worst GT yet?

[daspianist]

yeah, a game I would rate 9/10 because it has no flaws

I know you signed up for this forum 30 days ago suckered into the hype GT5 would reinvent the wheel

You deserve to be disappointed

Awww, no need to pull out the attitude.

I don't deserve to be disappointed, simply because:

1. I paid for it $60 for it.
2. PD and Sony showed a series of advertisements that were false and did not accurate reflect how the game would be rendered in game.
3. My post count and registration date GTPlanet doesn't disqualify my comments, just as it doesn't elevate yours.


Its ok if you are feeling bad because your game is getting thrashed by all these bad people on the internet, and some of them are using hurtful language. It really is ok.

 

[CSLACR]

[*]the godawful leveling system causes headache inducing grind fests

Agreed, but better than our previous "no system at all"

[*]the b-spec mode that is mandatory to completion

I agree with B-Spec, but I don't think it should be so time-consuming, for example making every b-spec race about 2x the laps, is a middle finger.

[*]the some areas of the world got better "special" cars

Every GT game ever. If anything they're slowly improving on this. Cause they already have a 1990,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02,03,04 of every Japanese car ever, so it's only new Japanese cars being added.

[*]the entire premium/standard debacle and the number of problems that come along with it

It is hog-*. But the in-car view for 200 some cars is better than the in car view for every GT1,2,3, and 4 car ever. Because there were none.

[*]the used car lot that refuses to show you the cars you need to complete certain races or just simply want to own and drive

Which argument? The fact GT4 was the same way? The fact GT1,2, and 3 didn't have used car lots? or the that's life, you can't always go to a dealer and expect they'll have every racing car you ever wanted in stock, nor can you buy 1 of a kind concepts in dealers at the time of your choosing.

[*]the lack of races, lack of the "upload to youtube" feature that was promised

as many or more races than GT1 or 3, and I just don't care about uploading to youtube. Oh, couldn't ever upload... couldn't play online with GT1,2,3,4.

[*]the little amount of tracks

More than any other GT game.

[*]the ridiculously small number of cars that can be race modified

17 more than GT4. I agree it's stupidly small, should easily be 30+, but 17's is better than the game where they took them out, isn't it?

[*]the sounds on most of the cars

Sounds are pretty good, better than any GT game to date.

[*]how most of the American cars handle suspiciously like crap

Mine don't. Sorry.

[*]how there's 30 something versions of the Miata

Yup - back to the 90,91,92,93,94...... Still waiting for the billion Trans-Am... or even one. If car selection wasn't less biased than every other GT game, I would agree. But it's improved, still Japanese heaven, but improved.

[*]but the new Mustang and the Fox Body is left out (one of the most prominent club racing cars being used today, Miata aside)

They always leave out some kind of new American car, how about a new GT500? GT4 had an 06 Eclipse, but couldn't manage an 05 Cobalt, or Corvette, or ANY Firebird from Ever.
Now name the previous GT with a fox-body Mustang.

[*]the paint system

Worse than not being able to change paint? No. Otherwise stupider than legally retarded? Yes.

[*]the limited wheel/rim system

Yes no. GT4 had a wheel system like the used car system you've just complained about, sooo.. that leads to GT1,2,3 not being able to change wheels.

[*]the lack of advertised realistic damage

You have to level up, yes, it's stupid, but "better" than no damage. I personally don't care for damage because either the AI or online player next to you will collide with you whether intentional or not, and restarting 20 races in a row sucks, period.

[*]the chassis refresh

Been there since GT4, except people are being stupid enough to do it now, no idea why. Just don't do it constantly.

[*]the crappy tuning options (no positive camber option and NASCAR's are in the game?....uh, wut?.....)

How about NASCAR's going 240mph? But how is that worse than no NASCAR's? And what GT allowed positive camber?

[*]how they put Indy in but no Indy Cars

It's called licensing. And we do have 3 F1 cars of some form.

[*]the fact that the Ferrari F1 cars are in the game, but you can't use them anywhere

Agreed. Worse than no F1 cars?

[*]the really awful brakes and lack of brake upgrade options

Worse than previous titles? How so? Agreed on the lack of upgrade. Finally. You named 1 thing so far a previous GT game positively does better.

[*]the really stupid AI]

No worse than before, difference is it's more realistic when you ram them, or they ram you.

[*]lack of fast forward/rewind in replay mode, and fast forward in b-spec mode

Agreed. 2 things.

[*]the lack of saving setups

Don't care, but 3 things.

[*]having to turn the aids off for EVERY single car in the game (REALLY ANNOYING!!!!)

Not that annoying, but I guess another minor one.
Total: 4

A long list of reasons GT5 is better, but not as much better as it could be, and 4 minor reasons it's not as good.

 

[Sidstyler]

yeah, a game I would rate 9/10 because it has no flaws

I know you signed up for this forum 30 days ago suckered into the hype GT5 would reinvent the wheel

You deserve to be disappointed

Only way I can express myself to you is through pictures, quicker than a thousand words.

It's like you all have never been disappointed in your life, grow up and deal with it kids.

 

[speedthrill]

Why is it that the whining threads come down to things people are used in other racing games...

I think that's what i love so much in GT. It's different...

For example, the paint system is great. Listen to this:
In GT it was allways a goal to go for realism. Well, i think he nailed the spot here... I just paid, half a year ago, 1500 euros to repaint my car in real life...
So yeah, if you implement a repaint mode, why not implement it the real way.
And for the colors, it's very nice for the collectors like myself to have it in that mode...

Now it is interesting, otherwhise it would be boring to paint them... Now it's a challenge...

But yeah, i state this as my opinion, not as a fact, so please respect it for that...

To be honest, i found all this quoting eachother to the death a bit silly, like you think you can reply every other sentence with the real truth... That goes to all of you by the way, pro's and cons...

 

[toothache]

hey guys, to start off no, I'm not trolling. I was just talking to a friend last night, and I believe, driving physics, graphics, and online play aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet.

here are my reasons why:

Dude this post is way too late , been dozens of threads all over like it !!!!!!
The real question is this :

**With all the problems of GT5 that you people are stuck on**

1.How many of you have sold your copy because if said issues?
2.What are you people doing on a GT5 Forum ?
3.Have you stopped playing GT5 because of these long posted issues?

If no.. then stop it, with all this list the worst of GT5 stuff .

Pick any other racer and decide to list all that you don't like ...you'll be surprised.

 

[Pone]

Great thread & alot of true. I've been a long-time supporter of GT & owned every single encarnation. I am dissapointed with a few things & I hope PD trawl forums etc before just trying to tell us what we want when they release the next game. A couple of gripes that warrant complaint but don't utterly ruin the exeprience:
1) B-spec is simply tedious. We shouldn't be forced to babysit drivers if we don't want to. GT4 was much better where you nominated a level of performance in B-spec & it was your choice to closely monitor it or have faith in your driver, car setup & performance etc. Everyone loved this option as they could B-spec some or all of the longer races when they needed a break. Babysitting aside, PD have taken some good ideas re driver career & development & managed to ruin the experience. No driver on earth continually spins at the same corner of a track. Making them so stupid ruins the fun in setting up cars for them.
2) The new Corvettes sound like old 6-cyclinder cars when RM'd. No good PD, these are popular cars & real life GT1 & GT2 versions always have the V8 rumble. This is something that annoys me everytime I drive mine.
3) F1 usability. It really borders on false advertisement. Enough said.
4) PD are infatuated with quantity over quality. I'd rather have 200 premium cars that are all capable of RM than the 800 or so standards. It also appears PD have a love for smaller budget cars that no-one else shares. Nobody drives a Prius, Demio or other small FWD unless they have to for game completion. There is no enjoyment to found with them so why even include them. If they must be included, pick a handful to represent this group, no more. The game isn't 'Driving Miss Daisy'!!!👍

 

[Devedander]

Like who? Where are these mythical people? Guys like TenaciousD even acknowledge it's faults. Hateful anti GT trolls are abundant on this forum not OMG GT5 is the best ever users.

If I were to review GT5 for a mag I'd give it a 9/10. But for me its a 9.5/10 possibly 10/10 with a few more patches

And standard cars look fine if not zoomed in on.

Like this

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6638/nrburgring24hk.jpg

Well to be fair, Forza 1 zoomed out and far away looks pretty good even on the original Xbox...

I mean honestly if you are going to pull the "from far away if you squint you can't even tell" then you invalidate the entire point of having premium cars be to the standard they are at.

See the problem with defending standard cars is you have to inavlidate the avlue of premium cars to do so. If you invalidate premium cars, you introduce a whole different world of "did it wrong" for wasting so much time on them.

So either:

Premium cars are awesome and done right and standards are pretty poor

or

Stanards are fine in which case all the time spend on premiums was a waste

You can't have it both ways when it suits you best.

Oh and for the record, becuase SOME standard cars look ok (especilaly black ones zoomed out with motion blur) doens't mean others don't look horrible.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

As far as structure, depth, and content, GT5 hands down is the worst GT ever.

For example, the paint system is great. Listen to this:
In GT it was allways a goal to go for realism. Well, i think he nailed the spot here... I just paid, half a year ago, 1500 euros to repaint my car in real life...
So yeah, if you implement a repaint mode, why not implement it the real way.
And for the colors, it's very nice for the collectors like myself to have it in that mode......

Realism ?

So when you painted your car, the guy could only paint it the color of one of the colors you had on another car.

And that color is used up now, so if you want to use the same color again you have to go buy that car again in the same color.

Realism ?

 

[Drift260Z]

another one of these? ok, let's do this.

Agreed, but better than our previous "no system at all"

I preferred this cause this way you actually focus on winning the races to get 100% instead of jumping through hoops to level up to complete the game

I agree with B-Spec, but I don't think it should be so time-consuming, for example making every b-spec race about 2x the laps, is a middle finger.

that's part of what I don't like...so, halfway agree

Every GT game ever. If anything they're slowly improving on this. Cause they already have a 1990,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02,03,04 of every Japanese car ever, so it's only new Japanese cars being added.

I meant that some areas got the stealth 787B, some got the Stealth SLR, some got the McLaren F1, instead of having one set of cars that the entire world gets for each special/signature edition of the game that the people buy. also, how North America was left out of the competition for the real life SLS basically felt like a big middle finger to this part of the world...although, there may be something of equal value coming that I'm not aware of.

It is hog-*. But the in-car view for 200 some cars is better than the in car view for every GT1,2,3, and 4 car ever. Because there were none.

it's not just the lack of in car view, it's that you can change the wheels on them, and compared to the premium cars, they look like utter scheisse. granted, it doesn't make a lick of difference when driving them (except when you see the reflections on the hood of the car...*shudder*), I just like the photo mode, and these cars are crap compared to the premiums in this aspect.

Which argument? The fact GT4 was the same way? The fact GT1,2, and 3 didn't have used car lots? or the that's life, you can't always go to a dealer and expect they'll have every racing car you ever wanted in stock, nor can you buy 1 of a kind concepts in dealers at the time of your choosing.

so, because "that's life" means that's how it should be in the game? you know, it'd be super realistic if before we were allowed to race, we'd have to go hit the streets for a long time for sponsorship to even get the opportunity to race...something tells me that would fly with the general gaming public, though.....

as many or more races than GT1 or 3, and I just don't care about uploading to youtube. Oh, couldn't ever upload... couldn't play online with GT1,2,3,4.

GT4 had more races. and it's a different console generation. technology allows things that should be commonplace...also, another hyped feature that failed to appear in the released product

More than any other GT game.

that was an oversight on my part. it just feels like it has a small amount of tracks...although, I've been playing PC sims where there are nearly unlimited tracks. it would have been nice to see some older tracks return, though. SSR11 was probably my favorite track in GT history. such a flowing city track. hopefully it will be available as DLC.

17 more than GT4. I agree it's stupidly small, should easily be 30+, but 17's is better than the game where they took them out, isn't it?

again, different era. also, I recall GT2 having the RM available to nearly every car in the game...

Sounds are pretty good, better than any GT game to date.

I suppose this is perspective as well

Mine don't. Sorry.

again, probably perspective on what a car should handle like...but there seems to be a bias against american cars to me

Yup - back to the 90,91,92,93,94...... Still waiting for the billion Trans-Am... or even one. If car selection wasn't less biased than every other GT game, I would agree. But it's improved, still Japanese heaven, but improved.

again, we seem to see eye to here, too

They always leave out some kind of new American car, how about a new GT500? GT4 had an 06 Eclipse, but couldn't manage an 05 Cobalt, or Corvette, or ANY Firebird from Ever.
Now name the previous GT with a fox-body Mustang.

same as above

Worse than not being able to change paint? No. Otherwise stupider than legally retarded? Yes.

same as above

Yes no. GT4 had a wheel system like the used car system you've just complained about, sooo.. that leads to GT1,2,3 not being able to change wheels.

true, but still frustrating. I more meant I remembered there being manufacturers of wheels always there, then the "used wheel lot" type thing.

You have to level up, yes, it's stupid, but "better" than no damage. I personally don't care for damage because either the AI or online player next to you will collide with you whether intentional or not, and restarting 20 races in a row sucks, period.

I've heard that the "leveling up to get damage" thing is a false rumor

Been there since GT4, except people are being stupid enough to do it now, no idea why. Just don't do it constantly.

true it was, but it was more relying on how much you drove the car like the engine damage...not if you happened to nick a wall when pushing the limits of a prototype in practice, then you have to pay a ridiculous amounts of credits to get it handling right again...

How about NASCAR's going 240mph? But how is that worse than no NASCAR's? And what GT allowed positive camber?

NASCARs WOULD go 240mph if they didn't have restrictor plates...GT5 didn't model the NASCARs with restrictor plates, so they go 240mph...it's an aerodynamic bubble with 800-something hp...why shouldn't it go 240?

It's called licensing. And we do have 3 F1 cars of some form.

you apparently didn't read my previous response to this one...

Agreed. Worse than no F1 cars?

we see eye to eye on this one

Worse than previous titles? How so? Agreed on the lack of upgrade. Finally. You named 1 thing so far a previous GT game positively does better.

No worse than before, difference is it's more realistic when you ram them, or they ram you.
Agreed. 2 things.

I count 5 so far...

Don't care, but 3 things.

6

Not that annoying, but I guess another minor one.
Total: 4

7

A long list of reasons GT5 is better, but not as much better as it could be, and 4 minor reasons it's not as good.

your counting is a little off...

 

[FLIGHT50]

^ Man that took you awhile to do I bet. You can come on over to this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134826. Don't look like your getting much love here. We have been venting for awhile over here.

 

[Pone]

All those trying to give a "tough-luck" attitude should wake up to themselves. Many people have bought this game on the back of GT's reputation & past releases. The game was delayed roughly 12 months & all the GT5 website hailed numerous advances & an all-conquering & deep game. People are right pissed off to find that some basics aren't up to scratch. We are not all saying the game is failure. Many are saying it doesn't live up to expectations & I agree. Get off your high horses & be realistic, there are flaws that should have been addressed in development. For Christ's sake, it is even bloody tedious & annoying to do something as simple as changing tyres! Why the hell you can't do this in your garage is beyond me! The only way I've found to do it is either when you are entering an A-spec event or by going to practice, changing them over then exiting to have it save. This should part of tuning in your garage. And why can't autosave be disabled? I don't give a rats about what some developer thinks it should be, if I am buying the game & it is my profile, I should be able to save if, & when I want! The tyre change issue is very frustrating when you try to enter a B-spec event & get denied because you don't have the right tyres on. You have to exit out, go do the change in A-spec or practice then come back to B-spec. WTF? PD have alot to answer for. STOP trying to excuse these shortcomings. The game is good but could have been great & far more user-friendly.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Congratulations; the thread was closed while I had to prune an entire page worth's of useless spam/gif posts, and edit out references.

I've re-opened it for now, though I really see very, very little point in it when we have a myriad of similar threads. However, as this one is taking the stance of comparing to other games specifically in the GT series, that in itself is unique, and might, might bring some interesting discussion. Steer towards that direction.

There's a zero-tolerance policy in effect for personal insults, however. You don't like someone's argument? Argue that, don't sling mud. Next one to do it gets an early holiday vacation from the 'Planet.

 

[Drift260Z]

Pone has the right idea. I think all these are issues that can definitely be fixed with patches and such, but the problem is that it's a Gran Turismo game...it's like Kaz pretty much just focused solely on the driving side, and forgot about the actual interaction between the player and the game such as the menu stuff he was mentioning. kind of like having a great handling car that's affordable, but the interior is all wrong and it's really uncomfortable to drive...a good starting point, but needs a lot of refinement to get it to a level of really good quality.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

GT_Prologue5, I have a feeling that you would be one of those "100/100" people that BoneSawTX mentioned. for the GT-R thing, I mentioned it cause you specifically said "More weight= less handling"...I was pointing out flaws in your logic. all American cars aren't 40+ year old muscle cars. I wasn't comparing nice, awesome new japanese cars to old, mushy american dinosaurs. I was comparing on even fields.

again, 5-10 seconds ISN'T a long time, but starts to wear on you when you have to do the same thing over and over when in previous incarnations you made one change, and it stayed like that. no, I don't think everyone is retarded, just the ones who fail to show they have a working logic...such as you.

thank you. glad to see someone with a brain around here. I see he reported me over something that wasn't even a response to him because I guess he was just mad that I was able to make more logical sense then him, and now he's all butthurt about it.

I understand the point, I'm not 100/100, I'd give it a 90. It's not like we don't have our gripes, but does every single thing you listed come up when your racing? Driving around, "damn I wish we had brake upgrades." I just don't get it. The reason with the GT-R is because you said the GT-R is heavy, I was just making a point.

And I wasn't "butthurt" about the "triple facepalm." I noticed it was violating the AUP. Since I follow it (as do you), I reported it. I would've done it any thread, response to me or not. Whoever makes more logical sense doesn't matter, but an AUP violation does. It's like you're not getting anyone's point but your own. GT5 is a good simulator. I don't think it needs everything to be perfect, not just yet. That's why Gran Turismo is an ongoing project.

And my gripes are loading times, aero parts, options menu and the Manual, and the way my cars are sorted in my garage. These are the real ticks I have.

 

[rfcnkt]

I agree that there are a lot of issues with the game. I'm also a GT veteran and I was honestly let down after I put a few hours into the game. It's right in so many places yet wrong is so many as well. You can't put wheels on 80% of the 1000 cars in the game? What the hell is up with that? I feel that some of the standard cars in GT5 look worse than all the cars in GT4. I also don't like the new photo mode, I loved using it in GT4 but it seems more tedious with less options in GT5.

I just feel lied to, PD said there would be 1000 cars and realistic damage. Don't brag about features that aren't even how they sound. Yeah there are 1000 cars but only 20% of them are detailed to the PS3's full ability, and the damage is a joke. You also can't use your custom tracks with your friends online...what's the point then? You have to send the tracks to them and compare times...but why the compromise?

The Gran Turismo series is supposed to be the best, the most cutting edge, and the most entertaining...and it's really lacking this time compared to the previous versions imho.

With all that said, I still enjoy the game but it's annoyances are more than enough to make me question the future of the series.

 

[cygnus_zero]

"You also can't use your custom tracks with your friends online"

Lol, I didnt even know that. This is an example of a game that tries to do so much, that every aspect of it is half assed. I dont think there's one thing about this game that makes me feel like waiting 5 years was worth it.

Sure there's a lot in it, but none of it is really of the quality I thought it would be after this long.

 

[Osr20_L]

ULTRA REALISTIC DAMAGE SYSTEM !!!!

 

[KENJIusa]

I stopped Playing GT4 at 85%, GT3 89%, and sopped playing GT5 after 4 days. that said enough. The main reasons were the leveling system + lack of events + bad presentation (loading time between menus, they're not long, but they're annoying). Now I am waiting for the patches that fix the loading time and add more events, hopefully this will happen.

Also,I really dislike the car delivery option, if you have like 3 cars waiting for delivery, you have to seat there, wait for the scene to load, and the do it again again, again...

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Cars were given in a similar way in GT4 withotu the truck and the cards but the animated part was there to. Loading times are not bad. You have to understand this is loading a lot of data for the track and the cars that will be in the race. This is pretty typical for any game with this type of detail. Forza takes just as long or longer on every race as does all the others I have played recently.

Why would you want more events if you did not finish the ones that are already there?

What they need to do is focus on adding Credits and Xp to online play and add a good leaderboard system so we can compare times with our tuned cars.

 

[trk29]

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6599/121010234345.jpg/IMG]

ULTRA REALISTIC DAMAGE SYSTEM !!!! :dunce:[/QUOTE]

That is not very pretty!

 

[curtis_boy]

sorry I cant hold it in anymore but as a fun video game it doesnt hold up very well but as a car simulation on a hd tv its okay

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

It does not matter what your opinion is OP.

There fanboi's here, they will not say a bad thing about the game.

Forza 3 is better IMO.

/flame on!

In some ways Forza 3 is better. Leaderboards, Liveries, more upgrade options. Very nice private lobby options. A few really cool tracks that we do not have here. That is about it though from my point of view. Forza 3 has no public lobbies aside from that horrible hopper system that is such a big step backwards from Forza 2. GT5 beats Forza in the public online area and that is the biggest thing in racing right now and in the future.

Forza's class system started off pretty good. As of Forza 2 it still needed some work but it was not bad. I don;t know what happened with Forza 3 but it went backwards here too. Where R2 cars were all pretty even in FM2 they are all over the map in FM3, same for R3. Just sad how badly they screwed it up really.

I hope they pull thier head out of thier arse and fix this in Forza 4 but I will not hold my breath. I will contiue to play GT5 and hopefully PD will give use Online Credits and leaderboards very soon via update.

So long as we keep seeing updates I am not going to give up on GT5. If like T10 they start just ignoring us and patting themselves on the back then I will move on.

 

[HeadsoupBob]

My personal view:
All previous GTs included all features advertised at release time, this one did not.
All new features added in GT5 seem to me to be at 'novelty' status, not fully fleshed out, deep and fun.
The shadow jagginess (cockpit view especially) are a step down from the previous games, which, while not so dynamic, were effective enough and not annoying. Get it right if you're going to do it!
While the physics are better, the driving experience isn't really. If it wasn't for the physics changes I would think I'm still playing GT4, especially if I took a standard car on the Trial Mountain track. There has been NOTHING added to the driving experience. No qualifying, racing classes, reward points, enhanced cockpit ala NFS:Shift.
I was really looking forward to the leaps and bounds GT5 would be over it's predecessors, but all I got was new novelties to distract me for a while and a pretty boring career mode

 

[qtgt5fan]

Hmm I still gtpsp is the worst.

 

[FLIGHT50]

I stopped Playing GT4 at 85%, GT3 89%, and sopped playing GT5 after 4 days. that said enough. The main reasons were the leveling system + lack of events + bad presentation (loading time between menus, they're not long, but they're annoying). Now I am waiting for the patches that fix the loading time and add more events, hopefully this will happen.

Also,I really dislike the car delivery option, if you have like 3 cars waiting for delivery, you have to seat there, wait for the scene to load, and the do it again again, again...

Those are my main points for being pissed off. Before the 1.03 patch, the load time was like wtf. It was taking 60-120 seconds to load in some cases for me. GT4 only had like 10 or so more tracks than this one but the way they laid out GT4 seemed so much deeper than what we got. We were all let down. I can't believe after 5-6 years KY expected GT fans to be pleased with his efforts. He may have pulled a wow factor here and there but I think he forgot what made GT so popular to begin with = sim racing fans and give us something to feel rewarded from.

After playing GT4 for 4 years I still never got to 50% and I played regularly. I put GT5 on the back burner after less than 72 total hours of game play. GT5 needs a patch fix and it needs it fast.

 

[Tornado]

Loading times are not bad. You have to understand this is loading a lot of data for the track and the cars that will be in the race. This is pretty typical for any game with this type of detail.

10-15 seconds to load menus in GT Life. Not high-detail cars. Not high-detail tracks. Menus. And this is obviously a problem, because the interface in GT5 is just as overwrought with menus and submenus as it was in GT4, if not even worse than GT4 was.
And if PSN is running at anything other than optimum efficiency, those load times can double or even triple.

 

[Scaff]

Please do not start news threads when we already have (a very large) one covering the exact same ground.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134826

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