2010 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix

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1.8?! :eek: With times like that I'm looking more forward to all the pit stop calamities!
 
There are going to be few volunteers for the position of front jack man...
 
Make that sub-2 second pitstops. Red Bull did an unofficially personal best of 1.8 seconds.

That's amazing!!!!

Now why does it take 40 minutes to put 4 tyres on my car!!!!!!

C.
 
Most looking forward to? Trulli in Q1 and Kobayashi in the race.

+1 Agreed on the Kobayashi mention, I think he will do very well this season
I vote him to win, but my british loyalty remains with Button/Hamilton for the 1st race.
 
1.8?! :eek: With times like that I'm looking more forward to all the pit stop calamities!

Horner said that his pitstop crew has been going through intensive training all winter. They have been spending time in the gym every single day between 12 o'clock untill 4pm. 1.8 seconds is indeed amazing, but since the stress on the pitstop crew is so heavy this year, I think we're going to see more tyre change mess-ups. I hope for the teams not, but with this kind of stress those guys are being exposed to, there's something bound to happen.
 
I'm wondering in the new teams, whether we will see this kind of thing again:

 
Ouch - those pitguys looked proper lapsidaisical (sp?)...

I remember last year something similar happened to Lewis too though? (Or was it Kov? (I obviously don't remember so well after all!))

C.
 
This seems absolutely bonkers to me. Ultimately, does this mean the leading cars will have to pit earlier and potentially end up scrapping for positions way down the order, or take tenth on the grid and run long.

This is going to spoil the pole shoot-out imo.

Yes, I guess that is one of the reasons Bernie & Co. have implemented the rule, it will be another way to try & encourage overtaking in the race. 💡

Most, if not all the drivers in the top ten shoot out would probably be trying their best to get pole no matter what the tyre rules say :scared:

I don't think it will spoil the qualifying at all.
 
Tuero..........

:dunce::lol::lol::lol:

Most, if not all the drivers in the top ten shoot out would probably be trying their best to get pole no matter what the tyre rules say :scared:

I don't think it will spoil the qualifying at all.

I guess the likelihood of teams only ever one-stopping is probably slim. Two stopping would probably negate a short first stint with a blast of the front row. 👍
 
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Oh My God, LMFAO with the Tuero pit stop!
 
Yes, I guess that is one of the reasons Bernie & Co. have implemented the rule, it will be another way to try & encourage overtaking in the race. 💡

Most, if not all the drivers in the top ten shoot out would probably be trying their best to get pole no matter what the tyre rules say :scared:

I don't think it will spoil the qualifying at all.

Conspiracy hat on, I think its all to do with making everyone talk about tyres and mention Bridgestones name more, as we already do with the rule saying they have to use both tyre compounds and the pre-defined compounds for each race etc.
 
Conspiracy hat on, I think its all to do with making everyone talk about tyres and mention Bridgestones name more, as we already do with the rule saying they have to use both tyre compounds and the pre-defined compounds for each race etc.

That's got to be the worst 'conspiracy theory' ever. :lol:
 
Why? Its a form of marketing, it gets Bridgestone's name into households and into conversations, the more the teams, drivers, commentators and fans have to keep talking about tyres, the better for them.
Its not daft at all, think about how much free marketing Michelin got from the 2005 USGP, ok it was bad publicity, but all the same.

I mean, Bridgestone get little else out of producing tyres for F1, I doubt they gain much in technology and money - which is why they are pulling out. So it makes sense to try and make the most of the biggest draw of F1 - sponsorship and marketing.
 
err, I wouldn't like to imagine how much Bridgestone are paying to be a part of F1. Other FIA series will have a tyre supplier too, Pirelli in WRC I think.

Just checked BBC again, first coverage of the first race weekend starts at 06:55 on Friday on both red button/tv interactive and on the web page for UK, text only otherwise.
 
That's got to be the worst 'conspiracy theory' ever. :lol:

It sounds very plausible to me indeed actually. As Ardius said, it was the main reason for the two compound rule that was introduced last year.
 
Yeh its an odd rule and will probably stop the 'Everyone going for pole' game but you can see why its inplace.

Looking forward to these 3 second pit stops, the lollypop guy has a big job this season!

Who'll be the first to run out of fuel?

Senna:sly:
 
I have no issue with the new tyre rule. In fact, I suspect it might actually make qualifying more interesting. If a driver is low on tyres, he'll have to limit the number of qualifying runs he does, so we'll end up with a situation where all the drivers go in for an everything-or-nothing lap. Desperate drives can often really shake things up especially if the driver screws up.
 
The way I see it; sponsorship is a bit like betting on the horses. You pick your horse and but a bet on it, if it wins you gloat like hell.

Tyres in F1 are soooo important to the performance of the car, ultimately, if the tyre manufacturer gets it wrong you end up with the USA F1 race fiasco. The problem with having two or more tyre manufacturers is that one will inevitably stand out over the other/s. It just makes sense to only have one tyre manufacturer.

It's entirely up to that manufacturer to gloat or advertise their product for the open markets.

The F1 rules are purely designed to make the sport more interesting, I think it sounds ridiculous to suggest that it might be so that Bridgestone can get more publicity. If anything it will be negative publicity because the way the rules have been shaped this year will be detrimental to the tyre manufacturer. For instance, Alonso is miles ahead, the Bridgestone logo on his car is glistening, he's got 2 laps to go and....gets a puncture.

I would be less surprised if the rule changes are the reason for Bridgetone pulling out.
 
Who'll be the first to run out of fuel?
Who'll be the first "small team" to only fill their car up half way, streak away at the start, build up a lead, then retire with a mysterious engine problem in a bid to gain more sponsors?
 
Who'll be the first "small team" to only fill their car up half way, streak away at the start, build up a lead, then retire with a mysterious engine problem in a bid to gain more sponsors?

:lol::lol::lol: HRT in about 3 days :dunce:
 
I didn't realise the season was starting this weekend already. Great!
 
Who'll be the first "small team" to only fill their car up half way, streak away at the start, build up a lead, then retire with a mysterious engine problem in a bid to gain more sponsors?

Damn I hadn't even thought of that. And it'll happen too, guaranteed :grumpy:
 
:lol: Guys, you can't read anything into testing times, I think Force India are going to surprise ;). I think the car looks quite solid and Sutil and Liuzzi sound optimistic, other teams have commented they may be best of the rest along with Sauber.
Remember that Ferrari looked decent and Red Bull looked nowhere in testing last year?
We shall see on Saturday though.

I reckon Sauber and Force India will be challenging for Q3. I think the new teams will occupy the last positions, as expected. The unknowns are who is really in the top 4 and where Williams, Renault and STR are.
All eyes will be on Schumacher though.

The problem is the drivers... Sutil's promising but he's still very careless and gets involved in a lot of accidents. And he causes quite a few. Liuzzi has been impressive sometimes and underwhelming the rest of the time. There was an article in autosport a while back and they said that this year is his last chance. Got to say I agree. I think at the end of the season, if one driver has performed much better than the other then they need to get rid of the weakest link.

I'm sure some Sutil fans' tempers might flare a bit here, but I think he's lucky to be where he is now. Eddie Jordan wouldn't have given him as long.

daan
With regard to McLaren, I expect Hamilton to be quicker, but perhaps he'll kill his tyres (as he seems to have a habit of doing) and Mr Jenson "Smooooth" Button will sail past.

Pretty sure that I read that Hamilton looked after his tyres better than Button during testing. I was surprised, but it seems to be the case now... Puzzling...

Tried to find a link, but to no avail. Can anyone back me up on this or did I dream it?

fastas
This seems absolutely bonkers to me. Ultimately, does this mean the leading cars will have to pit earlier and potentially end up scrapping for positions way down the order, or take tenth on the grid and run long.

Yeah, it does sound pretty daft. I read in autosport that rather than pitting a lap later, a driver who pits a lap earlier will have an advantage. Should be pretty interesting... "I'm catching him, I'm catching him, got my stop in one lap and ... S*** he's pitted"

Only_in_f1
Who'll be the first to run out of fuel?

Look forward to finding that out. My guess is that both HRT's will either run out of fuel, or be ridiculously over weight... Or (third option), one runs out of fuel while the other is too heavy.

The only thing that can spoil this season is the mandatory pit stops. Surely it would be more exciting without. Imagine we got to the title deciding race, and one of the drivers in the running for the title qualified 20th on the grid and decided to go for an all or nothing race. He manages his tyres well and eventually takes the lead, but with 5 laps to go his tyres are useless and he has to pit... This brings the question "will he get out of the pits in front?"

Now I'm not suggesting that it's possible for a driver to be leading a race with only 5 laps to go and the same tyres he started with. But surely it would be more exciting without mandatory pit stops.

yeti
I remember last year something similar happened to Lewis too though? (Or was it Kov? (I obviously don't remember so well after all!))

Yeah, it was lewis at valencia. I've got the highlights dvd. It was quite funny
Engineer "Lewis stay out one lap longer" (oblivious to the fact that lewis was already in the pit lane)
Engineer "You're coming in... ... ..."

daan
Who'll be the first "small team" to only fill their car up half way, streak away at the start, build up a lead, then retire with a mysterious engine problem in a bid to gain more sponsors?

I like the way you think...

livemusic
I didn't realise the season was starting this weekend already. Great!

You're lucky. I've been counting down the seconds since Abu Dhabi (and counting down the thousandths of a second since Schumi's comeback was announced).

The inside of my mind has looked a bit like the "slapsgiving" countdown (for those who are familiar with "how I met your mother").
 
Here's the transcript of an interesting BBC article regarding the mindset of top drivers pitched against each other in the same team.

The pairing of Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button at McLaren this year is potentially explosive.

Both have an inner certainty that they are the best in the business - but they can't both be right.

In the past, pairings of two megastars in a race-winning car have resulted in volcanic fall-out. As one of those drivers is presented with stark evidence that fails to meet with his own inner certainty, so things tend to get very difficult - and the driver on the losing end tends never to be quite the same again.

That's what's at stake here for either Button or Hamilton.

History gives us clues of how things might shape up - think Hamilton/Alonso in '07, Prost/Senna '88-'89, Mansell/Piquet '86-87.

Such competitors have an inner conviction they are the best and usually everything in their careers has served only to reinforce that view.

They know that when it comes to it they can squeeze something extra from the car, know they have access to a level of performance out of reach to the others, that in equal machinery they can beat anyone.

That conviction is not usually damaged by uncompetitive cars because that can be rationalised quite easily. Not so easy is to reconcile another guy going faster in the same piece of kit.

Fernando Alonso is a good case study.

Utterly magnificent in his two championship years of 2005 and '06, the second title was particularly sweet in that it came after a season-long gloves-off fight with seven time champion Michael Schumacher, the long-accepted barometer.

Alonso's evenness, the way he always held himself in full control, always seemed to do the right thing, was very evident in that battle.

He made not a single mistake worthy of the name all year - even more impressive than his solitary mistake at Montreal the year before.

By contrast, Schumacher occasionally over-reached in that final season with Ferrari - the wheel-banging in defence at Hungary that damaged his suspension; the attempt at out-qualifying his team mate in Turkey despite a massively higher fuel load that led simply to a botched lap and losing; the infamous parking incident at Monaco.

It may have been no more than Schumacher knowing he had to be more aggressive because he was always fighting against a points lead established by Alonso early in the season.

More likely, it was just the differing traits of two awesomely good drivers in the hard grind of a championship battle.

But it's unlikely Schumacher's inner conviction was damaged by that season - or even at Suzuka in 2005 when Alonso went around his outside through 130R at 208mph.

Because they were in different teams and cars, there would always be a justification in Schumacher's mind if he was beaten. For all we know, he may have been right.

Schumacher will have gone into retirement being able to tell himself that he was still the number one - and had never been threatened in that status.

Part of what had enabled him to do this, aside from his fabulous talent, was his dominant position within Ferrari, with team-mates that were very carefully chosen and then controlled when necessary.

The whole team was focused around Schumacher so they as a team could take on and beat the rest. The team-mate was part of the support for that and never allowed to be a genuine rival.

Alonso equally could justify to himself that he was now the top man.

He had won two consecutive titles against Schumacher, the last of them when Michael was in a very competitive car. He had also put that marker down on him at Suzuka in '05.

With the title already secured and nothing at stake, he had committed to going around the outside of Schumacher in a manoeuvre that, if it had gone wrong, would likely have been fatal.

He had every reason to feel good about his standing - and the fact that Michael had retired meant surely he was now even more clearly the world's number one. Once it had been Senna, then it was Schumacher and now it was Alonso.

So when he switched to McLaren for '07, and a rookie started going as fast or faster in the same car, it will not have tallied. "Does not compute" signs would have been flashing in his mind.

Alonso was unfortunate indeed that his reign as the sport's unquestioned number one had lasted only for as long as the off-season, but the reality was simply that he had been paired with another of comparable ability in a team that operated very differently from Ferrari.

We got to see the effect of such an affront to his self-belief - paranoia.

For Hamilton to be challenging him, he reasoned, he must be getting preferential treatment from the team and it all sort of fitted - Hamilton had been part of the team since he was 13, knew everyone there already, was a Brit in a British team etc.

In Spain, in front of Alonso's home crowd, the idea of being beaten by Hamilton was just too humiliating to contemplate. So he fuelled lighter to qualify ahead, then tried a no-compromise first-corner move on Felipe Massa's Ferrari that was never going to work - and off he went across the gravel trap.

In Montreal, as Hamilton sailed off to his maiden grand prix victory, Alonso made a catalogue of errors - more in one afternoon than he had made in the previous two seasons combined.

He had badly lost his equilibrium and his horribly ill-advised tactic of trying to use the FIA McLaren espionage investigation to his advantage ensured he no longer had a long-term future there.

That whole situation would never have arisen had Hamilton not had the raw performance to threaten Alonso's internal view of his standing. He wasn't always slower than Hamilton of course - beat him fair and square on occasion. But he was beaten by him regularly enough for Alonso not to be able to handle it.

Hamilton had exactly that certainty of being the best. He could easily justify to himself those occasions when Alonso beat him: his team-mate was in his sixth season of F1 whereas Lewis was a rookie.

If ever Alonso was faster, that was why - in Hamilton's mind.

At Monza and Spa, Alonso defeated Hamilton conclusively on two consecutive weekends. Hamilton reacted by going back to the factory and spending a couple of days trawling through set-up data and analysis with his race engineer.

"I now understand why I was a bit slower than Fernando at those races," he said, "and now I've understood that I'm confident I will back to my best."

Impressively, he then proceeded to dominate everyone - including Alonso - at the next race at Fuji. So his internal reasoning of his standing was reinforced.

Alonso's contract was duly cancelled two years short of its term and the team effectively became Hamilton's. It was perhaps the most astonishing seasonal performance from a rookie the sport had ever witnessed.

Alonso was banished to an uncompetitive car in 2008 and '09 but with a fast Ferrari under him for 2010, we get to find out if he can scale his pre-Hamilton heights again.

Of course he will be fast, but will we ever again see the driver that made that move on Schumacher? Did that season alongside Hamilton damage him or not?

Hamilton, meanwhile, is flying high. No one, not even a double world champion with a six-year head-start, has been able to get the better of him.

He completely decimated a good team-mate in Heikki Kovalainen in the way that Ayrton Senna used to decimate good team-mates. Now he gets Button, 2009 world champion, to be judged against.

You can bet Hamilton is relishing it - and also that he's totally confident he will prevail.

For his part, Button spent almost a decade in sub-standard cars, having arrived in F1 perhaps a little too early. But his inner conviction of his worth was established long ago - when he was invariably the dominant man throughout his karting career.

He has a karting CV that's actually more impressive than Hamilton's. When he finally got himself into a good F1 car last year, he delivered the world championship. In his mind, that will all tally.

Now, the next challenge of going into the perceived number one driver's own team and taking him on.

He didn't need to make that choice, could have stayed where he was, assured of a competitive car and been protected from any doubt if Hamilton's McLaren had beaten him - in that he was in a different, obviously not quite as good, car.

His very choice of opting instead to walk into the lion's den tells you everything about his own inner confidence of his level.

Both sets of beliefs - Hamilton's and Button's - cannot survive this season.

Source

Can Jenson overcome the challenges facing him and beat Lewis in his own team? Its going to be exciting viewing watching him try.

Ps. I'm not sure if you can access the BBC site from outside the UK, which is why I've put the text there, apologies if it was unnecessary.
 
Ego's are bound to be popped this season :lol:
 
Does anyone know if Q3 will have to be run under a full fuel load?

Or will the cars be allowed to run light through all of quali & then fuel up before the race starts?
 
Does anyone know if Q3 will have to be run under a full fuel load?

Or will the cars be allowed to run light through all of quali & then fuel up before the race starts?
The second one, Q3 will be ran with low-fuel cars but the top 10 drivers must start the race on the same set of tyres they qualified with.
 
I knew the tyre rule, I was a bit unsure of the fuel regs.

Thanks 👍
 
Who'll be the first "small team" to only fill their car up half way, streak away at the start, build up a lead, then retire with a mysterious engine problem in a bid to gain more sponsors?

And blame it on hydraulics or electronics or something ;)

Rumours on Virgin:
Sutton
Just heard from a source that the Virgin car will not finish the race! as there Fuel tank is too small to finish it!
https://twitter.com/suttonimages
 
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Wow - that is a great find - and a potentially damaging issue...

Will be looking out for this - of course - they might not make the first corner either!!

C.
 
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