about the whole longass post thing...yah i just have a habbit of rambling. sorry about, i didnt inted for it to make some huge point of something, i just get carried away. i almost had a teacher kick me out of class because a presentation was too long. anywho, the MM3 game and PGR2 share the same physics engine, which is evident. Im not saying they went and coppied everything but when they borrow a couple of lines of code it really stands out and makes the game difficult to appreciate after you hear all the hype and everything and have already owned MM3 for a while. Now dont get me wrong its a great game- for multiplayer. same with MM3, great game for multiplayer...actually i think most of Microsofts games are multiplayer oriented because i find that they get boring kind of quickly when you're playing them alone. Especially Halo...holy crap. but im not going to get into that, im already in enough **** with my rambling so im cutting this short by saying: dont take what i said so literally.