Will PD try to steal other racing games' thunder at E3?

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They might announce DLC from GT5.
Yes, I know about the crisis in Japan.
When is E3?
 
I say more GT5 DLC/Updates. Maybe even a Enhanced Damage or Vinyl Editor to compete with Forza even more so. And E3 is ussually in Late May/Early June
 
It doesn't really matter what they do, they're on the back foot. Their reputation has suffered badly. I don't imagine they'll announce anything big - what could they possibly have to announce? They haven't managed to release a single car since release, nor a single track.
 
JBturbo
It doesn't really matter what they do, they're on the back foot. Their reputation has suffered badly. I don't imagine they'll announce anything big - what could they possibly have to announce? They haven't managed to release a single car since release, nor a single track.
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I really get sick of having to reiterate that IT TAKES MORE THAN A COUPLE MONTHS FOR DLC. GT5 has been out less than 5 months, and for what we've gotten through updates, OCD, Seasonal Events, Remote Racing, PD is giving alot more alot sooner than any other Developer. The only other Developer i've seen do stuff like that is Criterion Games.
 
Well Forza 4 can't compete with Gran Turismo 5...and that's not coming from a GT fan lol...the peripheral market is what makes GT, the king of console simulators...there is only 1 official xbox wheel and it plain sucks lol...they are trying the whole "kinect" concept...but it will not work with the accuracy, if you need to find those tight corners and passes you are looking for.
 
Gtuned
I really get sick of having to reiterate that IT TAKES MORE THAN A COUPLE MONTHS FOR DLC.
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No it doesn't. Since the physical framework is in place it's even shorter.

As for seasonal updates/OCD etc, what is significant?
 
JBturbo
No it doesn't. Since the physical framework is in place it's even shorter.

As for seasonal updates/OCD etc, what is significant?
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To model a car or a track takes months. You have to send out people to look over the car or track, show exact detailing onto a computer program, and recreate the exact performance of the car AND adapt it to the physics engine. Same for tracks and the behavior of the vehicle on the surface.

Since DLC should contain more than 1 car or track, I'd say 6-7 months for a DLC pack. Remember they also have to spend time updating small things. It's more than you think.
 
Chikane
Do You Think ?
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All the time, even when trying to fall asleep.

Chikane
That PD may try and steal some attation alway from Forza 4 by showing something on gt6 ? At E3 This Year
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Probably, but it won't matter. Absolutely nobody is going to see a GT6 teaser and think, "Ghee, maybe I should just wait for GT6." Nobody will think that, because it would essentially mean thinking "Ghee, maybe I should just wait several more years instead of playing a racing game that interests me here in 2011."

GT6 will almost certainly get the Duke Nukem Forever treatment, in that few people will sit around expecting it to come soon and most will expect it to be put off quite a ways down the road. Even if Polyphony says, "GT6 will definitely be here by the end of 2012," few people will actually expect it that soon. Even if they did expect it that soon, that would still be at least a year after FM4 anyway, so it wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to be expecting GT6 for 2011 or even early 2012.

GT_Prologue5
To model a car or a track takes months. You have to send out people to look over the car or track, show exact detailing onto a computer program, and recreate the exact performance of the car AND adapt it to the physics engine. Same for tracks and the behavior of the vehicle on the surface.

Since DLC should contain more than 1 car or track, I'd say 6-7 months for a DLC pack. Remember they also have to spend time updating small things. It's more than you think.
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Turn 10 produced several car packs with ten cars apiece, and as I recall they were released monthly. These were fully-detailed "Premium" cars, too. There's really no excusing six months for something like that.

Gtuned
I really get sick of having to reiterate that IT TAKES MORE THAN A COUPLE MONTHS FOR DLC.
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Keep doing it. No matter how many times you say it, it will never become true.
 
Probably so. Doubt anything about GT6 trailers, they just started :lol: but a DLC or a nice update, I can see that.
 
StingrayX
Well Forza 4 can't compete with Gran Turismo 5...and that's not coming from a GT fan lol...the peripheral market is what makes GT, the king of console simulators...there is only 1 official xbox wheel and it plain sucks lol...they are trying the whole "kinect" concept...but it will not work with the accuracy, if you need to find those tight corners and passes you are looking for.
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I don't know anyone who buys a racing game solely for it's peripherals. I play games for their content, not their fancy peripherals. If you're talking about steering wheels, then I could understand some people being put off Forza because of it's lack of steering wheel support, but that's a small minority of people. So to claim that peripherals are what makes the GT series successful is very wrong and to claim that Forza 4 can't compete is also very wrong.

Back on topic, I think PD might announce some DLC for GT5, although considering the situation in Japan at the moment, it might not happen for another year or so. The DLC would have to be pretty darn good to rebuild GT's reputation though, GT5 hurt the series reputation by being an overall average game (physics and premium cars aside). If they do announce some DLC for GT5, then I'm expecting the DLC to contain...
-New A-Spec and Special events.
-Some 'Standard' cars converted to 'Premium'.
-Possibly some new tracks.

A good DLC could help to rebuild GT's reputation and then GT6, when it's released, should hopefully bring GT back up to the top. I wouldn't expect GT6 to be released for another 2/3 years though.
 
GT_Prologue5
To model a car or a track takes months. You have to send out people to look over the car or track, show exact detailing onto a computer program, and recreate the exact performance of the car AND adapt it to the physics engine. Same for tracks and the behavior of the vehicle on the surface.

Since DLC should contain more than 1 car or track, I'd say 6-7 months for a DLC pack. Remember they also have to spend time updating small things. It's more than you think.
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Not by a long way. The physics model is already in place for the game, for a start. Mode to model variation comes in the form of simply inputting different figures into the code.

Modelling doesn't take nearly as long as you state. I model in high fidelity for a number of products. With an accurate set of blueprints/design drawings and a few reference photo's, taken on a morning in a dealership I could knock out a premium car in a month, all completely on my own, sitting at my home PC. I'm talking millimetre accurate.
 
To answer the thread's title: Yes, quite regularly.

(No wonder so many members complain about intentionally vague thread names. Changing it now)

I wouldn't expect GT6 to be shown this year; maybe next year, but even then, I wouldn't expect it to release for another 3 or more, knowing PD ;).

As for those talking about how it hasn't been long, and the lack of DLC so far (well, not reskins, real, new cars); remember that the contents of the game would have to have been finished over a month before the release date. Plus, I would hope that they wouldn't have had a solid cut-off for modeling months before hand (going by Kaz' "6 months" comment). One would hope that they have other cars intended to be included, that just couldn't be finished in time, and perhaps there's been work done in that regard. It's just a guess, of course... but it would certainly make a whole lot of sense, from a business point of view.
 
Gtuned
I really get sick of having to reiterate that IT TAKES MORE THAN A COUPLE MONTHS FOR DLC.
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But what is to stop them from simply slightly altering the premium Aston Martin DB9, And giving us an Aston Martin DBS "and" an Aston Martin Virage I can't for the life of me see that taking more than a couple of weeks at most
 
I imagine PD will try to "steal thunder" from the competition because that's half of what the E3 is about. I imagine another sweeping-camera demo of exciting replays and cars modeled to trillions of polygons, showing off how great the bulbs in the headlights look when not illuminated...
and maybe a 2-second glimpse of something substantial that will be argued over on this message board for a couple months, then a few more months as we wait some more. Same as it ever was.
 
I'm glad they didn't announce or release DLC yet. i hate it when developers are talking about paid DLC before the game releases or even soon after. To me, that means the DLC should have been included as part of the game on the disc but they are looking to rob you. PD has not show any intention on doing that. Instead they are fixing things and adding to it for free. I respect that and would rather have no DLC than pay a lot of money for stuff I should have had to begin with.
 
Oh, I know what they will try to do.

Yamauchi will unveil his latest 'innovation'. Red Dead Redemption: Samurai. That makes you think about death. And choices. And things that the industry has already done while he was 'brainstorming' on GT5 or smelling BBQs on Nurburgring.
 
Chikane
That PD may try and steal some attation alway from Forza 4 by showing something on gt6 ? At E3 This Year
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You've lost your mind if you think they'll show anything GT6 related. I doubt there's even anything to show!
 
I'm thinking DLC announcements if anything. I mean, we know of some pretty big chunks of DLC coming like point-to-point races in Course Maker and Pike's Peak. PD has been pretty quiet about DLC, should be interesting to see what the bring to E3 if anything.

I don't really expect any GT6 news until E3 2012 at the earliest.
 
freight48
You've lost your mind if you think they'll show anything GT6 related. I doubt there's even anything to show!
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Not unless they have a prototype PS4 to unveil simultaneously which I would doubt is ready this year or even next, probably 2013 at earliest. I doubt GT6 ever comes out on PS3 because Kaz has said the hardware limits were a pretty hard restraint to work with on GT5.
 
X-Power
If you're talking about steering wheels, then I could understand some people being put off Forza because of it's lack of steering wheel support, but that's a small minority of people. So to claim that peripherals are what makes the GT series successful is very wrong and to claim that Forza 4 can't compete is also very wrong.
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It's not the peripherals that make a game successful but lack of them on a console certainly puts a genre at a disadvantage. I haven't bought, nor am I intending to buy any racing game for my Xbox purely because my logitech wheel (which works perfectly on my PS3 and my PC) isn't compatible with it and I don't want to play with a controller.
I'm sure Forza 3 is an excellent game and Forza 4 will almost certainly be better. I'm never going to find out though.
 
budious
I doubt GT6 ever comes out on PS3 because Kaz has said the hardware limits were a pretty hard restraint to work with on GT5.
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It doesn't seem to stop other developers (e.g. Naughty Dog) from doing absolutely epic things with the PS3. Things that make GT5 look like a PS2 game in terms of visual and visceral complexity.

Seriously, everybody keeps repeating these soundbytes and talking points (PS3 has hardware limitations, a premium car takes months to model, ...) as if they are the undeniable truth. To me it just sounds as if PD is getting lazy and inefficient.
 
budious
I doubt GT6 ever comes out on PS3 because Kaz has said the hardware limits were a pretty hard restraint to work with on GT5.
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Ho-hum. Stop it please. They get CAD files from the Manufacturers. Not the PS3's problem if PD can't downsize them. Not the PS3's problem if Yamauchi doesn't know how much power he has available, how much he needs to use to get a consistent game.

And 'Kaz has said' doesn't mean squat. You might as well say "My cat has said...".
 
Why is everyone talking about Forza in this thread?
GT5/6 can't steal Forza's thunder because the XBOX fans will watch the Forza video and the PS3 fans will go to the GT5/6 bit.
I would say it's between GT5/6 or EA's next game.
 
The level of detail in premium cars is not comparable to other racing games. Even if some other developers can release dlc packs every second month or so they are not of GT5 premium quality. Yes, they have interior view and a steering wheel. Does that make them premium? Not by far (although it's still a lot better than the standard cars of GT5).

But we will probably see some added content soon, PD has obviously modeled the new FT-86 II concept, so it might show up in a near future. Guess it depends on if they want to release it on its own or make a bunch of new models to release at the same time.
 
JediRage
Ho-hum. Stop it please. They get CAD files from the Manufacturers. Not the PS3's problem if PD can't downsize them. Not the PS3's problem if Yamauchi doesn't know how much power he has available, how much he needs to use to get a consistent game.

And 'Kaz has said' doesn't mean squat. You might as well say "My cat has said...".
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If they get CAD-files from the manufacturers, why do they need to take thousands of pictures from every angle on every car they model?

And the difference between Kaz and your cat is that Kaz is the manager of PD - your cat isn't.
 
eran0004
If they get CAD-files from the manufacturers, why do they need to take thousands of pictures from every angle on every car they model?

And the difference between Kaz and your cat is that Kaz is the manager of PD - your cat isn't.
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So you're implying they don't get CAD files?

Oh and how did I get confused between a cat and Yamauchi. Damn, that shouldn't be happening. But what Yamauchi says has as much value as what a cat says or rather meows.
 
I think they will announce a DLC pack :
- new tracks ( Spa and maybe some tracks from older GT´s )
- new cars
- Standard to Premium Cars
-More cars already in GT5 that can be Racing Modified
-New functionallities for GT5
-Leaderboards ( this one a free update for all users , GT5P Servers will be shutdown close to E3 date i think )
 

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