World Rally Championship Stage IV

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Hi everyone, thought i would drop in with a couple of pics for this weeks race, whilst im not spending much time on this at all :indiff: im trying to submit times as its a great series and I know how important support is when trying to run something like this.....

The Ruf seems to spend its life sideways and is more than a handfull, but i love the thing to bits!! Lots of fun.





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cheers

Dave
 
Jerome, I'm going to test the slightly more powerful and modern version of my 205 in a moment or two ... I ran a few laps in the less powerful one and I'll see how they compare; the more powerful 205 may be *too* powerful, I'll see.

I ran some laps in both cars at Stage 1 ... but stage 2 is kinda killing me ... clearly I need a very radical setup change on both cars ... I have AMAZING understeer ... like TERMINAL ... when I touch the gas, I go STRAIGHT and often that's not what I want. I can't seem to get either car to powerslide or anything.

Any hints and tips for WET settings? I'll submit my splits when I get Stage 2 complete.
 
I guess I can deal with car optioning. I'll just assume you all crashed your old cars in some horriable accident. =-P
 
Kolyana
Jerome, I'm going to test the slightly more powerful and modern version of my 205 in a moment or two ... I ran a few laps in the less powerful one and I'll see how they compare; the more powerful 205 may be *too* powerful, I'll see.

I ran some laps in both cars at Stage 1 ... but stage 2 is kinda killing me ... clearly I need a very radical setup change on both cars ... I have AMAZING understeer ... like TERMINAL ... when I touch the gas, I go STRAIGHT and often that's not what I want. I can't seem to get either car to powerslide or anything.

Any hints and tips for WET settings? I'll submit my splits when I get Stage 2 complete.
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A good way to induce oversteer is to try the following:

Increase your front Spring Rate so that its 2 or 3 points or so harder than the rear 8/5?)
Increase your stabilizer to a point or 2 higher than the rear (6/4?)
Front Ride Height at the bottom, rear about 15 points higher (85/100?)
Decrease REAR Downforce 30/26?)
DONT buy the rigidity upgrade
Front Brakes about 5 points more than the rear brakes (7/3?)
Although I have yet to try it; use the ASM for understeering, try it at like level 5 and see if it HELPS you turn. That is if my thinking is correct, if you enable the Understeer asm it should help prevent Understeer....I *THINK*. If it makes is worse then try the other. Again haven't tried it, but it could work...maybe...

jump_ace
 
Jerome, I can make this monster match - perhaps beat - my 206 WRC ... so are you sure you want to allow it?
 
Kolyana
Jerome, I can make this monster match - perhaps beat - my 206 WRC ... so are you sure you want to allow it?
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Did some testing with it again this weekend, go ahead 👍 👍 As an example, look at Luxy in his Historic car, its right up there with 'Da Big Dogz'


Updated the LB, but its having an seizure at the moment, what did I do wrong Luke? Lil' Help?

jump_ace
 
I'm 1.5 seconds FASTER in the more powerful 205 than I am in the 206 *cough*



SET UP question:
On the corner just before the starting line, at the end of the straight, both of my cars are tending to lose the back end unless I hit the corner very, very carefully ... and once the backend starts to swing out, there's no bringing it back ... I'm talking violently so.

What causes this and is there any way to stop it or help?
 
Yay! Tarmac!

Dry
T1 - 12.383
T2 - 27.423

Wet
T1 - 13.575
T2 - 30.642

I'm feeling much better in the dry then the wet.
 
Kolyana
You broke it, you nicompoop.
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I checked it over MANY times and everything *LOOKS* right, but I must be missing something somewhere...hhmm....

jump_ace
 
Kolyana
I'm 1.5 seconds FASTER in the more powerful 205 than I am in the 206 *cough*



SET UP question:
On the corner just before the starting line, at the end of the straight, both of my cars are tending to lose the back end unless I hit the corner very, very carefully ... and once the backend starts to swing out, there's no bringing it back ... I'm talking violently so.

What causes this and is there any way to stop it or help?
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Brake earlier and realy try to rid ethe inside rumble strip, maybe let the car drift a little to the outside as you enter the turn, then try to ride it thru the turn and upon exit hit the strip on the left; trying to make a 'big cirle' out of it, or a bigger radius w/e u wanna call it.

jump_ace
 
I'm having problems with imageshack right now but I'll try again later. If not I'll have to use photobucket but the limit is 512kb so any pic over the limit are automatically resized. 👎

Anyone else having problems with imageshack?

Nat, what car are you using now? I'll try to help but my car is understeering so my settings won't help.

EDIT: imageshack is working now :boggled:👍



more pics coming soon :)
 
Leaderboard fixed :) You just forgot the </week> tag for week 4 Jerome ;) I find it helpful to copy and paste into a text-editor, and indent everything properly the way you would for html code ... helps to find those missing/mismatched tags 👍

jump_ace
A good way to induce oversteer is to try the following:

Increase your front Spring Rate so that its 2 or 3 points or so harder than the rear 8/5?)
Increase your stabilizer to a point or 2 higher than the rear (6/4?)
Front Ride Height at the bottom, rear about 15 points higher (85/100?)
Decrease REAR Downforce 30/26?)
DONT buy the rigidity upgrade
Front Brakes about 5 points more than the rear brakes (7/3?)
Although I have yet to try it; use the ASM for understeering, try it at like level 5 and see if it HELPS you turn. That is if my thinking is correct, if you enable the Understeer asm it should help prevent Understeer....I *THINK*. If it makes is worse then try the other. Again haven't tried it, but it could work...maybe...

jump_ace
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I've got to disagree with a few of your points there, Jerome ...

To induce oversteer:
- raise rear brake balance / lower front brake balance
- raise rear ride height / lower front ride height
- raise front downforce / lower rear downforce
- raise rear spring rate/lower front spring rate
- raise rear stabs/lower front stabs
- add rear toe (+2) / add negative front toe (-2)
- lower the VCD
- raise LSD Accel front value
- add balast weight, and move it toward the back of the car

EDIT: I should mention that the list above is in no particular order. Which adjustment you make depends on when and where over/under-steer is occuring. (Nat, if you'd like, find me on IM and I'll see if I can help ya :) )

The idea is to add grip to the front of the car (ideally), or remove grip from the rear. By stiffening the front and sofening the rear as you said, you're actually doing the opposite of what you want :(

I'll post my setup in a sec ....

Springs: 4/5
Ride: 85/85
Bound: 5/5
Rebound: 5/5
Camber: 1/0
Toe: -2/2 (this made a big difference)
Stabs: 3/4
Downforce: Max
Brakes: 3/3
LSD:
5/5
5/5
10/5
VCD: 20
Aids: Off

This setup has still got a fair bit of understeer, but if I mash the pedal, it'll start sliding like a kid at a waterpark .... oh, wait a minute ... :D ;)
 
Luxy
Leaderboard fixed :) You just forgot the </week> tag for week 4 Jerome ;) I find it helpful to copy and paste into a text-editor, and indent everything properly the way you would for html code ... helps to find those missing/mismatched tags 👍



I've got to disagree with a few of your points there, Jerome ...

To induce oversteer:
- raise rear brake balance / lower front brake balance
- raise rear ride height / lower front ride height
- raise front downforce / lower rear downforce
- raise rear spring rate/lower front spring rate
- raise rear stabs/lower front stabs
- add rear toe (+2) / add negative front toe (-2)
- lower the VCD
- raise LSD Accel front value
- add balast weight, and move it toward the back of the car

EDIT: I should mention that the list above is in no particular order. Which adjustment you make depends on when and where over/under-steer is occuring. (Nat, if you'd like, find me on IM and I'll see if I can help ya :) )

The idea is to add grip to the front of the car (ideally), or remove grip from the rear. By stiffening the front and sofening the rear as you said, you're actually doing the opposite of what you want :(

I'll post my setup in a sec ....

Springs: 4/5
Ride: 85/85
Bound: 5/5
Rebound: 5/5
Camber: 1/0
Toe: -2/2 (this made a big difference)
Stabs: 3/4
Downforce: Max
Brakes: 3/3
LSD:
5/5
5/5
10/5
VCD: 20
Aids: Off

This setup has still got a fair bit of understeer, but if I mash the pedal, it'll start sliding like a kid at a waterpark .... oh, wait a minute ... :D ;)
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Usually I just copy and paste, but looks like I forgot the closing 'week' tag. I was prolly a little tired to notice that, I kept looking for everything else that was wrong, like forgetting a " here or there. Thx Luke! I'll have to try out some of those settings, so what exactly does the vcd do? Anyone know? I've never tried to adjust it. But I did forget to say weight transfer is a good idea too.

jump_ace
 
The VCD adjusts how much power is sent to the front wheels. In the case of the starion where it power understeers like you wouldn't believe (except for Jump that is!), I like to place the front bias to 10 percent as compared to what you'll see as higher for other people. I've been running it like that ever since stage 2.

If you know of the traction circle, this makes perfect sense. The front tires now have less traction needed for forward movement which leaves them more traction for turning forces.
 
Maxzillian
The VCD adjusts how much power is sent to the front wheels. In the case of the starion where it power understeers like you wouldn't believe (except for Jump that is!), I like to place the front bias to 10 percent as compared to what you'll see as higher for other people. I've been running it like that ever since stage 2.

If you know of the traction circle, this makes perfect sense. The front tires now have less traction needed for forward movement which leaves them more traction for turning forces.
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So to increase turning capabilities, you would LOWER the front vcd? And yes it tends to understeer, but I've balanced it out good enough I guess, I just wish I knew how to keep its momentum up better.

jump_ace
 
Dry 2WD: 12.434 (saw .239)/ 27.792

dry AWD: 12.438/ 28.110


I'm liking...just need to pull of the other three tenths I've seen floating around the Crossfire. :)
 
I am chasing that notorious 27.1, very good lap Hawk. 👍

jump_ace
 
jump_ace
So to increase turning capabilities, you would LOWER the front vcd? And yes it tends to understeer, but I've balanced it out good enough I guess, I just wish I knew how to keep its momentum up better.

jump_ace
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Yep, you got it :)

If you set the VCD to 10%, the front wheels get 10% of the power, and the rear wheels get 90% of the power, making the car more-or-less rear-wheel drive.

If you set the VCD to 50%, the front wheels get 50% of the power and the rear wheels also get 50% of the power.

By lowering the VCD value, the car will oversteer more (or understeer less). Raising the VCD value does the opposite :)
 
Luxy
Yep, you got it :)

If you set the VCD to 10%, the front wheels get 10% of the power, and the rear wheels get 90% of the power, making the car more-or-less rear-wheel drive.

If you set the VCD to 50%, the front wheels get 50% of the power and the rear wheels also get 50% of the power.

By lowering the VCD value, the car will oversteer more (or understeer less). Raising the VCD value does the opposite :)
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Over the years playing GT1 and so on, I never really knew exactly how things work, hence "Cole Trickle" I just adjust them as I *THINK* they should be adjusted, but u know more thanI do Luke, so I'll definately take note on your preferences on oversteering.

jump_ace
 
jump_ace
Brake earlier and realy try to rid ethe inside rumble strip, maybe let the car drift a little to the outside as you enter the turn, then try to ride it thru the turn and upon exit hit the strip on the left; trying to make a 'big cirle' out of it, or a bigger radius w/e u wanna call it.

jump_ace
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Actually, I'm *RIGHT* on bhawks' splits, so I feel okay with my WRC car ... just letting you know that my Historic knocks the spots of Hawk's splits in his Subaru.
 
U speedy lil' girl! :drool: :bowdown:

jump_ace
 
Not me, all this car :p

Of course, strugglign with the wet section, but I'll try and get that nailed tonight and let you know what my current splits are like.

Thanks for your help - and to Luxy 👍 - I've printed everything off and I'm goign to see if I can get this car to oversteer more in the wet.
 
Stage IV

WRC A - (DRY)

T1 - 11.936
T2 - 27.361

WRC B - (WET)

T1 - 13.493
T2 - 31.134

4WD A - (DRY)

T1 - 12.569
T2 - 28.031

4WD B - (WET)

T1 - 14.015
T2 - 31.551

H A - (DRY)

T1 - 13.652
T2 - 31.289

H B - (WET)

T1 - 15.516
T2 - 36.016

2WD A - (DRY)

T1 - 12.898
T2 - 29.148

2WD B - (WET)

T1 - 14.360
T2 - 32.804

LB Updated, for now Jetboys I just put your wet splits at "99999" so whenever u post the wet splits I'll get on it.

Gonna change one car this season, as it is DRAMATICALLY behind the others every stage. New 2WD Car:
Toyota SUPRA SZ-R '97 (FR) 389HP,
Racing Exhaust
Racing Chip
NA Tune Level III

jump_ace
 
Okkkaaaay ... let's get myself on the ol' board there.

Peugeot 206: WRC
Dry: 12.011 - 27.244
Wet: 13.575 - 31.050

Peugeot 205 Evo II: Historic
Dry: 11.781 - 26.675 (Told you it was a monster)
Wet: 13.172 - 30.881
 
I might consider changing cars since it seems to be the thing to do. I'm not sure how an Evo VI rallycar with 100+ more HP manages to only be a second a lap quicker then my RX-7 which is'nt steller to begin with.
 



Even though I keep complaining about the car, it is just far to easy to drive and good looking.

Hopefully I can pull something out on the tarmac with it.

Oh and comments on my photos would be appriciated. I'm considering putting a gallery up, but not sure if its worth the effort.
 
It is worth the effort, I particularly like the 2nd and 4th ones!
 
Thanks Kol, I'll see about getting something up if I can, still like some more comments though.

Like, do they seem unique enough to warrent a look? I do not use much photoshop or trickyness, just the basics that Microsoft PhotoIt provides me with.
 
They're all clear enough and I like the colors/brightness and etc ... I like the 2nd and 4th because, I think, they're less common regarding angles, camera distance and such. The other three are ... ordinary? Without wanting to seem crass, whilst the 2nd and 4th are not.

Second picture has a great view, angle and distance ... really nice shot ... while the 4th has an awesome angle and a great view of the two corners behind. I think it captures part of the essence of Tsukuba.

I can't really critique picture editing or even phototaking techniques, but regarding CONTENT and angles ... I thought those two were **** on.
 
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