WRC 3 - 2012 (Milestone games)

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After watching the ISR preview, I see that the graphics are stunning, but judging by the videos the physics do not look that great... Of course I can't judge that without actually driving it, but for some reason it doesn't really look that sim-ish. Let's hope I'm wrong and the game turns out to be great, because it certainly looks promising, depending on physics.
 
MildAshers
Not yet, Check out the VVV videos earlier in the thread though, he seemed pretty impressed with the physics, as did ISR.
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Yeah, I did check the vids thanks, in some sections the physics looked pretty good but in many others it looked strange, I was hoping they would say they physics are also a work in progress.

Coxis
After watching the ISR preview, I see that the graphics are stunning, but judging by the videos the physics do not look that great... Of course I can't judge that without actually driving it, but for some reason it doesn't really look that sim-ish. Let's hope I'm wrong and the game turns out to be great, because it certainly looks promising, depending on physics.
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Yep these are my thoughts also and I really hope I am wrong.
 
New gameplay video, DS3 on Portugal, still WIP on the sounds, PS3 version.



I have to say the co-driver does sound a lot better, not Nicky Gtist levels of good from the CMR games but definitely better than WRC2's annoying drone of a co-driver.
 
Please tell me they won't be recycling elements of the backdrops across different rallies. I'm sure one of the Team VVV videos posted the other day had a stage running under a highway overpass as well.

Still, it's good to see that Milestone aren't doing what Black Bean did, running the stages through high-sided gullies and cuttings to minimise the amount of graphical detail on the screen at any one time.
 
Not sure, I dont remember personally. There were a few stages in WRC2 that had an underpass, they were not recycled across though.

Black Bean I believe were only the publishers, Milestone have always been the devs. But yes it is nice that so far the stages seem a bit more open to showing off the enviroments and they look a lot better so far.
 
I'm loving what I'm seeing so far. Just tweak the physics some more. I hope Codemasters are taking notice. If not, I'm definitely getting this instead.
 
I think here are certain accents that you can only really have a co-driver speaking in English; Welsh, Scottish or Yorkshire all work well, but Home Counties, anywhere in the Midlands, NE or NW I think are wrong. Worst of all though are Cockney and Essex accents.

I think the stages are still too short. When are we going to see proper 15-20 mile, 10 minutes stages on a console?
 
DG_Silva
When are we going to see proper 15-20 mile, 10 minutes stages on a console?
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Probably not any time soon. The games are being designed for hardware that is quickly approaching the end of its life-cycle. It probably can't handle much more than what Milestone is already asking of it. I'm not sure the next generation of consoles will be able to handle such long stages, wither. And, of course, with this being a multi-platform release, there has to be parity between the versions of the game.
 
prisonermonkeys
Probably not any time soon. The games are being designed for hardware that is quickly approaching the end of its life-cycle. It probably can't handle much more than what Milestone is already asking of it. I'm not sure the next generation of consoles will be able to handle such long stages, wither. And, of course, with this being a multi-platform release, there has to be parity between the versions of the game.
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I also think that the majority of gamers won't like it that much as we would. The could easily do it if they wanted to. I mean If The nordschleife is in almost every racing game why not 25 kilometer dirt tracks?
 
I played the first WRC, wasnt really impressed with it, didnt play the second game..but ive been watching the vids in this thread and i think the game looks good but ill rent it rather than buy it!
 
PletdeKoe
I also think that the majority of gamers won't like it that much as we would. The could easily do it if they wanted to. I mean If The nordschleife is in almost every racing game why not 25 kilometer dirt tracks?
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The Nordschleife is one track, Rally games in my opinion need at least 6 stages per rally.

WRC3 nailed it for me on the ps2, 8 stages per rally, 125 stages in the game, some up to 9 minutes long.
 
Us Reading folk need to stick together :lol: :sly:

I remember how good WRC3 was on the PS2. Lost many an hour having fun on that. Have waited long time for a half decent rally game on the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I find Dirt 2 and 3 fun but like everyone else a longer more challenging rally game would be welcome.

Fingers crossed that the new WRC3 is even half what the old PS2 one was... It's in their own interests to make it better if they can, since if they release a decent game the sales would surely go exponential as there isn't exactly a huge amount of good competition around in the rally area at the moment...
 
sirjim73
Us Reading folk need to stick together :lol: :sly:

I remember how good WRC3 was on the PS2. Lost many an hour having fun on that. Have waited long time for a half decent rally game on the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I find Dirt 2 and 3 fun but like everyone else a longer more challenging rally game would be welcome.

Fingers crossed that the new WRC3 is even half what the old PS2 one was... It's in their own interests to make it better if they can, since if they release a decent game the sales would surely go exponential as there isn't exactly a huge amount of good competition around in the rally area at the moment...
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Hello there fellow Reading-er! Only been here a few months :)

WRC 3 was probably the game I played most on PS2, WRC 4 close behind but I always thought 3 was better. As you say if this can get within touch of either it will be great.
 
MildAshers
Hello there fellow Reading-er! Only been here a few months :)
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A word of warning. It's my birthday outing in town tomorrow night so you may want to keep away :crazy: :lol:

If there is a decent co-op mode to this we will have to meet up in October :lol:

Have a great weekend everyone!
 
PletdeKoe
I also think that the majority of gamers won't like it that much as we would. The could easily do it if they wanted to. I mean If The nordschleife is in almost every racing game why not 25 kilometer dirt tracks?
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I think it's a question of balance - the stages need to be long enough to be challenging, but not so long that the player loses interest halfway through.

Looking at the gameplay videos again, I do confess that I am a little concerned. Some of the stages lack flow, and while DIRT 3's stages were often far too short, there was a certain rhythm to them, so that even when you were going through slow sections, you felt like you were carrying some speed and you could easily reclaim your momentum (though that may have had something to so with the physics engine as well). I'm not really seeing that in WRC 3. All of the really fast sections look like they're broken up by agonising little chicanes and the odd switchback, so the rhythm going into the corners is inconsistent and the extra corners pointless. Maybe that's just a trait of the Portugal stages, for instance, but I'm afraid that the net effect is one where the game isn't much fun.
 
Hi all

I have both WRC1 and WRC2, I enjoyed the first game, but thought it could have been better, it terms of sound, graphics and physics.

I really enjoyed the second (especially as we were able to use the 4th gear on the shifter on the G27 as a handbrake!), I thought it was an improvement on the first. Loved the super special stages!

The only thing I REALLY hated in both games was the pace notes and the co-driver! A hairpin seemed to describe any sort of turn less than 90 degrees and you only found out if you needed the handbrake at the last minute!

Also, it was sooo frustrating when the co-driver would start berrating you or telling you how great you are when he should have been telling you about the crest before the 'right two'! The ONLY thing I want to hear out of his mouth is pace notes!

I haven't heard it mentioned in any of the reviews yet regaring the the co-driver making any wise cracks when you make a mistake, but I have listened carefully to the audio when watching vids and when the car crashes or makes a wrong move and I didn't hear any smart-ass remarks, just pace notes.

I hope it stays that way, I would be buying WRC3 anyway, but now I can't wait for release and get down to some proper rallying without the sarcastic passenger next to me!

Drive fast or drive home!
 
Good read, thanks. So 2 DLC packs confirmed and a career mode announcement soon, can't wait :D
 
prisonermonkeys
I...All of the really fast sections look like they're broken up by agonising little chicanes and the odd switchback, so the rhythm going into the corners is inconsistent and the extra corners pointless. Maybe that's just a trait of the Portugal stages, for instance, but I'm afraid that the net effect is one where the game isn't much fun.
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WRC2 Argentina as well as Sardinia were like the new Portugal stages, also true to some extent for the Acropolis Rally stages in Greece.

Personally speaking, the slower Argentinian stages were really fun because of those technicalities mixing it up with regards to how far you can push hard before needing to brake for the complex turns.

As to the comment about the devs not listening to player feedback from 1 to 2 and so expecting nothing better from 3: I'd say that WRC3's footage is a direct contradiction to that. I think that the game engine in 1 and 2 was the limiting factor. Sure they didn't respond to Facebook comments, but I think WRC3 is showing healthy signs of note being taken regarding what has already been asked for, especially now that they have this new engine.

Funny that everyone likes the improved co-driver voice - I think he sounds like a wingman from WWII :) I would be happier without the snide comments though - that doesn't do anyone any favours really.
 
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MildAshers
I don't think flow exists in rallying, thats a circuit thing.
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?????? There is definitly flow while driving a rally. There is a great documentary about the danger years of rally. Some drivers speak of flow and even tunnelvision on stages. I forgot the name, it was something like "the dangerous rally" or "rally, the danger years".
 
Yeah a flow in driving yes, I mean in the stages. Real stages can be broken up by chicanes, tight corners and sections etc.
 
The more i see,hear and read about the third instalment of the WRC franchise the more confident i am that they are going to actually give us rally fans a game that is worthy of the spectacle that is timed stage WRC adrenaline fuelled heaven.
 
wrcfocuslive
The more i see,hear and read about the third instalment of the WRC franchise the more confident i am that they are going to actually give us rally fans a game that is worthy of the spectacle that is timed stage WRC adrenaline fuelled heaven.
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I completly agree! 👍

At first i though this was just another game!

but now its shaping up to be something quite special!!
 
What I also find interesting from that interview is that they are not stopping with the third installment. They have the WRC license for three years, maybe four according to some sources - from the interview they look like continuing on with this past that point.

I enjoyed the first two, despite a few reservations after playing the demo for one and with the vast improvement in the third installment, this now looks really promising for the coming years also - not just three or four.
 
I pre-ordered WRC3 at Gamestation on Saturday. Only went in to trade a few games for my 5yr old. I'm looking forward to it and I hope it doesn't disappoint. The trouble with me is, despite how bad reviews are I can't help but having to find out for myself. I kick myself afterwards but I do it time and again. Just last week I bought a pre-owned Shift 2 Unleashed. I had a couple of laps of Bathurst and took it back that Saturday, tried everything to get the settings right on my wheel, I watched that insidesimracing video with Tom Hakke, tried the forums and various suggestions. No luck, it just didn't feel right. Shame.

Anyway, going off topic. I'm not fussed about much, I just want WRC3 to feel right with the wheel.

Edit: Everytime I go in I ask about WRC2, they never have it. Should I bother?
 
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