worst GT yet?

[Drift260Z]

hey guys, to start off no, I'm not trolling. I was just talking to a friend last night, and I believe, driving physics, graphics, and online play aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet.

here are my reasons why:

• the godawful leveling system causes headache inducing grind fests
• the b-spec mode that is mandatory to completion
• the some areas of the world got better "special" cars
• the entire premium/standard debacle and the number of problems that come along with it
• the used car lot that refuses to show you the cars you need to complete certain races or just simply want to own and drive
• the lack of races, lack of the "upload to youtube" feature that was promised
• the little amount of tracks
• the ridiculously small number of cars that can be race modified
• the sounds on most of the cars
• how most of the American cars handle suspiciously like crap
• how there's 30 something versions of the Miata
• but the new Mustang and the Fox Body is left out (one of the most prominent club racing cars being used today, Miata aside)
• the paint system
• the limited wheel/rim system
• the lack of advertised realistic damage
• the chassis refresh
• the crappy tuning options (no positive camber option and NASCAR's are in the game?....uh, wut?.....)
• how they put Indy in but no Indy Cars
• the fact that the Ferrari F1 cars are in the game, but you can't use them anywhere
• the really awful brakes and lack of brake upgrade options
• the really stupid AI]
• lack of fast forward/rewind in replay mode, and fast forward in b-spec mode
• the lack of saving setups
• having to turn the aids off for EVERY single car in the game (REALLY ANNOYING!!!!)

those are all I can think of at the moment, but feel free to add. yes, the game is ridiculously fun to drive, and the cars feel great, but the whole thing feels REALLY unfinished and rushed. I'm curious on others thoughts.

 

[Stune]

Well i like it

 

[negative1]

I'm going to have to say that I like GT5 as well. Also tired of seeing people complain. This is kind of a novel idea to most I'm sure, but if you don't like, stop playing it. Its your own fault for playing a game you don't like.

 

[Abriael]

"I believe, the whole game aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet"

/thread

PS: making just another thread to reiterate the same trite whines we hear hundreds of times may easily be considered trolling as well.

 

[Nooomoto]

I love GT5. I have no real complaints and fully expect that whatever issues I do find will be addressed by PD via patches.

I think GT5 is a love it or hate it kind of game. I don't think the casual gamer would love it, they'd probably hate it. They wouldn't understand the point or why at times it's so difficult. I think the game was targeted at life long GT fans and I am of the opinion they hit dead on the mark.

 

[Owen.C93]

No, it's the best so far IMO.

Also don't forget your capital letters

 

[Drift260Z]

I don't think the physics and the graphics are the "whole game". I said it's really fun to drive and all, but what I listed are small things that do add up.

 

[Abriael]

I don't think the physics and the graphics are the "whole game". I said it's really fun to drive and all, but what I listed are small things that do add up.

The driving, the online and the graphics do indeed make up the vast majority of the game. And the small things you listed, have been listedn in tens of other whinethreads. Go post in those with the others that think they could do better, thank you.

 

[Drift260Z]

also, I've been playing GT since GT1. granted, I don't play much games, but I'm not a "casual gamer" when it comes to racing sims. I do race in real life, too. so, I'm very much into the driving aspect of this stuff...not some COD addict who decided to buy GT5 cause it was pretty. glad people can take me seriously, though. why did I expect less...

 

[phil_2001]

Best physics yet in a GT game an that's why I love it. Worst part of the game is not the leveling system, it's the AI I cannot race normally against it, instead I try to avoid them all the time by passing them as quickly as possible so they stay behind and when they catch me I get very nervous. It was one moment once I thought I could kill the person who programmed the AI if he was there with me, or at least would smash the PS3 on his head. Terrible, terrible AI! PD please, you have to amke an effort to make a smarter AI otherwise this will still remain a driving game, just and ONLY that.

 

[MidianGTX]

Why do people keep saying B-spec is mandatory? What's gonna happen if you *gasp* don't play it? If it's down to mere trophy whorishness then sure, you should be forced to scrape every last aspect of the game down to the bone, but otherwise... don't click the B-spec icon!

Anyway, I like GT5 more than 3 and 4 so far, it's tied with 2 for best of the series.

 

[Josh88]

A. You're basically saying "GT5's strengths aside, this game sucks" which is absurd.

B. Do we need yet another thread for complaining about this game? It's getting really old.

 

[fdjizm]

My two major complaints would be the crazy leveling system that leaves you no choice but to do races over and over and over and over.
Also all the cars sound like my 98 civic.
5 years? sup with the sounds lol

 

[RWB1213]

My list was originally very similar to your list. With all the wait, and then hype, I think most folks couldn't help but be let down, and then formulate lists like yours.

The GT franchise has always been the pinnacle of console driving/racing, but with faults (AI for example.)

After much play, I really only have the following items as major shortcomings . . .
1. AI maybe better than previous GT titles, but that doesn't say much.
2. Credit/Level system is bent.
3. The game progression is hopelessly boring and still begs you to grind for level/credits.

I don't want to belittle your other issues, but for me they carry less weight than the three above.

In the end, GT5 was pushed out the door, pure and simple. I've noticed most the oldtimers who grew up on GT games are willing to forgive and forget as GT5 resembles previous GT titles in so many ways. Those more accustomed to other titles like Forza, F1, Grid, Dirt are asking, what is all the fuss over GT5?

 

[iLex]

I haven't played GT3, but out of GT1, 2, 4 and 5, the last is definatly the worst in terms of enjoyment for me. Sure, the game has lots of cars, better physics, better graphics... but this game made it clear to me that I am more a gamer with an enthusiasm for cars than a car freak with an enthusiasm for gaming.

There are some real problems holding me from fully enjoying the game. One is the lack of save capibilities when doing tournaments. The AI doesn't help much either.

I am contemplating switching to Xbox for the next generation of consoles. Forza might not be much of a simulator, but from what I've heard it is a good game.
Well, at least I'll wait for both Forza whatevernumbertheyreon and GT6 and decide based on the comments, I'm not going to blindly follow PD anymore

 

[RobGT81]

[*]how most of the American cars handle suspiciously like crap

Thats actually pretty realistic, apart from the Vette I guess.

 

[Tesla]

Every game series has a worst game of the series. It is dissappointing that GT5 is that game (so far), because of how mainstream it is, and many people who are new to the series will think that the quality of GT5 is how every game has been.

 

[Alex p.]

It IS the worst GT yet, period. I was more than disappointed. Crappy graphics and sound-sigh but I can live with that but to screw up the game design (gameplay, career) SO badly is almost unforgivable when you think of how much time they had and how good these elements were in ALL of the previous games.

 

[MQ84]

the lack of races

This is the worst aspect of GT5 for me, there just isn't enough to do. They must've taken something out of the game at the last minute for there to be this much grinding involved, surely they wouldn't have designed it like this would they?

 

[Drift260Z]

Why do people keep saying B-spec is mandatory? What's gonna happen if you *gasp* don't play it? If it's down to mere trophy whorishness then sure, you should be forced to scrape every last aspect of the game down to the bone, but otherwise... don't click the B-spec icon!

Anyway, I like GT5 more than 3 and 4 so far, it's tied with 2 for best of the series.

I said it was mandatory to completion. as in if you wanted to complete the game, you had to do B-spec. also, I just realized if you want the prize cars from those races, you have to do the B-spec races, too.

as far as what RWB1213 said, I consider myself one of those "old timers", but the people that are still praising this game and "overlooking" the huge faults are running the line of fanboy-ism. I dunno, I'm just disappointed with it. I figured a forum is a place to voice opinions, and I figured I'd voice mine...crazy idea though, right?

 

[Abriael]

In the end, GT5 was pushed out the door, pure and simple. I've noticed most the oldtimers who grew up on GT games are willing to forgive and forget as GT5 resembles previous GT titles in so many ways. Those more accustomed to other titles like Forza, F1, Grid, Dirt are asking, what is all the fuss over GT5?

The fuss is that it's simply much deeper and quite a lot better than all the titles you listed. The ones that have (still less) scope don't even get near the level of simulation in GT5, and those that have a good level of simulation (still a bit inferior to GT5) don't even get near to it's scope.
It's that simple.

I have to get a chuckle at the "CRAZY LEVELING SYSTEM" complaint. Considering that if you win all races the leveling curve will go pretty much alongside the race progression. I didn't need to grind one bit until I unlocked endurance races. And even there, the content of the game is almost complete and for sure there's no hurry to "consume" those as well.
After you've won all the races, what are you gonna do if not repeating them?

Overdramatization and exaggeration at it's best.

And lol at the complaint about american cars. Get over it mates, the US is well known third-world car manufacturing-wise. Anyone out of the US knows that. The same goes from americans of course, they just refuse to admit it. You don't win races with national pride alone.

I said it was mandatory to completion. as in if you wanted to complete the game, you had to do B-spec. also, I just realized if you want the prize cars from those races, you have to do the B-spec races, too.

Bull.
If you want those prize cars and you don't want to do B-spec, you can just buy them. NOTHING gained with B-spec lacks an alternative way of getting it.

I figured a forum is a place to voice opinions, and I figured I'd voice mine...crazy idea though, right?

If you want to tell us what a forum is, then know what a forum isn't: a place where to open a thread on the same topic over and over again, saying the same things that have been said in tens of others.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

There are things I liked better about GT4 but if I had to choose which to play I would pick GT5 if for no reason other than the graphics. The online play is a big deal though. It is fun as is and GT4 had nothing to compare to this and if they add the XP and credit system into the online it will be even better. Add a leaderboard system as well and it will be the best so far.

 

[ken2903]

I pretty much agree with the OP and i'll add the rallying to his list.

I've played the **** out of every GT since the first (except the psp one), every playstation I've ever bought has been for GT so i'm not new to the series. Other than the physics and graphics it is by far the worst. The physics are what I keep coming back for though so I try to block out all the other ****, if the OP or anyone else wants to have a whinge though, they have my support. WTF were Polyphony doing for so long?

And I'll add the rallying to the list of things polyphony should have left alone.

 

[A4r0_57!G]

What in my opinion and has been mentioned by some is what seems like a beta version or version 0.5; as Kaz said GT5 kind of marked the 2nd Chapter of Gran Turismo's history and how it will evolve in the coming years. You're right because they game tries to implement so many ideas, a lot of them where not as well thought through and so have small but niggling problems; but the foundation is there. A lot of what you described can be fixed by patches and (hopefully free) DLC and It think what also frustrates a lot of people is comparing it GT4 (which is slightly unfair) not mention the ridiculous hype it got.
The games not even been out for a month and people moaning to much about it.

Give it at least 3-6 months when we'll probably have a better clue of what GT5 is as a package then judge. Plus some of the issues you mentioned like paint, indy cars, b-spec, American car handling, AI, brakes, limited paint scheme, premium vs standard e.t.c are more personal experiences/preferences than issues with the game or model 200 cars to insane details just takes time..

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Did I mention online racing. For the first time in a GT title you can set up a race and run over the internet with your friends and/or meet new people. The career mode has been cut down a bit in GT5 because the trend is in online racing and that is really where the competition is at. Many of us have grown tired of beating up on the same slow AI over and over. Is much much better to race a human of equal ability much less 15 of them at once.

In that regaurd GT5 is the best ever.

 

[Abriael]

WTF were Polyphony doing for so long?

Working hard on the racing title with the widest scope of all times and the closest simulation of real driving on a console.

This is the most nonsenical whine of them all. If you don't understand "what they were doing", simply by gauging what the game includes, then you're a walking logical fallacy. Implying that they were doing something else than working their rear off is not only deeply disrespectful to other people's work, unrealistic and illogical, but a simple example of hardcore internet asshattery.

 

[Tompie913]

I don't agree with most of the reasons that the OP mentioned, but I would have to agree that GT5 is the worst GT game yet. Yes, it is a better game than GT1 or GT4, in a direct comparison, and it's a very good game in general. But when you consider the era in which GT1 came out, and consider the era in which GT5 has come out, you can start to see the problems. Remember though, I'm not saying that it's bad by any means.

But all of the past games have a few things in common that GT5 doesn't quite live up to.
For one thing, the past games have all had a certain level of polish to them. GT games have always been one of the most polished games around, but GT5 isn't really. There is alot of stuff that seems missing or unoptimized, and there's the Standard and Premium cars. Damage, which is downright ugly, is also a good example of this.

Also, all of the past games have had a graphical level that was simply incomparable to anything on the same console. GT5, while very good, is not the mindbogglingly-good graphics that we've always seen. They are definitely better, and by quite a bit, but the gap has shrunk dramatically.

And most importantly, GT5 doesn't blow away the competition as much as past GT games. Yes, I'm talking about Forza 3. I would have to say that GT5 is better than Forza, but I know many would disagree. I can completely understand why. The biggest thing to me is that Forza has so many of the things which just seem like common sense these days, and GT doesn't.

Let's go through this by each game:
GT1 was great because it was so far ahead of anything else around in every way. GT2 just extended that lead. GT5 is not really all that far ahead of the competition.

GT3 was great because it was a remarkable technical achievement at the beginning of a new generation of consoles. GT5, while remarkable, came out 5 years into this generation. A large amount of the "wow" factor is gone.

GT4, in my opinion the second weakest of the series, was still greater than GT5 because it was so extremely polished, which as I said earlier, GT5 is not.

Again, I'm not saying that GT5 is not a good game; it's great. But in a series with a tradition of excellence, I think that it comes up a bit short.

On the other hand, I think GT5 signals a new era of GT games. GT4 was just a refinement of GT3, and it was getting to be a bit tired of a formula. GT5, with damage and online, is the start of a new, more modern Gran Turismo. So I have nothing but optimism for GT6.

 

[Drift260Z]

Abriael...lol. I love how you paint me with a broad brush and don't know the slightest thing about me, or what car I drive, or what sort of interests I have. and you look down your Italian nose at me to lump me in with the global stereotype of an American. jeeze, get over yourself. I know America made horrible cars from the mid/late 70's to the early 2000's, but we've also made some really great ones, and still do. not to mention our racing vehicles perform well on tracks, and I guess completely ignore all the technical innovations we've given the world...but what do we know about cars...Italy has Ferrari, right?! shove off and right out of my thread if you're gonna bring that sort of closed mindedness in here.

also, yes...the rally is super irritating. the random course generation was AN AMAZING IDEA!!!!.....then they screwed it up by having the co-driver read the pace notes when you're pretty much in the braking zone...fail....

 

[Abriael]

Abriael...lol. I love how you paint me with a broad brush and don't know the slightest thing about me, or what car I drive, or what sort of interests I do. and you look down your Italian nose at me to lump me in with the global stereotype of an American. jeeze, get over yourself. I know America made horrible cars from the mid/late 70's to the early 2000's, but we've also made some really great ones, and still do. not to mention our racing vehicles perform well on tracks, and I guess completely ignore all the technical innovations we've given the world...but what do we know about cars...Italy has Ferrari, right?! shove off and right out of my thread if you're gonna bring that sort of closed mindedness in here.

Sorry to say, but when you go public, you have to expect responses, even disagreeing responses. Otherwise get a blog, make it closed to your little circle of friends that will nod at what you say, and write there.

Dictating who can and who cannot respond to your misguided and repeatitive thread isn't exactly something a forum is for.

If PD had anything against American cars, by the way, they would have put in some of the many more interesting racing leagues around the world, instead of subjecting us to the worst and most boring motorsport of all times (Nascar).

 

[Drift260Z]

when responding to a topic, it usually makes sense to keep it on topic instead of insulting the OP with stereotypes and so forth...you know...USUALLY...............