstice is a limited production model. they arent making as many as the market would want, doesnt mean its a home run
I know. Porsche doesn't make any money off of it's cars.
neanderthal
*the BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king
Yes, you are right. The E39 BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king. Oh wait, you were talking about the E60...Can't control laughter... I can't think of one magazine that said the E60 was any better than the E39. Faster yes, better, no.
neanderthal
*GMs engines are just as powerful because they are bigger (capacity) most of the time. its a lot easier to make horsepower with a bigger engine than a smaller one
So what? Bigger displacement engines also last a lot longer than revvy smaller ones. I challenge you to make an old Dodge 440 not work.
neanderthal
*europe is not running scared of the Z06 coz it still has a subpar interior for a $70000 car. it only underlines/ reinforces the prejudicial notion that american cars are cheap. but it is a helluva performance bargain, especially compared to its european rivals.
And I'm sure TVR's are known for their interiors.
neanderthal
*youll be hard pressed to find regular gas that is 83 octane anywhere in the US. try very high altitudes only. most places its 87.
True.
neanderthal
*most well equipped/ good bargain malibus use GMs ancient pushrod engine for the most part. do you know when the japanese and euros stopped using pushrods? a long long time ago.
So? Pushrods are cheaper to make.
neanderthal
*GMs problems with its cars is more its "perceived quality" than actual quality. JD power has GM better than most imports. but when you get in a car and its got that nasty mouse fur headliner, you immediately think "cheap" and begin to wonder where else theyve cut corners.
True again.
neanderthal
*best american SUV does not = best SUV.
Tell me what other country is big on SUV's enough to produce a better one.
neanderthal
*chevrolet has only just taken the ranking of best selling nameplate from ford after about 20 years.
So? They are still 1st. And remember, Ford just completely redid their model line-up. Chevy has been peddling more or less the same cars for 3 years.
 
Tell me what other country is big on SUV's enough to produce a better one.

Toyota has the Sequoia but I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road, there is also that big ugly offensive looking Infiniti that was named the worst car of 2005. But other then that there aren't many big SUV's...unless you count the G-wagon from MB, but that's rediculiously expensive.
 
BlazinXtreme
Toyota has the Sequoia but I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road, there is also that big ugly offensive looking Infiniti that was named the worst car of 2005. But other then that there aren't many big SUV's...unless you count the G-wagon from MB, but that's rediculiously expensive.
Yeah, but those are (or were) all sold in America. So if the GMT 900 was better than them in America, they would be better than them in whatever other country they were sold in. Maybe the Japan spec Mitsubishi Montero? Those have always been pretty good SUV's. Good off road too.
 
The only non American SUV not sold in America I can think of are some of the Land Rovers, but once again I think they are to expensive to even be considered. And still they are part of Ford Motor Corp. aren't they?
 
BlazinXtreme
The only non American SUV not sold in America I can think of are some of the Land Rovers, but once again I think they are to expensive to even be considered. And still they are part of Ford Motor Corp. aren't they?
The only Land Rover sold in other countries but not here is the Defender 90, and that is not exactly the pinnacle of refinement, especially when the Hummer H1 makes it look downright crude in comparison.
 
Toronado
The only Land Rover sold in other countries but not here is the Defender 90, and that is not exactly the pinnacle of refinement, especially when the Hummer H1 makes it look downright crude in comparison.

For the H1 to make anything look crude, the other vehicle must just be down right hideous. But honestly I think the best big SUV's come from the US, and I think that's what you were saying as well.
 
BlazinXtreme
For the H1 to make anything look crude, the other vehicle must just be down right hideous. But honestly I think the best big SUV's come from the US, and I think that's what you were saying as well.
Well, you know how the H1 is a street Humvee? Well, a Defender 90 is the street version of the Defender 90. It has no allusions of being anything besides a military vehicle, and as such it's interior isn't exactly...classy. It's not because it's a bad SUV, and off-road it can go places the H1 can't even go, but they never tried to make it refined, so it isn't.
At your other point, I'm saying the best SUV's are sold in the U.S. (not nescesarily made by U.S. companies, for there are a couple of very good European SUV's like the Volvo XC90 and Porsche Cayenne/VW Tuaoreg), because they just aren't common enough in other countries to merit the comment neanderthal brought up. Other than, say, the Tuareg V10 turbodiesel and the previously mentioned Pajero, there isn't an SUV around sold only outside of America that can touch one sold in America, if only because there are very few SUV's sold anywhere but America.
 
1) I went to Sunoco today to put gas in my Jetta, they had 83, 87, 89, and 91 grade fuels available for purchase. Most places around here usually go as low as 87, but they sell it nonetheless...

2) I dont know if I would call the M5 the undesputed sport-sedan king. If you want a computer driven car that takes suggestions, sure the M5 might be your ride... But when you are in a category with the CTS-V, STS-V, S4, RS4, E55, CLS55, and S-Type R... Thats tough competition...

3) Pushrod enigines are still around because they are cheap to build, cheap 9and easy) to maintain, and still produce similar power and fuel numbers of other OHC and DOHC engines out there. GM had said in the past that they were going to stay comitted to OHV powertrains "well into the future," updating them to stay compeditive...

4) The Tahoe, in general, only has to worry about the Pilot, Sequoia, and Armada to compete with when it comes to foreign SUVs... Only the Escalade or Yukon need to worry about the Touraeg/Cayenne/Q7, LR3, Range Rover, X5, ML500, Land Cruiser, LX470, GX470, or QX56... But most of those vehicles (particularly the BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti models) are getting old, and arent due for an update for a few more years...
 
BlazinXtreme
- The M5 is over rated as with most BMW's, people automatically assume BMW M-series = God. There is no doubt they are fast, good in the handeling department, but honestly look at some other cars. Hell give Lexus a year or two and they will build something to beat it.
Lexus? :lol:

Sorry, I love 'em, but I highly doubt Lexus will take the crown away from the M5. The GS430 is great, but I hardly consider it M5 Competitor right now.

Right now, Europe is the King of the Sport Sedan. RS4s, M5s, CLS55 AMGs, etc.

What Lexus may build to beat it may not end up being a Sport Sedan and they've already got that new supercar their planning.

And hey, if the new M5 is the same as the old, just faster, then that's still cool as the E39s were some sick machines. :drool:
 
I honestly don't think the M5 is as good as everyone says it is, is it at the top? Maybe, if it isn't it's close, but there are many other cars right up there with it.
 
Am I the only one thinking of Audi S8's, and RS-6's? Mercedes SL65 AMG?
Bentley Continental GT? are we talking in a price range? Or, what the actual best?
 
Disturbed07
Am I the only one thinking of Audi S8's, and RS-6's? Mercedes SL65 AMG?
Bentley Continental GT? are we talking in a price range? Or, what the actual best?

I would consider cars that are in its class though, not really everything with horsepower near it.

@Blazin', you gotta admit, there aren't many Sport Sedans that are that close to E60.
 
The Audi, the Mercedes, they are all better or close to being better. The CTS-V is a great car but really it compared more to the M3.
 
GM has it's problems, there is no question about that. But if you look at how far their cars and trucks have come even in the last three years, it is evident (atleast in the United States) that things are looking better for the General.

Yeah theyve been taking chassis from other manufacturers and engines. Hell half your new cars are basically what opel have been giving us for years.

To quote random websites that literally have no push or pull in the industry is complete crap. Word for word, one can easily see the bias against GM, and therefore all things GM... I would suggest looking for actual sources that actually has contacts within the company, or people who have been writing about cars for 50 years

The truth about cars authors used to work for GM ford and another big american car company. They have built and designed cars since the 70's. More than reliablea nd worthy to comment.

Poverty: You of all people have no idea what the hell is even going on at GM North America, nor should you even concern yourself about it. Ive read plenty of your posts, and it has been easy to recognise that you are indeed biased against anything and everything that comes out of an American factory, espically that of GM's product lines.

You are a self confessed GM fanboy. You dont like people telling you the negatives about GM. For anything negative someone says you and blazing have an answer. Im not a american basher so stop calling me one. I like plenty american cars but people always talk more about the negatives than postives.Live with it.

Concerning yourself about the GMT900 from your "Spider Hole" in Euope is completely irrational and really is only going to get you in trouble as you know nothing about the trucks themselves... Outside of maybe Sweeden and US Embassys across Europe, you would probably never see one except in a magazine.
Get me in trouble with who? Im not breaking any rules.

I see my fair share of american cars that have been imported actually.

And why shouldnt I comment on the GMT900 line? Am I not allowed?

f there is anything that GM is doing right, it is offering a great ammount of value and performance at great price points. Well equipped Malibus are often thousands less than similarly equipped Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys, and save you money on gas and insurance costs as well...

Cheaper insurance because no one wants to steal them. :lol:

Hell, even the Solstice GXP is going direct-injection next year with it's Turbocharged 260HP ECOTEC I4.

Using some more GM opel technology I see.

Motor Trend allready called it the best American SUV available, and is better than the majority of it's European and Japanese competition as well...

:lol: Nooooooooooooo. Wow what a comment. So what is this uber american SUV that only you must have heard of that pawns everything else?

nd what is with the complaints about engine technology in the GM products? They are just as powerful and as efficent as many of their compeditors, and more often than not, can actually build better powerplants that their foreign rivals. GM can still build V8s that outdo those from Nissan, Toyota, Ford, DC, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, etc... with great fuel efficency and great power. The Vortech lineup is getting a revamp this year, and the LS2 and LS7 powerplants have proven themselves over, and over again as some of the best V8s available in the world.

Yeah but you have like 7 liter V8's. Its easy to make power with big displacement. Audi RS4 4.2 V8. Best V8 in the world. Then there are the ferrari V8's. With the amount of V8's you guys make I would expewct one or two of them to be good. :lol:

The new Z06 is the monster that they promised it would be, and it has Europe running scared.
Hold your roll there muchacho. We still have the likes of TVR and a couple other low production super car makers. I mean the Z06 was only like 1 sec faster than a porsche GT3 that has 120hp less.

The Buick Lucerne is another car that proves that Buick knows who they are selling to, and builds a car for them. Its quiet and comfortable, and with the optional V8, it does set itself apart from the Volvo S80 and Toyota Avalon.

The volvo is ancient now and the toyota is a toyota. I would hope that its better.

How bout those V-series Cadillacs, huh? The CTS-V is still the king of the sport sedan crop, the XLR-V has the SL55 in it's sights, and the STS-V is a car worthy to be an option against the M5, CLS55/E55, and S6.

HAHA this is nearly as good as your SUV comment. The CTS-V is not the king of sedans as in a comparo to the M3 it lost even though the M3 had like 60hp less. Compare the CTS-V to the AUDI RS4 and it gets completly and utterly annhailated. The CTS-V is not a handler bas otherwise it would have beat the M3.Oh and that god awful interior.

Get any european mag that has reviewed the xlr-v and they all say this. "A crap version of the mercedes SL55 amg."

The S6 Isnt even sold anymore so you must be comparing it to the old one. The new one will take the STS-V for a walk.The E55 AMG and equivelant CLS is also better but the M5 is in an entire different class. It can keep up with a ferrari F430.

Only the Escalade or Yukon need to worry about the Touraeg/Cayenne/Q7, LR3, Range Rover, X5, ML500, Land Cruiser, LX470, GX470, or QX56... But most of those vehicles (particularly the BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti models) are getting old, and arent due for an update for a few more years...

The escalade is crap in corners. Case closed. And dont even try and say it isnt. (thsi is for the old one. Dont know about the new on as yet)
 
Yeah theyve been taking chassis from other manufacturers and engines. Hell half your new cars are basically what opel have been giving us for years.

How many times must I tell you that Opel is GM, GM doesn't take them, they use them because GM owns Opel, so its a GM company.

The truth about cars authors used to work for GM ford and another big american car company. They have built and designed cars since the 70's. More than reliablea nd worthy to comment.

They are just rantings because they probably were fired or something from one of the big three for doing crappy work, people get disgrutal when they get fired because of their own fault.

You are a self confessed GM fanboy. You dont like people telling you the negatives about GM. For anything negative someone says you and blazing have an answer. Im not a american basher so stop calling me one. I like plenty american cars but people always talk more about the negatives than postives.Live with it.

GM's downfalls include:
- The J-body disaster
- The new mini vans
- The Aztek
- The UAW
- Taking so long to bring out the GMT900's

It's well documented that I spot flaws with GM and that I will say there is something bad about them, and I don't say they are the best in everything. The only thing GM is the best at currently is the sports car catagory with the Vette.

But yes you hate American cars, but then again you can't really say anything because you think you are better then C/D which is just a stupid comment.

I see my fair share of american cars that have been imported actually.

And why shouldnt I comment on the GMT900 line? Am I not allowed?

I doubt Europe will get the GMT900's because there is no market for them.

Using some more GM opel technology I see.

GM using GM technology.

Nooooooooooooo. Wow what a comment. So what is this uber american SUV that only you must have heard of that pawns everything else?

The 900's are some of the best SUV's ever built, give it up, you are wrong and the magazines are right.

Yeah but you have like 7 liter V8's. Its easy to make power with big displacement. Audi RS4 4.2 V8. Best V8 in the world. Then there are the ferrari V8's. With the amount of V8's you guys make I would expewct one or two of them to be good.

Actually the best V8 in the world is the Chevy 350, it has been for a long time.

Hold your roll there muchacho. We still have the likes of TVR and a couple other low production super car makers. I mean the Z06 was only like 1 sec faster than a porsche GT3 that has 120hp less.

And the GT3 is about a 100k more then the Z06 as well, I would expect it to be better.

The CTS-V is not a handler bas otherwise it would have beat the M3.Oh and that god awful interior.

Stop being stupid, the CTS-V is quite good in the corners. Once again your thick head thinks that American = piss poor handling. But that is wrong. The interior isn't bad either, but that is an excuse European's use when they can't find actual faults with the car.

The escalade is crap in corners. Case closed. And dont even try and say it isnt. (thsi is for the old one. Dont know about the new on as yet)

Retarded comment of the year right there. The Escalade was never made to race, it's made to be an ulta luxery SUV that has one of the nicest drivetrains I've seen. If you race an Escalade you deserve to be laughed at.
 
Stop being stupid, the CTS-V is quite good in the corners. Once again your thick head thinks that American = piss poor handling. But that is wrong. The interior isn't bad either, but that is an excuse European's use when they can't find actual faults with the car.

So why did it lose to a car that was considerabley less powerful than it?

And the GT3 is about a 100k more then the Z06 as well, I would expect it to be better.
Only because porsche knows it can get away with that pricing. It doesnt cost them anywhere near that figure to make it. And its not like over 100k more expensive than the z06. maybe more about 40k.

Actually the best V8 in the world is the Chevy 350, it has been for a long time.

Evidence?Post some figures.
 
So why did it lose to a car that was considerabley less powerful than it?

Did I say the CTS-V was better? No I said it was good, not better...big difference.

Only because porsche knows it can get away with that pricing. It doesnt cost them anywhere near that figure to make it. And its not like over 100k more expensive than the z06. maybe more about 40k.

Still the GT3 is more expensive, a lot more expensive. The Z06 is the best buy for performance vs. price. There is no questioning that. But who cares, the Z06 > GT3, plain and simple. Who cares what motor it uses, take whatever road is the best.

Evidence? Post some figures.

Look at how many people use it in hot rods, trucks, etc. The Chevy 350 is the most popular engine ever, it must have something right with it right? Might not be the best "modern-ish" engine because it doesn't have computer gizmos...well some do alla older Vette, but its definatly the most popular. I guess I didn't word myself correctly before.

But I guess the best engines right now can be found here...https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74013
 
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