WRC 3 - 2012 (Milestone games)

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I don't care, I get MAD, I just hope Codesuckers build a new DiRT ASAP anyway. :grumpy:

Well.... Wanna a better Rally Game is looks like dive to hell? hmmmmmmm.....
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Sounds like you get mad easily and don't really like any studio.

I seriously don't think there will be a better rally game for quite some time - and as has been said, why not wait until the game is completed before making a judgement.
 
At ;least for all it's faults the BB WRC series has been pretty much the only proper old school rally sim on consoles.
 
MildAshers
But thats not really a reason. You said sounds are bad, they told you they are not the final sounds, it says in the video they are not the final sounds. You are just being ignorant.
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I never talk about sound quality.

All "Sound quality" comment by others.
Also, these and my comments are very early comment (here are 5-6 comments) of this video.

But the fact is, PQube has removed all "disappointed comment" until "Good comment" out.
 
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I never talk about sound quality.

All "Sound quality" comment by others.
Also, these and my comments are very early comment (here are 5-6 comments) of this video.

But the fact is, PQube has removed all "disappointed comment" until "Good comment" out.
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You never talk about sound quality? Your youtube comment was "Sound are crap"...
 
MeanElf
I seriously don't think there will be a better rally game for quite some time - and as has been said, why not wait until the game is completed before making a judgement.
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I know this is WIP.
They release their video to show their current develop progress.

But they have remove most disappointed comment from their video. I couldn't thought they will guarantee to build a better games.
 
Again, PQube is not the game developer. As far as I can see, they only distribute the game, and then only in the UK.

They didn't make the game in other words.
 
To what? You said the sound are crap even though the sound not finished.

Their solution was to delete false information based on fact..you provided false information against the fact that the sounds are not finished. They blocked you on Facebook indicating you were saying bad stuff against them there too. I would ban you if I was them.
 
extreme sillyness...
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Perhaps this is just a misunderstanding. When they say sounds and graphics are not final, that also means the pacenotes (the words) themselves are not final. Not all the stages have pacenotes yet, they are still recording them. They probably want to make sure all the pacenotes have been recorded for every stage, before they start fixing any errors / spending extensive time improving them. And keep in mind they are recording them in 5 languagues (EFGIS), and they are a small italian game studio, they likely won't finalise many things until just before they start shipping the game.

I hope that makes sense, and if that's not the problem then, whatever :)

This game looks really promising. It looks to me like this will definately be a way better rally game then DiRT, which'll make it the best rally game on consoles, which'll mean I'll have to buy it :)
 
If they said "We will feedback to Milestone games about this issues." I would feel better.

However they deleted all disappointed comments and keep only good comments on board.
I did feel they don't care feedback by any potential buyer.
 
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What happened to rally games?

You go back to PS1, you had V-Rally 1 and 2, Colin Mcrae Rally 1 and 2, Tommi Makinen Rally, WRC Arcade, Rally Masters and Mobil 1 Rally Championship.

PS2 had, Colin Mcrae Rally 3, 4 and 5, Richard Burns Rally, WRC 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, Paris Dakar Rally, Euro Rally Champion, Pro Rally 2002 and V Rally 3.

Current gen? WRC 1 and 2, Colin Mcrae Dirt 1.

Where did it go wrong? Why did interest in point to point stage rallying die? Who killed it? Long live Milestone as long as they produce proper rallying!
 
They have nothing to do with making the game, and I'm sure Milestone already know what needs to improve. It'll take time though, which is why it's being released in October, so that they'll have time to improve everything :)
 
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If they said "We will feedback to Milestone games about this issues." I would feel better.

However they deleted all disappointed comments and keep only good comments on board.
I did feel they don't care feedback from any potential buyer.
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Feedback for what? You pointed out the obvious, the sounds are not finished. Jeez is it that difficult to understand?
 
Anyway, by this case
I leave my comment to right place.


but still have a bad impression of whole game. (I have watch theirs SS video too. hmmmm Well..)



If Richard still here, the world may much better.


MildAshers
Feedback for what? You pointed out the obvious, the sounds are not finished. Jeez is it that difficult to understand?
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I just thought they are "Modularized Voice Event" (Like puzzle "Left 6" "into" "Right 5" bababa, like RBR) more than "Full recorded voice data" (Continuous "Left 6 into Right 5 bababa" like CMR or DiRT )
 
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This topic has gone on for 12 pages now, mostly resurfacing every few weeks when more news comes out - a few posts at a time. In one day, it has increased from 10 to 12 pages all through one person's campaign against a website that really has nothing to do with the making of this game itself.

Okay, you're upset - so go talk to PQube. Your comments otherwise have no relevance to the game WRC3 or its devs. You are simply wasting space here.

Please go and talk to those who you feel have wronged you.
 
MildAshers
What happened to rally games?

You go back to PS1, you had V-Rally 1 and 2, Colin Mcrae Rally 1 and 2, Tommi Makinen Rally, WRC Arcade, Rally Masters and Mobil 1 Rally Championship.

PS2 had, Colin Mcrae Rally 3, 4 and 5, Richard Burns Rally, WRC 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, Paris Dakar Rally, Euro Rally Champion, Pro Rally 2002 and V Rally 3.

Current gen? WRC 1 and 2, Colin Mcrae Dirt 1.

Where did it go wrong? Why did interest in point to point stage rallying die? Who killed it? Long live Milestone as long as they produce proper rallying!
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Extremely long post short, I blame it on:
- Sebastian 'Just call me "Schumacher on Dirt"' Loeb sucking all the fun out of it, just as Michael did to F1 for a while
- The great team cull that left just Ford and Citroen at it until Mini, VW and possibly others (haven't checked in a while) joined in
- Continued lack of American interest in point-to-point rallying
- The rise of X-Games special stages
- A general lack of interest in sims of any kind on consoles, the now-prevalent format (wasn't like that in previous generations)...

I think that's all I can come up with. I have no idea why the PC market has been neglected, though, just look at how well the other sims do. Combine that with the huge gap in the market for a properly realistic rally game... The answer could actually be to do with licensing, maybe.

So yeah, I've got high hopes for this and may just buy it regardless to desperately help prove that there's a market for a decent rally sim!
 
MeanElf
Please go and talk to those who you feel have wronged you.
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Alright I'm Noob~.

neema_t
Extremely long post short, I blame it on:
- Sebastian 'Just call me "Schumacher on Dirt"' Loeb sucking all the fun out of it, just as Michael did to F1 for a while
- The great team cull that left just Ford and Citroen at it until Mini, VW and possibly others (haven't checked in a while) joined in
- Continued lack of American interest in point-to-point rallying
- The rise of X-Games special stages
- A general lack of interest in sims of any kind on consoles, the now-prevalent format (wasn't like that in previous generations)...

I think that's all I can come up with. I have no idea why the PC market has been neglected, though, just look at how well the other sims do. Combine that with the huge gap in the market for a properly realistic rally game... The answer could actually be to do with licensing, maybe.

So yeah, I've got high hopes for this and may just buy it regardless to desperately help prove that there's a market for a decent rally sim!
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I did think is Microsoft, FPS rise kill the motorsport games.

before 2005, FPS didn't sells a lot on console. but now this over 100 titles on Xbox360.

If focus only on Asia, Head to head Hill racing and Highway battles.
Are popular before 2005. But I could told you. "Wangan Midnight" and "Initial D EXTREME STAGE" are final Race game title by 3rd Party Japanese developer on console platform※.

After the "Wangan Midnight", developer has a plan to develop a brand new "Shutokou battle", unfortunately they got finance trouble and now focus on mobile game only.

SEGA still develop Initial D on arcade but the quality looks drop.
NBGI still build racing game but for Arcade and new console too.※




Also "fast food culture" (here means game just like fast food).
If the game not simple clean and Free, no one spent time for it.

Now have some new Asian teenager say "Why we need spent cash for killing a lot of time?"

Purchase a PS Vita or 3DS for gaming? Why don't Android and iPhone? (Don't care that jailbreak or not, They must have a mobile phone.)

Drive 20 minutes for one Special Stage? They prefer 20 minutes for 4 Gunshot battles or slow life game (Coin Pusher or angry birds..)

Well... They need a shorter & limited time to feels fun.
Our age is gone...



※Forgot Ridge Racer Please, NBGI has define this series as new platform only. PSP Ridge Racer 1 and Ridge Racer 2 is release on early stage PSP.
Ridge Racer on PS Vita? Full game is 3Tracks 6 layout, and fewer car... Could you expected they sells Full DLC as expensive as a Full Game Copy?
Also, that Ridge Racer Unbounded are never sold in Japan.

※SEGA Rally Revo is developed by SEGA Europe.
 
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neema_t
- Continued lack of American interest in point-to-point rallying
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I don't see why the sport needs the approval of American audiences in order to be a success - especially since the domestic rally scene in America is fledgling at best. If I was organising the calendar for next year's championship, I'd certainly try and get an American rally going ... but I'd also be looking at events in Austria, Croatia, India, Estonia and/or Japan, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep if a rally in America fell through.

Europe is where this game will have its fanbase. It may only be a niche market in America, and hopefully Ken Block's part-time presence in the series will trigger some interest. Right now, America's best chance is Chris Duplessis, who is driving in the WRC Academy this year - but because of the age restrictions, this will be his only year. He retired in Portugal, came sixth in Greece, sixth in Finland, and the results from Germany haven't been published yet. He's no Elfyn Evans, but maybe he can get a Group R drive next year if he can raise enough money.
 
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...Also "fast food culture" (here means game just like fast food)...
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Agreed - recent games do seem to have focused on 'more accessibility' over what people liked about them and what helped make them a viable title.

I think what Neema is talking about Prisoner, is the American market as a target to boost sales - y'know, the old chesnut that if something can make it in America, it has made the big time.

I don't think Milestone/Black Bean are interested in that though, as they didn't even make the game available in the US for the first two - that might be an inability to find a distributor willing to carry it however; in truth, I don't know.
 
MeanElf
I think what Neema is talking about Prisoner, is the American market as a target to boost sales - y'know, the old chesnut that if something can make it in America, it has made the big time.
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That is pretty much it, yeah.

Look at the most popular games of this generation; they've all involved America in some way. The only one I can think of (and to be fair I'm really not thinking right now) that hasn't featured America in a big way is Metro 2033. GTA IV: Set in America. Uncharted: American heroes. Call of Duty: Obvious. Battlefield: Also obvious. Saints Row 3: Set in a fictional American city. Just Cause 2: You're some sort of American agent. Sniper Elite V2 (ok, that's not popular in the slightest but it just came to mind): You're an American sniper. Homefront: That's pretty obvious too. Popular driving games (not sims) like Burnout Paradise, Need for Speed whatever, Dirt and Grid feel are extremely American, too. Even sci fi games use heroes with American accents to imply that they're American and acting on behalf of America rather than the human race overall; Mass Effect, for example, when I played that I thought I was playing as an American rather than as a human (that's not to say Americans aren't human, of course!) when I thought I was supposed to be acting on behalf of the human presence in the universe, if you get what I mean.

So my point was that if you look at the popular games of this generation then removed those that featured America in a big way you'd be left with very little. I'm not suggesting WRC 3 has to be one of the biggest games of this generation in order to be successful, either, the original question was 'why have there been so few rally games in this generation?' after all.

Also, looking at stage rally as a sport, America has never been that interested in it but it was once a lot more prominent than it is, so I never intended to suggest that America has any influence on its popularity as a sport. Looking at it as a sport in a videogame is different, however.
 
How could WRC 2012 incorporate America when there are no American rallies, teams or drivers (outside Duplessis and the occasional appearance from Block) in the series? Milestone are limited in what they can do by the licence from the FIA and the promoter - they can't just add content that isn't based on anything in real life.
 
Its all the same as why Europe doesn't get a NASCAR release. It just isn't popular enough its that simple.
 
prisonermonkeys
How could WRC 2012 incorporate America when there are no American rallies, teams or drivers (outside Duplessis and the occasional appearance from Block) in the series? Milestone are limited in what they can do by the licence from the FIA and the promoter - they can't just add content that isn't based on anything in real life.
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I wasn't suggesting they should, as MildAshers said there are just some things that appeal purely to specific regions and gain barely any traction elsewhere. Besides, the question I was addressing was about why there aren't so many rally games now as there used to be.
 

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