WTCC | World Touring Car Championship | Super 2000 regs

[somebodysb2]

no, but tuned to 300bhp, the Atenza was much faster with the low rpm turbo than without. It required less intervention with the power limiter too.I'm wondering if the same would be the case with the Integra?

Also, with the 305hp limit, could the 135i be fitted with the sports exhaust?

for the 135i, yes.

BUT, I'm thinking of banning all turbos kits for cars that can reach 305~ in NA config, simply because the turbo can kick in @its RPM range and the person will just speed away. In other words, cars like alfa 147 06' and crz are allowed to use it, because with turbo they just fit in with 300 HP.

Cars that need it can use it, cars that don't need it cannot use it.

 

[si_berian_tiger]

Re-read, and I completely agree with you on that one. It does make things much fairer.

 

[TWOGIRLS1JOE]

Can i have the 135i please mate.
By far my favourite
+ any testing sessions up tonight?

 

[smalldave]

If there's space, I too will have a BMW 135i

 

[si_berian_tiger]

I think I'll online from about 9.30pm for an hour or so. If I am, testing will be in my lounge.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

johnboy/Gik:

would you guys like to change cars since the 320 TC is off the pace?

Can we try the 320 tc with more bhp and up the pp so we can have more downforce also re set the weight to 1140kg this might bring it up to speed with the others worth a try to see????💡

If not may change to Focus ST will test first.Unsure of current regs have they been updated across the board~??~

Save messing about will go with the Focus ST at this STAGE just need regs clearing up can see people fitting stage 3 engines and lowering hp with power limiter theres no easy way to check this other than race pace ive no problem with stage 3 as long as we are all doing the same thing??? Lots more testing needed guys!!

 

[somebodysb2]

Can we try the 320 tc with more bhp and up the pp so we can have more downforce also re set the weight to 1140kg this might bring it up to speed with the others worth a try to see????💡

If not may change to Focus ST will test first.Unsure of current regs have they been updated across the board~??~

Save messing about will go with the Focus ST at this STAGE just need regs clearing up can see people fitting stage 3 engines and lowering hp with power limiter theres no easy way to check this other than race pace ive no problem with stage 3 as long as we are all doing the same thing??? Lots more testing needed guys!!

I'm limiting the TC because you can set both front and back downforce. and @stock weight, it absolutely murders all the other cars in my tests, 2 seconds faster. I think since you and johnboy are in the same team and one guy already wants the Focus ST, maybe you guys should look into the Volvo C30? It's on par with the Focus ST in my tests.

online has hp limiter, I'm setting it to 305.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

I'm limiting the TC because you can set both front and back downforce. and @stock weight, it absolutely murders all the other cars in my tests, 2 seconds faster. I think since you and johnboy are in the same team and one guy already wants the Focus ST, maybe you guys should look into the Volvo C30? It's on par with the Focus ST in my tests.

online has hp limiter, I'm setting it to 305.

Ok so whats to stop people fitting a stage 3 engine and de tuning to hit max regs no engine mods on the road cars or has this changed?? You cannot notice a stage 3 engine where as you can notice the turbos not being awkward just want to get it right.

 

[smalldave]

The touring car may be better on the long runs, because with more front downforce it would look after it's tyres better, and you'll need less of an aggressive set-up to get decent turn in Just a thought.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Me and gik69 will go with the volvo then wot the hell b2 can you just post the simple regs as they stand right now please??

 

[Gedi69]

Me and gik69 will go with the volvo then wot the hell b2 can you just post the simple regs as they stand right now please??

Sounds good to me

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Sounds good to me

Clear ya pm's down grrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Floaty_Mexican]

im interested in joining, add me please. Ill be in a bright green alfa 147 (yes, bright green 👍 )

 

[somebodysb2]

Me and gik69 will go with the volvo then wot the hell b2 can you just post the simple regs as they stand right now please??

Read the OP. I update it all the time.

 

[somebodysb2]

The touring car may be better on the long runs, because with more front downforce it would look after it's tyres better, and you'll need less of an aggressive set-up to get decent turn in Just a thought.

This.

As seen on TV, BMW's almost always have the upper hand in the end part of the race because of real wheel drive. In Monza 2010, the 2 leading FF cars (Seat and Chevy) had their tires blow in the last corner, the 2 BMW's behind took the victory.

 

[Gedi69]

This.

As seen on TV, BMW's almost always have the upper hand in the end part of the race because of real wheel drive. In Monza 2010, the 2 leading FF cars (Seat and Chevy) had their tires blow in the last corner, the 2 BMW's behind took the victory.

True but the tyres in this game are not realistic enough

 

[si_berian_tiger]

TWOGIRLS1JOE, smalldave, Matt-GT and myself had an enjoyable testing session last night at GVE. Very close overall. Some 'interesting' lagging though, including an invisible wall in the middle of the track at the exit on the tunnel.

There is little point discussing individual car performance and performance equalizing until everyone gets together for the official test sessions.

As an aside 'somebody', it might be a good idea to list confirmed entrants together in teams. This means other wishing to join can see who is without a team mate.

A good format might be....

person 1 & person 2
car
colour scheme.

For example:

Si_berian_tiger & Matt-GT
Honda Integra R (DC5)
Orange & Black.

Finally, do team mates have to have the same colour scheme? Matt and I are the same colour, but currently have them the opposite way round.

 

[somebodysb2]

Race times: 1pm UK? only feasible time for me since I'm GMT+8, so yeah, this race suits guys in Asia and Europe, not north america.

@si and matt:
I feel that cars that don't look like touring cars (example: integra) shouldn't take part for authenticity reasons, as for 3 door touring cars, heres an alfa irl:

 

[si_berian_tiger]

Weekdays or Weekends?

 

[somebodysb2]

Weekdays or Weekends?

both are fine

re-read previous post by me.

quote from OP:

The cars must have 3 or 4 or 5 doors, no 2 doors sports cars because this is a authentic touring car experience.

can you guys just revert back to your Atenza's?

 

[si_berian_tiger]

I feel that cars that don't look like touring cars (example: integra) shouldn't take part for authenticity reasons

There's an Integra in the BTCC this year, entered by Lea Wood. The car has been running in the BTCC since the start of the millennium, in several specifications. It's also classed as a 3 door, as the 'boot' opens as a hatchback.

 

[somebodysb2]

There's an Integra in the BTCC this year: http://www.btcc.net/images/gallery/st_6982_934a.jpg They have been running in the BTCC since the start of the millennium, in several specifications. It's also classed as a 3 door, as the 'boot' opens as a hatchback.

Thats BTC spec, this series is S2000...

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Wouldnt it just be easier for B2 to list the choice of car he will allow this could drag on otherwise

 

[somebodysb2]

Wouldnt it just be easier for B2 to list the choice of car he will allow this could drag on otherwise

Ok, these are the ones off the top of my head:
135i (2/2 taken)
C4 (0/2 taken)
ST (1/2 taken)
Atenza New (0/2 taken)
147 (1/2 taken)
330i (0/2 taken)
C30 (2/2 taken)

 

[si_berian_tiger]

A list of eligible cars would be good. I have no idea what car to go with now, since the rules keep changing.

I assume that the most recent rule change also bans the 135i and CR-Z?

 

[V8-Johnboy]

A list of eligible cars would be good. I have no idea what car to go with now, since the rules keep changing.

I assume that the most recent rule change also bans the 135i and CR-Z?

Thats my point tiger everytime i look at this thread it gets more and more confusing with a list of cars to choose from its first come first served then we can all get together and test any gripes can then be ironed out.👍

 

[somebodysb2]

A list of eligible cars would be good. I have no idea what car to go with now, since the rules keep changing.

I assume that the most recent rule change also bans the 135i and CR-Z?

How? the CRZ is 3 door and 135i is the same size as a 1 series 4 door IRL.

as long as its the same size as counterpart IRL, then its fine, sorta like that NGTC spec.

 

[si_berian_tiger]

CR-Z - 3 door, not in TC racing. Allowed
Integra - 3 door, in TC racing. Not allowed
135i- - 2 door coupe. Not in TC racing. Apparently allowed.

This is why we are all confused! The rules do not appear to be consistent.

 

[somebodysb2]

CR-Z - 3 door, not in TC racing. Allowed
Integra - 3 door, in TC racing. Not allowed
135i- - 2 door coupe. Not in TC racing. Apparently allowed.

This is why we are all confused! The rules do not appear to be consistent.

My point is that the Integra was designed to be a sports car, why the 135i is allowed:

Quoting NGTC regs:

2, 3, 4 or 5 door of a minimum 4.4m length. (2 or 3 door cars must share the same basic body profile as the 4/5 door model).

 

[V8-Johnboy]

B2 have you choosen yet you seem to have the door open for 3/4 cars???

No make that seven!! Imagine the chaos if we all opt for seven??