Will GT4 respect auto box or manual as is the real cars?

[Quattro]

hi,

I was wondering... Will GT4 give cars an automatic tranny (like e.g. an SL55 in GTC & P) if they can only be delivered with an auto box in reality?
It drives so smooth on those cars

I do hope so because I was really dissapointed in GTC with the Audi RS6... A Manual clutch!

Anyone already knows about this?

Quattro

 

[plfrench]

It doesn't really make any difference looking at it that way round, cos you can drive most modern autos like manuals as far as GT is concerned, ie. being able to select up or down shifts.

I don't think they are likely to restrict the game as there are probably loads of people who can't handle the finer points of shifting for yourself and if they were to make it manual only for the relevant cars then that would limit people choice of what they could drive...

 

[Quattro]

true,

But imagine driving an SL500 or SL55 with a manual shifting box instead of the now beautiful auto transmission in GTC and GTP... You still have to do the shifts but it's the way it shifts that makes it an automatic-like box... And I love in on those cars!

 

[Rapidone]

Is the real trasmission type going to be listed in the car specification in GT4?

If it isn't listed, then it would be nice to have the transmission type noted in the car list on this web site.

That would enable those of us that like realism, to chose the correct transmission type when we use a car in the game.

 

[puricele7e]

I'm sorry if i got this wrong, but i think plfrench didn't get the point: It's just the shifting between gears, not the tranny type.

Hope I'm right

 

[Quattro]

right you are... it's the smooth shifting with those few GTC and GTP cars that is so lovely.

 

[TurboLevin2NV]

I get where you coming from.....I think it'd be cool if you yourself could control the actual upshift, but it would change gears exactly like the automatic would. Hope I make sense

 

[squeek]

I get where you coming from.....I think it'd be cool if you yourself could control the actual upshift, but it would change gears exactly like the automatic would. Hope I make sense

what would be the point in calling it an automatic then if its effectively manual? i think that manuals should be manuals, and automatics should be customizable, either auto or manual trannys. cos i cant drive in auto, if there was a car i liked that was only auto, id be pissed.

 

[Leo_Straight6]

It drives so smooth on those cars

I defintely have to agree with you there mate.

But what I am more concerned about is the automatic software. In GT3 if you wanted to have a go at auto it would suck because it always shifted at redline.

Why can't we have somthing that acts as the usual clumsy auto box?

And plus with fuel consumption in it would be best if this was implemented.

Get those auto drivers to switch to manual (auto consumes more fuel)

And also that the fact that the automatic boxes shifting at the redline would just make it gay. (not even the auto drivers should have to face that)

 

[mixmastabob]

Im sure they have thought about this, but all the cars are going to just be sequential manual boxes I think.

 

[Lambo88]

I'd bet good money that in GT4, it will be like all previous GTs: you can choose automatic or manual for any car you take, it's that simple.

See ya

 

[Corvette]

I hope that the number of gears will be shown in the car description. A car that has a six speed transmission can be a real advantage on a race track.

 

[iceburns288]

What about the M5's 7-speed auto. I think it has a 6-speed manual. Would there be a difference, and how many gears would both have if they were the same. The 7th gear would probably not help too much though... 6 gears is plenty in case of keeping a car in the powerband.

 

[TurboLevin2NV]

Yeah I know, 7 gears sounds a bit too much for me. I dunno why, but I've never been fond of anything above 5 gears. I feel more at home with a 5-speed. I guess I'm wierd? Or maybe it's just because my family's never tasted six gears?

Our Accord's a 5-speed, our BMW's a 5-speed.....so on so forth.



TB2NV

 

[JNasty4G63]

First post in quite a while for me, be gentle guys...... 👍

...6 gears is plenty in case of keeping a car in the powerband.

Depends on how wide your powerband is. If you have a huge wide powerband like from a big bore V8 or a V12, then it doesn't matter as much. But, if you have a very high performing engine, thats designed to make high power in the upper reaches of the powerband, like an M5 V10 that revs to 8250 rpms, a DC5 Type-R reving to 8500 rpms, or an S2K or RX8 that revs to 9000 rpms. In those engines, they make much of their power high up, so the more gears you have to keep the engine up there in many different situations, the better.

Thats why the old F-Bodys and Vettes had that skip shift feature with the 6-speeds. They had such wide powerbands, that when just driving around town, it would skip from 1st to 4th to help with economy. It could do that because 4th gear at like 20mph was no big deal. But, you try that in an S2K or RX8 and you'll be going nowhere fast. So, having a lot of gears in a car like that makes perfect sense. Thats why many cars have 5 or 6 speed auto box's now. The more choices you have, the better.

Hilg

 

[Hyde]

all of u missed the point

hell, some of u cant even tell the difference between the SL55 shifting compare to say a GTR

there is no clutch in and clutch out during shift on the SL55.

i'm sure in the final version, more cars would simulated as ab AT box with torque converter, or CVT gear box (Honda Fit, Prius, and GTR Concept) and possibly even the slick gear shift of the SMGIII on the M5

 

[Rapidone]

What about the M5's 7-speed auto. I think it has a 6-speed manual. Would there be a difference, and how many gears would both have if they were the same. The 7th gear would probably not help too much though... 6 gears is plenty in case of keeping a car in the powerband.

The Focus C-Max TDCI also has a 7-speed auto box, and it needs it. I've also driven the Mondeo 6-speed manual with the same engine, I can tell you that engine needs as many gears as it can get.

Power comes on at arround 2000rpm and drops off after 3500rpm, it's awfull with manual change, there's no point ever removing your hand off the gear stick.

 

[Ronnn]

all of u missed the point

hell, some of u cant even tell the difference between the SL55 shifting compare to say a GTR

there is no clutch in and clutch out during shift on the SL55.

i'm sure in the final version, more cars would simulated as ab AT box with torque converter, or CVT gear box (Honda Fit, Prius, and GTR Concept) and possibly even the slick gear shift of the SMGIII on the M5[/QUOTE

yes, i agree with Hyde
all of you miss the whole point. if you guys know the design of 'auto box' and 'manual box' then you will know what he is asking.

auto box has no 'clutch', instead it has torque converter to simulate the 'clutch' function, that's why the shift is so smooth, since you dont have to leave your right foot when shifting

but for manual box, under normal driving, all shifting has to press the clutch and depress the accelerator, that's why there is the 'gap' between each shift

the whole concept is different, even modern cars has +/- shift, they are actually
not like real manual box, they are auto box that lets you shift by yourself

 

[Rapidone]

the whole concept is different, even modern cars has +/- shift, they are actually
not like real manual box, they are auto box that lets you shift by yourself

The Smart car looks like an automatic using the +/- shift, but it actually uses an automatic cluch for gear changes, you need to lift off the gas on gear changes to get a smooth ride. This transmission is used to avoid the loss of fuel econemy associated with most auto transmissions.

Doesn't the Astin Matin DB7 use an auto change to opperate a manual box aswell?

 

[ppucci]

But what I am more concerned about is the automatic software. In GT3 if you wanted to have a go at auto it would suck because it always shifted at redline.

Remember that holding either L2 or R2 (if I am not mistaken) before reaching the red line will make the car NOT upshift.

Catch you later! (online!!!!!)

 

[mackie]

The Smart car looks like an automatic using the +/- shift, but it actually uses an automatic cluch for gear changes, you need to lift off the gas on gear changes to get a smooth ride. This transmission is used to avoid the loss of fuel econemy associated with most auto transmissions.

Doesn't the Astin Matin DB7 use an auto change to opperate a manual box aswell?

It's actually the Vanquish that uses this 'box. The new DB9 uses a convensional auto which is arguably better (certainly smoother). BMW and Ferrari both off similar gearboxes on some of their cars.

Keeping on topic I think it doubtful that auto cars will be limited to auto only. Most modern autos do allow you to manually select your gears if you want to and the SL55 seems pretty authentic in this repect.
What might be cool is if a car came with an auto option (5 speed man std or 4 speed auto option) that the real auto ratios were used and a torque converter. Then again you'd probably want to explicitly buy one or the other. I'll shut up now

 

[Quattro]

For me it wouldn't mather if there wouldn't be an Automatic shifting (correct shifting point with amount of throttle, etc....)
I don't care if you still have to do the shifting manually, but on autobox-cars in real-life(like SL, RS6, E55,C32, ....) I want the shifting it self to be like an autobox... with smooth change between gears. Just drive an SL55 in GTC or GT4 and you'll notice what I mean

 

[plfrench]

I know what you are talking about Quattro, but I'm not sure why you find it so good. It just seems like the gears are being slurred together and this surely isn't the quickest way to get the power from engine to wheels... A bit like a learner slipping the clutch!!! (I know auto boxes don't have clutches per se before people start shouting at me!!! Unless it's VAG's DSG box...) You don't hear F1 cars slurring their way up through the gears, it's bang into the next in the minimal amount of time for optimal performance.

If you are talking about GT4's representation of an auto's action though, then yes it is very good...

 

[Robin]

In prologue the shifts on the SL55 (which is an auto car) had very smooth shifts in manual mode.......and what PD have done is fine.....other cars such as the vanquish have auto paddle gearboxes with a manual option...on these the changes should be smooth aswell.......

With cars that are manual in real life the auto option should act like a manual...taking a short while to get in the next gear.

From what Ive seen so far GT4 is fine with is representation of gear box effects...

 

[mackie]

The vanquish isn't an auto though. It's is an electro-hydraulically actuated conventional manual with an automagic clutch (like BMW's SMG or Ferrari's F1 system).
But yes I agree, auto cars should shift like an auto (it'd be even cooler if the shifted up on part throttle before the red line).

 

[Arwin]

We should make a distinction here between the AT in GT that is a steering assist, and the AT in GT that represents the fact that the car is a manual. I think PD is obviously dedicated to implementing realistic transmission types, witnessing GT4 Prologue, but we will probably always have the option to do AT even if only MT versions of a car exist. However, in these cases the AT will then behave as an assisted MT rather than a real AT, as opposed to the ATs that are built into a certain type of car.


Btw, GT Concept already had a 7 speed car.

 

[Robin]

Is it possible to have a 7 speed car in real life? (talking about your average car here!).......wouldn't it be pointless......

btw.....the aston martin DB9 is an auto......with a paddle function.....or is it the same as what mackie said about the vanquish.....

 

[mackie]

The new M5 has 7 speeds and yes, it is largely pointless, especially on such a powerful engine.
The DB9 is a convensional auto with a torque converter yes

 

[JNasty4G63]

The new M5 has 7 speeds and yes, it is largely pointless, especially on such a powerful engine....

Then why would all F1 cars use them???? I mean, if it doesn't matter, then surely cars developed to such a high level would not use them. The fact is, it does matter. The more gears you have, the lower you can gear the car for quick acceleration and still have good top speeds. Think of it like this......

Lets say you have a V6 and a 4 speed box. You could gear it for a top speed of 120, but you won't get there real fast. If you want quicker acceleration, you lower your final gearing. The lower you gear it, the faster you'll accelerate, but you also lower your top speed. So what do you do????? You add more gears. You can then have 6 speeds with the first 5 being normal gears, with 6th being an overdrive for cruising.

So you see, it doesn't matter how powerful of an engine you have, it just depends on what you want to do with it. And a car like the M5 is made to go fast at a track, so the more gears they can add, the faster they can make it accelerate through those added gears. I mean, sure, a 7-speed on a street driven Civic wouldn't do much good because with such little power, they won't have a very high top speed, and the less gears they need. I mean, with 7 speeds to get you to 120, you'd be shifting every 2 seconds. But, with a high powered car, it makes total sense.

Hilg

 

[Hyde]

The new M5 has 7 speeds and yes, it is largely pointless, especially on such a powerful engine.
The DB9 is a convensional auto with a torque converter yes

the M5 V10's torque is much lower compare to its competitor (E55 and RS6)
they are using closer gear ratio to make up the huge amount of torque they dont have.


back on topic.

if u notice the Gear indication HUD, it lights up when the gear is engaged, and it dims when you are clutching in. go back and play GT3, drive a stock car and go change a Level 3 clutch on to it. you can see a big difference in shifting time.

you can see the gear HUD lights up all the time when u are driving an Automatic base car, such as the SL55 and the Evolution VII GT-A. GT Concept was the first GT to implement this.

quite a few cars in GT4 shift very slow, such as the S2000, Elise, and GC8 WRX. some cars like R34 GTR, shift at a decent speed.

keep in mind that in GT4, it even simulate the throw of the shifter. the longer throw shifter the car has in stock, the longer it takes to change gear.

but what really suprise me is that S2000, Elise, these cars have really slick gear shift, and my grandma can shift faster then the GT4 shifting simulation for this cars.