neanderthalput down the crack pipe
some of your facts are so far off base i wonder if all your information is from second hand sources.
*the solstice is a limited production model. they arent making as many as the market would want, doesnt mean its a home run
*the BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king
*GMs engines are just as powerful because they are bigger (capacity) most of the time. its a lot easier to make horsepower with a bigger engine than a smaller one
*europe is not running scared of the Z06 coz it still has a subpar interior for a $70000 car. it only underlines/ reinforces the prejudicial notion that american cars are cheap. but it is a helluva performance bargain, especially compared to its european rivals.
*youll be hard pressed to find regular gas that is 83 octane anywhere in the US. try very high altitudes only. most places its 87.
*most well equipped/ good bargain malibus use GMs ancient pushrod engine for the most part. do you know when the japanese and euros stopped using pushrods? a long long time ago.
*GMs problems with its cars is more its "perceived quality" than actual quality. JD power has GM better than most imports. but when you get in a car and its got that nasty mouse fur headliner, you immediately think "cheap" and begin to wonder where else theyve cut corners.
*best american SUV does not = best SUV.
*chevrolet has only just taken the ranking of best selling nameplate from ford after about 20 years.
i could go on. but there is some truth to what youre saying so i'll spare you the crucifiction
now YOU put down the crack pipe. BMW pretty much invented the modern sports sedan category in 1967 and has been refining and honing it since then. YOU may think they are overated, but review after review after review after comparison after comparison still finds the BMWs to be the top pick, whether its the 3 series or the 5. its only recently that the 3 has come under intense pressure mostly from the G35, and the 5 has faltered somewhat. the M3 was so far ahead of the game its competitors had to resort to using V8 power to catch up. cadillac was so far behind with the catera that the had to resort to going up a size bigger to compete when they replaced it. the CTS is pretty much (E39) 5 series size. thats a shark among minnows, and it still gets beat. making a bigger car (a better value) is a great way to gain a competitive edge when you're way way behind.BlazinXtremethe M5 is overated as with most BMWs......!!!
now YOU put down the crack pipe. BMW pretty much invented the modern sports sedan category in 1967 and has been refining and honing it since then. YOU may think they are overated, but review after review after review after comparison after comparison still finds the BMWs to be the top pick, whether its the 3 series or the 5. its only recently that the 3 has come under intense pressure mostly from the G35, and the 5 has faltered somewhat. the M3 was so far ahead of the game its competitors had to resort to using V8 power to catch up. cadillac was so far behind with the catera that the had to resort to going up a size bigger to compete when they replaced it. the CTS is pretty much (E39) 5 series size. thats a shark among minnows, and it still gets beat. making a bigger car (a better value) is a great way to gain a competitive edge when you're way way behind.
you might not like them, but most of the car magazine editors still do when they compare them to the competition. nuff said.
yes the 2.0 liter ecotec is big in that segment. most of the imports are smaller. nissan and honda and toyota all use 1.8 liter or smaller engines. kia uses 1.4 and 1.6 liter engines (rio) and 1.6 and 2.0 (cerato/ spectra) only the sentra SE-R with the 2.5 and the lancer "ralliart" with the 2.4 have "big" engines from the imports. (mazda being a ford subsidiary doesnt count!) only the recent generation lancer has an engine that big.
2.0 liter, 260 hp with a power adder. im supposed to be impressed? the lancer was there ten years ago. thats right, back in the early/ mid nineties.
the vette is certainly king of performance per dollar. its probably performance king period for normal people who cant afford ultra expensive cars. and even for those who can. but it still has a subpar interior for its price. its only fault/ achilles heel/ flaw/ foible/ susceptability/ weakness/ impairment whatever. that makes it hard for people who buy for prestige to consider it as a worthy competitor to a porsche. most people who buy porsches are rich badge snobs, not performance inclined people. this is why it gets constantly derided.
in all my travels in the continental Us i have yet to see a station selling 83. thats ; cali, arizona, oregon, washington, nevada, new mexico, dc, texas, arkansas, rhode island, pennsylvania, virginia, west virgina, ohio, michigan, mass, connecticut, georgia, new york and im sure theres more. closest i came up on was 85 at high altitide in new mexico. of course i didnt visit every station. i hardly think its availability is widespread.
pushrods are old technology. like typewriters.
a6m5What year Altima though? Mine's '04. You know, the one right before they corrected the interior. Altima is possibly the worst Japanese midsize sedan right now, so I don't know if comparison to Altima says much about G6. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I drive one and you drive one, so you know Altima is not as refined as other imports(I do love the engine though).
Really good balance between power and fuel mileage. I love that engine.YSSMANbut I would agree that the 2.5 is rather punchy for a four banger.
I don't think Toyota sees it like they are taking down GM. Toyota-GM has been partners for very long time. They have a lot of respect for each other. Toyota will be very proud to be the world's #1 auto maker some day, but I really don't think Toyota is looking at it like they are defeating GM.
Sore losers!BlazinXtremeGM seems kinda bitter about it.
I know. Porsche doesn't make any money off of it's cars.neanderthal*the solstice is a limited production model. they arent making as many as the market would want, doesnt mean its a home run
Yes, you are right. The E39 BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king. Oh wait, you were talking about the E60...Can't control laughter... I can't think of one magazine that said the E60 was any better than the E39. Faster yes, better, no.neanderthal*the BMW M5 is still the sport sedan king
So what? Bigger displacement engines also last a lot longer than revvy smaller ones. I challenge you to make an old Dodge 440 not work.neanderthal*GMs engines are just as powerful because they are bigger (capacity) most of the time. its a lot easier to make horsepower with a bigger engine than a smaller one
And I'm sure TVR's are known for their interiors.neanderthal*europe is not running scared of the Z06 coz it still has a subpar interior for a $70000 car. it only underlines/ reinforces the prejudicial notion that american cars are cheap. but it is a helluva performance bargain, especially compared to its european rivals.
True.neanderthal*youll be hard pressed to find regular gas that is 83 octane anywhere in the US. try very high altitudes only. most places its 87.
So? Pushrods are cheaper to make.neanderthal*most well equipped/ good bargain malibus use GMs ancient pushrod engine for the most part. do you know when the japanese and euros stopped using pushrods? a long long time ago.
True again.neanderthal*GMs problems with its cars is more its "perceived quality" than actual quality. JD power has GM better than most imports. but when you get in a car and its got that nasty mouse fur headliner, you immediately think "cheap" and begin to wonder where else theyve cut corners.
Tell me what other country is big on SUV's enough to produce a better one.neanderthal*best american SUV does not = best SUV.
So? They are still 1st. And remember, Ford just completely redid their model line-up. Chevy has been peddling more or less the same cars for 3 years.neanderthal*chevrolet has only just taken the ranking of best selling nameplate from ford after about 20 years.
Tell me what other country is big on SUV's enough to produce a better one.
Yeah, but those are (or were) all sold in America. So if the GMT 900 was better than them in America, they would be better than them in whatever other country they were sold in. Maybe the Japan spec Mitsubishi Montero? Those have always been pretty good SUV's. Good off road too.BlazinXtremeToyota has the Sequoia but I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road, there is also that big ugly offensive looking Infiniti that was named the worst car of 2005. But other then that there aren't many big SUV's...unless you count the G-wagon from MB, but that's rediculiously expensive.
The only Land Rover sold in other countries but not here is the Defender 90, and that is not exactly the pinnacle of refinement, especially when the Hummer H1 makes it look downright crude in comparison.BlazinXtremeThe only non American SUV not sold in America I can think of are some of the Land Rovers, but once again I think they are to expensive to even be considered. And still they are part of Ford Motor Corp. aren't they?
ToronadoThe only Land Rover sold in other countries but not here is the Defender 90, and that is not exactly the pinnacle of refinement, especially when the Hummer H1 makes it look downright crude in comparison.
Well, you know how the H1 is a street Humvee? Well, a Defender 90 is the street version of the Defender 90. It has no allusions of being anything besides a military vehicle, and as such it's interior isn't exactly...classy. It's not because it's a bad SUV, and off-road it can go places the H1 can't even go, but they never tried to make it refined, so it isn't.BlazinXtremeFor the H1 to make anything look crude, the other vehicle must just be down right hideous. But honestly I think the best big SUV's come from the US, and I think that's what you were saying as well.
Lexus?BlazinXtreme- The M5 is over rated as with most BMW's, people automatically assume BMW M-series = God. There is no doubt they are fast, good in the handeling department, but honestly look at some other cars. Hell give Lexus a year or two and they will build something to beat it.
Disturbed07Am I the only one thinking of Audi S8's, and RS-6's? Mercedes SL65 AMG?
Bentley Continental GT? are we talking in a price range? Or, what the actual best?
GM has it's problems, there is no question about that. But if you look at how far their cars and trucks have come even in the last three years, it is evident (atleast in the United States) that things are looking better for the General.
To quote random websites that literally have no push or pull in the industry is complete crap. Word for word, one can easily see the bias against GM, and therefore all things GM... I would suggest looking for actual sources that actually has contacts within the company, or people who have been writing about cars for 50 years
Poverty: You of all people have no idea what the hell is even going on at GM North America, nor should you even concern yourself about it. Ive read plenty of your posts, and it has been easy to recognise that you are indeed biased against anything and everything that comes out of an American factory, espically that of GM's product lines.
Get me in trouble with who? Im not breaking any rules.Concerning yourself about the GMT900 from your "Spider Hole" in Euope is completely irrational and really is only going to get you in trouble as you know nothing about the trucks themselves... Outside of maybe Sweeden and US Embassys across Europe, you would probably never see one except in a magazine.
f there is anything that GM is doing right, it is offering a great ammount of value and performance at great price points. Well equipped Malibus are often thousands less than similarly equipped Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys, and save you money on gas and insurance costs as well...
Hell, even the Solstice GXP is going direct-injection next year with it's Turbocharged 260HP ECOTEC I4.
Motor Trend allready called it the best American SUV available, and is better than the majority of it's European and Japanese competition as well...
nd what is with the complaints about engine technology in the GM products? They are just as powerful and as efficent as many of their compeditors, and more often than not, can actually build better powerplants that their foreign rivals. GM can still build V8s that outdo those from Nissan, Toyota, Ford, DC, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, etc... with great fuel efficency and great power. The Vortech lineup is getting a revamp this year, and the LS2 and LS7 powerplants have proven themselves over, and over again as some of the best V8s available in the world.
Hold your roll there muchacho. We still have the likes of TVR and a couple other low production super car makers. I mean the Z06 was only like 1 sec faster than a porsche GT3 that has 120hp less.The new Z06 is the monster that they promised it would be, and it has Europe running scared.
The Buick Lucerne is another car that proves that Buick knows who they are selling to, and builds a car for them. Its quiet and comfortable, and with the optional V8, it does set itself apart from the Volvo S80 and Toyota Avalon.
How bout those V-series Cadillacs, huh? The CTS-V is still the king of the sport sedan crop, the XLR-V has the SL55 in it's sights, and the STS-V is a car worthy to be an option against the M5, CLS55/E55, and S6.
Only the Escalade or Yukon need to worry about the Touraeg/Cayenne/Q7, LR3, Range Rover, X5, ML500, Land Cruiser, LX470, GX470, or QX56... But most of those vehicles (particularly the BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti models) are getting old, and arent due for an update for a few more years...
Yeah theyve been taking chassis from other manufacturers and engines. Hell half your new cars are basically what opel have been giving us for years.
The truth about cars authors used to work for GM ford and another big american car company. They have built and designed cars since the 70's. More than reliablea nd worthy to comment.
You are a self confessed GM fanboy. You dont like people telling you the negatives about GM. For anything negative someone says you and blazing have an answer. Im not a american basher so stop calling me one. I like plenty american cars but people always talk more about the negatives than postives.Live with it.
I see my fair share of american cars that have been imported actually.
And why shouldnt I comment on the GMT900 line? Am I not allowed?
Using some more GM opel technology I see.
Nooooooooooooo. Wow what a comment. So what is this uber american SUV that only you must have heard of that pawns everything else?
Yeah but you have like 7 liter V8's. Its easy to make power with big displacement. Audi RS4 4.2 V8. Best V8 in the world. Then there are the ferrari V8's. With the amount of V8's you guys make I would expewct one or two of them to be good.
Hold your roll there muchacho. We still have the likes of TVR and a couple other low production super car makers. I mean the Z06 was only like 1 sec faster than a porsche GT3 that has 120hp less.
The CTS-V is not a handler bas otherwise it would have beat the M3.Oh and that god awful interior.
The escalade is crap in corners. Case closed. And dont even try and say it isnt. (thsi is for the old one. Dont know about the new on as yet)
Stop being stupid, the CTS-V is quite good in the corners. Once again your thick head thinks that American = piss poor handling. But that is wrong. The interior isn't bad either, but that is an excuse European's use when they can't find actual faults with the car.
Only because porsche knows it can get away with that pricing. It doesnt cost them anywhere near that figure to make it. And its not like over 100k more expensive than the z06. maybe more about 40k.And the GT3 is about a 100k more then the Z06 as well, I would expect it to be better.
Actually the best V8 in the world is the Chevy 350, it has been for a long time.
So why did it lose to a car that was considerabley less powerful than it?
Only because porsche knows it can get away with that pricing. It doesnt cost them anywhere near that figure to make it. And its not like over 100k more expensive than the z06. maybe more about 40k.
Evidence? Post some figures.