a suggestion.. una sugerencia..

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creo que a esta web entran muchos usuarios de habla hispana
y recomiendo abrir una categoria nueva en los foro en habla hispana


I think this website join many Spanish-speaking users
and i recommends open a new category for the Spanish-speaking


thanks
 
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Welcome to GTPlanet, Jimmy! Unfortunately, I do not speak Spanish, and do not want any communication going on my site which I am unable to understand.
 
No, I don't think so.
The majority of :gtplanet: users are based in USA, UK & Australia, and we have a good number of other European nationals and Internationals that post extremely well in English.

I realise you're new to the site and thus probably not very familiar with our Acceptable Use Policy yet, but this is the set of rules that you agreed to abide by when you registered for this site.
These are the rules that the site owner laid out for his site.
One paragraph in particular, and one sentence in particular stands out in this case:

From Acceptable Use Policy
No slang words that promote laziness, ie; “r”, “u”, “plz”, etc. will be tolerated. Decent grammar is expected, including proper usage of capital letters. Repeated violations will be grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the forums. All messages must be posted in English.

Asking people to post in Spanish directly contravenes one of the site directives, and you're required to post in English only from now on.
Thanks. 👍

*edit* Tree'd by Site Owner! :ouch:
 
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I've give this thought a couple of times. And even saw it as plausible, given that I've had more than a few Spanish-speaking users who speak little or no English PM me and ask me questions about one or another post/thread/issue. We could even use the money earned through Premium payments of these only-Spanish-speaking members and pay Jordan some Spanish classes. j/k

But in the end, Jordan's decision is Jordan's decision. Buena sugerencia (Nice suggestion), though DJ_JIMMY 👍
 
It may be a good suggestion, but if you allow Spanish you will also have to allow every other non-English language. This of course would result in complete and utter chaos.
 
It may be a good suggestion, but if you allow Spanish you will also have to allow every other non-English language. This of course would result in complete and utter chaos.

Indeed, it's tricky enough to keep the site in check when the staff can read, and, in most cases :sly:, understand the posts.
It's not just for Jordan's benefit, but the entire :gtplanet: staff, and while we do have staff that're multilingual, English is a native tongue for the majority of us. By keeping an eye on things and acting appropriately we are able in most instances to stop trouble from occurring before it escalates too far and avoids anyone having to be issued warnings or infractions for inappropriate behaviour.
Imagine, hypothetically, if we decided, for example, to allow a Chinese thread, but only have one Chinese speaking staff member.
We're human beings, not modbots (:p) and we have to take downtime too.
A personal attack, a sweary outburst, a discussion of illegal activities, etc. that violates the AUP could take place and escalate without the staff members online at that time being able to read it, understand it or act on it and it'd be left to the staff member that could understand to fix it after the fact, and possibly at the point where there would be no option but to discipline the offenders, instead of someone posting a "chill out" or "leave it alone" message in the thread to avoid having to take administrative action later on.
Having all the staff able to understand all the posts here means there's uniformity in how we're able to act, as we're all then accountable to one another, and most importantly Jordan. If he's unable to understand the offensive posts, and the warnings issued by the staff too, then there's no way he can tell if we're performing the task that he's asked us to do for him.
Hope this goes some way to further explaining Jordan's reasoning here.
 
Why don't we have a forum translator? The same forum in different languages depending on your language. Posts translated for the user's language so we all ca nunderstand each other. A Big task, but awesome results.
 
Why don't we have a forum translator? The same forum in different languages depending on your language. Posts translated for the user's language so we all ca nunderstand each other. A Big task, but awesome results.

A enormously massive task if you ask me. I just think it wouldn't be viable, but you never know
 
Automated translators have a very long way to go before they are up to a task like that. Mistranslations and awkward phrasing would obscure the meaning of any post too much for such an idea to be viable.
 
^ He right.

I've got two questions, though. I've seen profile messages being posted on languages other than english. Should we report them or something? And the other one: Can we PM members on languages other than english? I don't have friends on this forum that speak spanish on this forum, but if I had, I really wouldn't want to talk to them in english, when I could just simply speak them directly in spanish.
 
I've seen profile messages being posted on languages other than english. Should we report them or something?
While that is something that is public, and as such should be in English, I don't see the point in reporting it.
Can we PM members on languages other than english?
PM's are between you and the recipient. Use whatever language you wish. 👍
 
sorry
just trying to make a suggestion

There is no problem with making a suggestion and we appreciate the input. It's just that not enough of the staff are fluent enough in any language beside English to really maintain control over a forum in another language.

Thanks for the suggestion, though. 👍
 
Can we PM members on languages other than english? I don't have friends on this forum that speak spanish on this forum, but if I had, I really wouldn't want to talk to them in english, when I could just simply speak them directly in spanish.

You can text in any language over PMs, though the swear filter works in there too. I wouldn't go as far as calling us friends, but I think we've exchanged a couple fo words in Spanish over PM...
 
Are you sure? I can clearly some profile messages between you and me, but we weren't talking spanish, just a couple of terms. I agree about the "friends" part. I really can't refer someone on the forum as a friend. The only person I think I could use the term "friend" properly on is Nenad, though he has left for a couple of weeks. Anyways, I will cut the off-topicness here :lol:
 
Why don't we have a forum translator? The same forum in different languages depending on your language. Posts translated for the user's language so we all ca nunderstand each other. A Big task, but awesome results.
Google Translate provides the best real-time machine translation service at the moment, and can easily be used to browse GTPlanet.

^ He right.

I've got two questions, though. I've seen profile messages being posted on languages other than english. Should we report them or something? And the other one: Can we PM members on languages other than english? I don't have friends on this forum that speak spanish on this forum, but if I had, I really wouldn't want to talk to them in english, when I could just simply speak them directly in spanish.

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While that is something that is public, and as such should be in English, I don't see the point in reporting it.

PM's are between you and the recipient. Use whatever language you wish. 👍

You can text in any language over PMs, though the swear filter works in there too. I wouldn't go as far as calling us friends, but I think we've exchanged a couple fo words in Spanish over PM...
To clarify, it is not OK to post any messages on the site in any language other than English, regardless of whether or not it is public. As stated in the AUP, all messages must be in English. With that said, it has never actually been enforced upon PM's, and no infractions or warnings have ever been issued for it. Indeed, it has never been a source of a problem until last week, when I had to retrieve some PM's after claims of abuse. The offending conversation was in Spanish, and after spending 20 minutes running everything through Google, I still didn't have a good idea of what was going on - extremely irritating, to say the least. In other words, if you're doing anything wrong and I hear about it (and it's not in English), be prepared to make myself and the staff only more angry with you.
 
the only complication I see is for people with mediocer (sp) english skills trying to get their point across.

and, boss, some of the translator sites still botch a translation (both English and to the native tounge of the speaker). the results can be hilarius. for example, the translation of "brown sugar" varies between the various latin american nations, and can lead to dirty words. another exaple is a word that means "insects" in one country means "testicles" in another! plus, nearly every nation has slang and cultural terms that can't be translated into an english context; heck, i have to translate british english to American english for my parents if they watch a good drama or action show.
 
To clarify, it is not OK to post any messages on the site in any language other than English, regardless of whether or not it is public. As stated in the AUP, all messages must be in English.

It's ok, I just wanted to be sure.

With that said, it has never actually been enforced upon PM's, and no infractions or warnings have ever been issued for it. Indeed, it has never been a source of a problem until last week, when I had to retrieve some PM's after claims of abuse. The offending conversation was in Spanish, and after spending 20 minutes running everything through Google, I still didn't have a good idea of what was going on - extremely irritating, to say the least. In other words, if you're doing anything wrong and I hear about it (and it's not in English), be prepared to make myself and the staff only more angry with you.

You need moderators that can understand the basic languages, Jordan :lol: j/k
 
Maybe the spanish section could be called [heavy spanish accent]Turismo Grande. Has a nice ring to it.

I'm sure that whenever you're in that situation again you could get help translating the message from any spanish speaking member here, Jordan, though it could be conflicting since these matters should be addressed delicately and privately.
 
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Indeed, it has never been a source of a problem until last week, when I had to retrieve some PM's after claims of abuse. The offending conversation was in Spanish, and after spending 20 minutes running everything through Google, I still didn't have a good idea of what was going on - extremely irritating, to say the least.

you could've asked any one of us Spanish speakers for a translation 👍

Edit: Tree'd

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Maybe the spanish section could be called [heavy spanish accent]Turismo Grande. Has a nice ring to it.

Er... isn't Gran Turismo in Spanish already? :p
 
:lol:

That's why some new members come here and ask for "Grand Tourism".

Adressing the spanish PM matter, I didn't offered my services in the first place since it's Private Message for a reason. I would gladly help, if Jordan wanted me to, however.
 
Why don't we have a forum translator? The same forum in different languages depending on your language. Posts translated for the user's language so we all ca nunderstand each other. A Big task, but awesome results.

Awesome results for who? It's only a guess, but I think the cost would be prohibitive, i.e. too costly. Also, as a member of this website it's only fair that I and others are able to read your public discussions.
 
and, boss, some of the translator sites still botch a translation (both English and to the native tounge of the speaker).
I know, I was just addressing PJ's suggestion.

You need moderators that can understand the basic languages, Jordan :lol: j/k

I'm sure that whenever you're in that situation again you could get help translating the message from any spanish speaking member here, Jordan, though it could be conflicting since these matters should be addressed delicately and privately.

you could've asked any one of us Spanish speakers for a translation 👍

Adressing the spanish PM matter, I didn't offered my services in the first place since it's Private Message for a reason. I would gladly help, if Jordan wanted me to, however.
I appreciate the willingness to help out, but that's not the point. As I said in my first message, if I can't personally read and understand something on my own website, it doesn't need to be here.
 
If someone makes people aware that English is not their first language, but they are making their best effort, people will be very helpful and forgiving of bad spelling/grammar.

There have been tons of members here who don't speak English as a first language, and over time spent here their English skills improve drastically. There are also a bunch who speak English as a second language and probably write better than most native speakers.

Think of it as a good place to bone up on your English skills, we'll help out.
 
Think of it as a good place to bone up on your English skills, we'll help out.

Exactly. I'm quite the grammar police with the people around me, but myself and I'm sure most people who breathe on the planet are more than forgiving for small mistakes, especially if it's not your first language.

We can usually decode most things even if the English isn't the best.
 
As I said in my first message, if I can't personally read and understand something on my own website, it doesn't need to be here.

Of course. Besides, even if Jordan spoke english, spanish, french, mandarin, portuguese, etc. what would become of gtplanet if all people here could only read and understand a "section" of the forums?

We need a "common language" and there's only one language in the world that can assume that role: english. Even the ones that have trouble writing in that language usually have no problem in understanding what others have written.

And with such a great community, there's usually no problem - even if one's knowledge of english is very basic - in getting help.

One other thing I think is worthy of notice and consideration (for all non-native english speakers). The demand for proper grammar is, in practise, much more enforced towards native english speakers. And one of its purposes is in fact to allow all non-native english speakers, that only know english from school (like myself) to be able to understand what's written in these forums. If "text-speak" (I think this is what it's called) was allowed we all would have much more trouble understanding the posts.
 
English is not only the common language on these forums, but it's also one of the easiest (in my experience at least) languages to learn. Not to mention most schools teach english. 👍
 
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