The GT World Series; Season One! {Pre-season!}

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Which Tracks do you want to see in the Season Roster?

  • Spa - Belgium

    Votes: 11 68.8%

  • Sarthe - France

    Votes: 9 56.3%

  • Nurburg - Germany

    Votes: 9 56.3%

  • Monza - Italy

    Votes: 8 50.0%

  • Coté D'Azure - Monaco

    Votes: 8 50.0%

  • Madrid - Spain

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Eiger - Switzerland

    Votes: 5 31.3%

  • Fuji F - Japan

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Suzuka - Japan

    Votes: 9 56.3%

  • Tokyo R246 - Japan

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Motegi - Japan

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Daytona - USA

    Votes: 8 50.0%

  • Indianapolis - USA

    Votes: 11 68.8%

  • Laguna Seca - USA

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • Total voters
    16
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Welcome to the GTPlanet GT World Series for Gran Turismo 5. This is a one-class racing series that features sports cars from manufactures such as Audi, Ferrari and McLaren, who will compete in a number of races around many of the world tracks available in GT5. This series drew inspiration from watching the FIA GT1 World Championship, since the initial car line-up is very similar, but since certain elements (the absence of a Qualifying Race) will not be included, and there will be certain ideas tested to attempt to pique interest that aren’t in the GT1 series, I have decided to give the series a different name. Thus, it is called the GT World Series.

Qualifying: Monday @ 11pm UTC {Duration of 45 Minutes}
Race Day: Thursday @ 11pm UTC {Duration of 1 Hour}

Link to Driver/Team Standings.
Link to Qualifying/Race Info.
Link to Incidents, Cautions, and Stewarding Info.

Track List of possible Season Circuits:
European Sector:
Spa Francorchamps – Beligum (DLC)
Circuit de la Sarthe – France
Nurburgring GP/F – Germany
Autodromo Nazionale Monza – Italy
Côte D’Azure – Monaco
Circuito De Madrid – Spain
Eiger Nordwand – Switzerland

Japanese Sector:
Fuji GP/F
Suzuka
Tokyo Route 246
Twin Ring Motegi (DLC)

American Sector:
Daytona
Indianapolis
Laguna Seca

Signups / Lists of Cars & Specs:

Use the following template to sign up....
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GTP Name - PSN // Timezone
Car Choice:

Aston Martin V12 Vantage ’10 ~ 520 bhp / 1370 kg
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Audi R8 5.2 quattro ’09 ~ 450 bhp / 1315 kg
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BMW Z4 M Coupé ’08 ~ 450 bhp / 1240 kg
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Ferrari 458 Italia ’08 ~ 440 bhp / 1260 kg
(GTP) Mishima - (PSN) mishimaworld // GMT + 7
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Ford GT ’06 ~ 430 bhp / 1280 kg
(GTP) Pluxtheduck - (PSN) Pluxtheduck // GMT
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Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 ’08 ~ 440 bhp / 1240 kg
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McLaren MP4-12C ’10 ~ 440 bhp / 1250 kg
(GTP) Xstylez - (PSN) Xstylez---X // EST (GMT-5)
(GTP) Tez_SP17 - (PSN) StormPacer17 // GMT

Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG ’10 ~ 460 bhp / 1340 kg
(GTP) cnd01 - (PSN) cnd01 // CST (GMT-6)
(GTP) MrMelancholy15 - (PSN) MrMelancholy15 // EST (GMT-5)

Reserves:
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Testing Procedures:

Testing is pretty simple; cars are given specs to run, and are tested to see how they perform. Their specs may be altered based on how the other are performing in comparsion. Pay attention to the next few paragraphs.

There are always debates on whether tuning is part of why certain drivers get more out of a car than others, I will be restricting the tuning

For testing, I ask that all participants install all racing spec clutch, flywheel, suspension, transmission, and differential parts (this includes LSD, and torque diff for AWD cars) before they begin testing a car in the list. Do NOT install rigidity improvement; once its on the car you cannot take it off, and yes, it DOES affect performance. Also, I would also like to ask that the cars have an aerodynamic wing installed, and any other GT Auto parts they wish to use for aesthetics.

If a car needs to add performance parts to meet the required spec, they can do so, otherwise all cars must run with their power limited, and no other performance parts installed. Weight reduction is fine, as long as you do not change the ballast position of the weight you have to add to reach the required specification. Oil changing is fine.

Aside from the transmission, which will be given a 180 mph cap during testing, all other tuneable parts should be kept stock for testing purposes. That means please, please, please, don't make any adjustments to the parts you put on. You'll have a chance to do that after testing is over and pre-season starts.
 
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Qualifying and Race days will be on separate days in this series.

Qualifying:.
Qualifying will generally commence at the start of the week, and will generally last between 45 minutes to an hour. Once the room is up, qualifying starts immediately and will end once the timer reaches the allotted time in the lobby. Once time is called, your times will be checked either through being asked for, or by checking via use of the “Watch Race” function.

Drivers are free to leave the track and come back, but if they do their previous time will be cleared without question. If you leave and come back to the track, but don’t post a time before the timer ends, you will be counted as not posting a time and moved to the back of the grid. Drivers must not leave the track once time ends; they must stay on track in the pit lane until their time has been checked and confirmed. Drivers found out racing on track once checking has begun will be placed at the back of the grid as a penalty. Drivers found not on track will also be placed at the back of the grid.

Points will be awarded in qualifying, and the amount will depend on your position.

Qualifying in 1st ~ 5 pts
Qualifying in 2nd ~ 4 pts
Qualifying in 3rd ~ 3 pts

Racing:
Racing procedure will be slightly different to what some are used to, where I will be using a 1 lap race as a means to tidy up how the official starting grid to the race will be. In this 1-lapper, participants are required to remain in their grid boxes in a “ghost” state, meaning you pause while stationary.

Each drivers’ name will be called out in turn based on qualifying position, and when it is they will set off to the first corner before auto-piloting (hit the pause button) upon exit. When all names have been called out, a final call to come out of autopilot will be made, which signals that all cars can drive at a relatively quick pace to the finish line.

You are not allowed to overtake at all during this phase. If you are seen by any driver’s fooling around you will be penalised. Likewise, if you manage to drive in a manner that sends you off-track of your own accord, you will finish in whatever position you end up in when you rejoin the track. Trying to gain your position back will result in you being asked to start the proper race from the pit lanes.

After the one-lapper, the official race will be set accordingly and started; initially at a standing start. The number of laps will have been changed to include the number of racing laps, plus 1 additional formation lap. Drivers will be asked to drive at no higher than 75 mph (~120km/h) for the formation lap, and must form a staggered 2-wide rolling start after the last corner. The pole sitter dictates their side of preference. The race begins when the leader crosses the start/finish line. At the end of the race, a delay timer of 3 minutes will be added, and it is encouraged that you try to finish the race even if you’re in last place.

There may be cases where more than one race will be held for one reason or another, meaning the races will be shorter, and at certain times there will be rules regarding compound rules and mandatory pit stops. These should not be very frequent, but when they are put in place, you will all be notified clearly and precisely.

Races will be anything between 60 and 90 minutes long, while race distances will vary a lot depending on lap times and track lengths. As expected, you will be awarded points for finishing the race, and will differ depending on your final position.
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Position & Points:
1st - 50 pts
2nd - 45 pts
3rd - 41 pts
4th - 37 pts
5th - 34 pts
6th - 31 pts
7th - 28 pts
8th - 25 pts
9th - 22 pts
10th - 19 pts
11th - 16 pts
12th - 14 pts
13th - 13 pts
14th - 12 pts
15th - 11 pts
16th - 10 pts

DNF - If you do not or cannot finish a race, you will be awarded points. However, these points will be half of the points awarded to the last person to finish. E.g. if 12 drivers finish and 3 DC, those 3 get 7 pts.
 
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I am considering using heavy damage for this series, so that people are conditioned to drive more safely that they ordinarily would under light damage, so as to not end up jeopardizing their own race as much as someone else’s race. This may be switched to light damage if not successful in making races cleaner, or too many issues arise.

Incidents:
Racing incidents can be anything.... from bumping, grinds, divebombing, corner cutting and not forgetting crashes and pile-ups. it is important to note that not all racing incidents are serious enough to stop the flow of the race with a caution. All drivers need to know not just what those are, but also ways to make sure that the race not only flows, but reduces/prevents incidents being reported against you.

Cautions:
If a racing incident is caused, the person/people involved must instantly stop, pause their car into “ghost” mode and give a simple indication of a caution by typing “!!” in the lobby chat, along with the number of drivers involved. Here, the lead car finishes the lap they’re on, and slows to a 60 mph (~100km/h) speed limit. Other cars are not allowed to overtake once an incident has been called, but can still drive quickly up until they reach the lead car.

Once all non-involved cars are bunched up, the cars involved MUST make their way to the pits to repair damage. The race will commence at the next time the cars reach the start/finish line, so long as the drivers in the incident have reached the pits. Pitting under caution is allowed, but any places lost or gained as a result are not to be reclaimed or yielded under caution, and it is not necessary to yield your position to someone who lost their place once race restarts.

Reporting Incidents, Stewarding and Disciplinary Measures:
Drivers involved in incidents that they want to report must PM me with the lap it happened followed with a brief description, so that it can be used in the briefing with the stewards. Discussion of the incident on the thread is strictly discouraged, to the point where if it gets out of hand and does not stop when told to take it elsewhere, parties involved in the argument may receive a qualifying or race ban; basically I’ll kick you on sight if you enter a lobby you’re under a ban in.

Drivers in this series will be called upon, anonymously, to give views on racing incidents and discuss with myself about disciplining drivers. I will only call upon drivers who are not involved in incidents for that race, especially if I am involved in an incident. They must decided on whether warnings must be given, points should be deducted and to what severity in an unbiased view of the events. Whatever the stewards decide will be the final word. Even I do not have the authority to change the stewards’ minds, but I may have talks with the to encourage/discourage harsher penalties.

Disciplinary measures are to ensure that offenders are punished for their actions, if deemed unfit for racing. Depending on the incident, the severity and the investigation into it, anything from a warning, to point-deductions, quali/race bans or even season bans can be dished out. However, incidents can be avoided by taking courteous measures if you happen to be involved in an incident with someone.

Call a caution when:
At least 2 or more cars end up off the track as a result of an incident.
At least 1 driver suffers either damage on two wheels, and/or to the engine as a direct result of an incident.
If a resulting incident blocks a portion of the road off to other competitors. Note: City tracks will likely have this issue.

Resolving Incidents Without Cautions:
Racing incidents don't always have to result in cautions. As with any incident, things can and should be done to avoid them, but sometimes it doesn't work out as clean-cut as that. To limit the number of cautions, I have thought of certain ways in which driver should resolve these incidents without having to call them, and to also try to limit the aggravation levels some incidents may bring about.

~ When an incident results in a driver going off-track, the other driver must find a suitable/safe place to stop and wait there for 20 seconds, or until the "victim" has rejoined the track. The waiting car must then yield position and cannot perform an overtake until the second turn after the yield was done.




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Hi Tez. Set specs for these cars seems very interesting. 👍 . Where did you test them for hit those "original specs"?
IMHO, the best track for testing different specs is Suzuka.
 
Hello!

I used the real life GT1 series as a mild base, and then I tried two different tracks that weren't on the list of tracks I was suggesting for the series. I used Trial Mountain and Fuji GT. One caters for the cornering, while one caters for high speed and acceleration. I respec'd them from there....

I still think that the cars aren't quite balanced enough, since I did them myself firstly, so I'm getting help from whoever joins. I got a few guys already joined that I need to update to the OP, so some of those free slots aren't quite free.
 
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ok thx, i'll try that.
Plus i'll give you some speed test results at Route X if you need ;)
 
That'd be useful, thanks. I might not need them right now though, but I do have a feeling I'll need them at some point. 👍

Also, kinda expanded on my earlier post, just to give a bit more of what I used as a base.
 
Congratulations on opening up these series! :)
 
Thanks very much!

There's still a few things I need to settle before I can get the season rolling, but in the meantime there's testing.
 
I'd thought I just say that I'm looking into the MP4 and 458 along with the GT. Just so you know mate!

Great work mate!
 
So you want the cars to run stock without upgrades unless they're needed to meet the specs? That'll be tough to enforce. Or are you just doing that for practice running?
 
I'm doing that just for testing/practice running. When pre-season and season events begin, everyone can do what they want with the car within its given specs.

At the end of the day, people aren't gaining anything by tuning the car through the testing phase. If anything, they're going to end up with a nerfed car with little or nothing left to improve on.
 
It makes little difference to some cars. The BMW in particular, is maxed out with everything to reach the 450hp. The only thing there is to do is lessen the weight on it in order for it to be as fast as the other cars. Even with it weighing less than them already, it's still slower than the SLS by 2 seconds at every track I've tested. I'm not telling you to change the regs on them now. I'm just giving you my feedback from testing! Another thing I was wondering, what about including the GTR R35 Spec-V ? That would be a great addition to the series, as it's ran against these cars IRL in the series you're basing this off of.
 
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I am going to enter the series.

cnd01/cnd01/Mercedes SLS AMG*/central daylight time

*this is assuming the current car specs stay where they are.
 
freshseth83
It makes little difference to some cars. The BMW in particular, is maxed out with everything to reach the 450hp. The only thing there is to do is lessen the weight on it in order for it to be as fast as the other cars. Even with it weighing less than them already, it's still slower than the SLS by 2 seconds at every track I've tested. I'm not telling you to change the regs on them now. I'm just giving you my feedback from testing! Another thing I was wondering, what about including the GTR R35 Spec-V ? That would be a great addition to the series, as it's ran against these cars IRL in the series you're basing this off of.
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That's completely fine Seth. I know you are giving feeback and its much appreciated.

The R35 GT-R is a pretty good option to consider. There's 3 FRs, 2 AWDs and 3 MRs at the moment, so even if we do have an extra AWD car and give the BMW the boot, we'll have 2 FRs, 3 AWDs and 3MRs. I'll have to buy and spec the car, though, unless you have it and can consider a decent enough spec for it?

Edit: The GT-R's pretty heavy, in fact I think its as heavy as the Aston. I'm not sure I want too many heavy cars in the series, so I'ma say no to that Nissan. Now if you said the 370z.... that would replace the BMW quite nicely.
 
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The GTR Spec-V is heavy? You may be thinking of the Black Edition. The Spec-V is 1362kg, that's about the same weight as the Aston Martin at it's lowest. The difference is the Spec-V has front downforce (only 2) like the Audi and Ferrari. The 370Z doesn't. And it doesn't handle nearly as good as the GTR Spec-V. The Z is also a GT4 type car (IRL) not a GT1. If you're looking to replace the BMW why not consider the Vette? I like the BMW, it just could deal with a little less weight. Maybe 1220kg? And try the GTR at 480hp 1370kg, it goes around as good as any other car in this series, and doesn't use the tires up that bad either. The SLS is probably the best car so far at your specs, and it's only 25-30kg less.

EDIT: Disregard the remarks about the BMW's weight. It doesn't get any lighter unfortunately :(
 
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All the R35's are heavy, the Spec V is probably the lightest of the bunch. I'm aware that the Aston is just as heavy, and I may snatch 10 kg off the car if testing sees it underperforming. Looking at the likes of Audi, Mercedes Benz and Aston Martin, which all run over 1300 kg, I don't want to add another 1300+ kg car to the mix

I chose 450 bhp / 1240 kg for the BMW because 1240 kg is the lowest weight the car gets, and 450 bhp is the lowest bhp the car gets with all upgrades on, and I did break the car in enough to try other specs. I'd have loved to give the car 1200 kg or 1210 kg, but it doesn't go as low as that, sadly.

I'll add the R35 to my invisible list of other possible cars (on Excel), and if the BMW can run higher bhp specs then let me know what they are and try them out. For now, let's hold thought on bringing in new cars and test the one's we've got.

Anyways, a few things I would like some input on. Firstly, does anyone have any tracks they would like to see on the SEASON roster?

Secondly, what is everyone's view on using Racing Hards for races? Bear in mind of course, that I would like to implement a two-tyre compound rule, with Hards as "Prime" and Softs as "Option".

Lastly, when would everyone be free to do sessions? I say sessions, because I'm going to run qualifying and races on seperate days. Of course, Qualifying will be early in the week with the races later on, but I would like a rough idea of when people are free.
 
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Tez_SP17
All the R35's are heavy, the Spec V is probably the lightest of the bunch. I'm aware that the Aston is just as heavy, and I may snatch 10 kg off the car if testing sees it underperforming. Looking at the likes of Audi, Mercedes Benz and Aston Martin, which all run over 1300 kg, I don't want to add another 1300+ kg car to the mix

I chose 450 bhp / 1240 kg for the BMW because 1240 kg is the lowest weight the car gets, and 450 bhp is the lowest bhp the car gets with all upgrades on, and I did break the car in enough to try other specs. I'd have loved to give the car 1200 kg or 1210 kg, but it doesn't go as low as that, sadly.

I'll add the R35 to my invisible list of other possible cars (on Excel), and if the BMW can run higher bhp specs then let me know what they are and try them out. For now, let's hold thought on bringing in new cars and test the one's we've got.

Anyways, a few things I would like some input on. Firstly, does anyone have any tracks they would like to see on the SEASON roster?

Secondly, what is everyone's view on using Racing Hards for races? Bear in mind of course, that I would like to implement a two-tyre compound rule, with Hards as "Prime" and "Softs" as Option.

Lastly, when would everyone be free to do sessions? I say sessions, because I'm going to run qualifying and races on seperate days. Of course, Qualifying will be early in the week with the races later on, but I would like a rough idea of when people are free.
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We already have 8 cars, so why would the GT-R be necessary? I really like the list we have. As far as racing hards, I like the hard and soft option. It really gives a big discrepancy between compounds. I have time on Tuesday afternoons as well as early Saturday afternoons before the ITCC cranks up. I could run Wednesday or Thursday mornings. Pretty much anytime Monday except the late afternoon.
 
I'd rather run mediums and softs. Or mediums and hards. The hards are too much of a difference from softs IMO. I suggested the GTR because you base this series off GT1, well the GTR WON GT1's world championship in 2011! The BMW wasn't ever a GT1 car, it's a GT3 car IRL. Even though the GTR is 'over 1300kg' like you say, it gets better tire wear than the BMW does. The weight of the car is meaningless as it's faster and better handling than the BMW. The BMW doesn't even keep up with the rest of the pack. Without upgrades to the engine, the other cars already leave it behind by 2 seconds a lap. That's with the BMW at it's max with all upgrades and it's lowest weight. I'm just trying to help out. You seem like you're going for realism, the GTR is a proven better car, even though it's 100kg heavier than the BMW. And if you lose the BMW the GTR IMO is the logical choice to replace it.
 
freshseth83
I'd rather run mediums and softs. Or mediums and hards. The hards are too much of a difference from softs IMO.
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That IMO is what interests me. The big difference in grip makes it more of a driver's series rather than how fast the car is. One car may have more pace on softs because of more horsepower, but that adversely affects the car on hards because that car would have to be driven more carefully because of wheel spin.
 
Its the same thing with Mediums. The gap is too big though. It's difficult to get your car going well on Hards when it's setup for Softs. I think running all 3 compounds is fine, but no two compound gap on the race. So Softs/Mediums or Mediums/Hards depending on the track (like Nurburgring, softs get very low life there, so using Mediums/Hards would cut down on the pit stops).
 
Could I join this series?
Also, wondering about the time of the races?
 
Mishima - mishimaworld // GMT + 7
Car Choice: Ferrari 458 Italia ’08 ~ 440 bhp / 1260 kg
 
Welcome Mishima! :)

Looking at your timezone, it depends on what your weekday schedule is like in the morning.
11pm, UTC will put times in other timezones at the following:
7pm, EST (GMT-5)
6pm, CST (GMT-6)
4pm, PST (GMT-8)
6am, GMT +7



Seth, I'ma say this as concisely as possible.

I don't want too many heavy cars. Three is enough, regardless of the performance of a fourth option. The current cars I chose are in the current GT1 WC. Including a BMW.

Hard is Prime, the main tyre choice, the one you'll run longest on. Soft is Option, with a restriction of 1, possibly 2 stints. Mediums will be the other Option choice on long tracks or tracks that eat through tyres, but again, 1 stint restriction. I had already thought of including mediums somewhere before you mentioned it.

Don't set the car up for softs if its not the main tyre choice. It'd be your downfall.

The reason I created this series is because I want to try things that I haven't seen implimented in ALMS or Rolex. Multi-stage qualifying which will involve a tyre restriction also per stage, seperate quali/race days to limit the amount of free time people need to give to compete, having Racing Hards being used FULL TIME in EVERY RACE for once.... these are what I don't see right now anywhere else, and these ideas will be implimented during preseason at least.


Sorry to pick on you, but this was pretty funny:
freshseth83
It's difficult to get your car going well on Hards when it's setup for Softs.
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*facepalm*
I wonder why.... :D
 
Tez_SP17
Welcome Mishima! :)

Looking at your timezone, it depends on what your weekday schedule is like in the morning.
11pm, UTC will put times in other timezones at the following:
7pm, EST (GMT-5)
6pm, CST (GMT-6)
4pm, PST (GMT-8)
6am, GMT +7
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Ouch... 6am... I go to work at 7.30am, maybe i could wake up a bit early to do the quali.

So the qualifying would be during the weekdays and the race would be Saturday or Sunday?
 
To be honest the time hasn't been set for either. Weekdays should always be qualifying though.

I was going to do weekday races too, but I'm waiting on people's thoughts and timeslots. I have cnd's timeslots at the moment. He's GMT-6, so take that into consideration. I'll quote the slots for you.

cnd01
I have time on Tuesday afternoons as well as early Saturday afternoons before the ITCC cranks up. I could run Wednesday or Thursday mornings. Pretty much anytime Monday except the late afternoon.
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Monday is Seth's 90's LeMans series, and I work before it anyway. I COULD do Monday morning/afternoon.... once my sister is back at school.

For me, Tuesday afternoons (evening here in UK) depend on how early or late the afternoon part is, that's an option.

Wednesday/Thursday morning (Afternoon in UK) is an option. Might clash with my dinnertimes though (parents hate me not being at the table, it offends them)....

I'm fully booked Saturday. I literally get in as ITCC starts, then Rolex afterwards.


Hmmmmm..... this might be kinda awkward.
 
freshseth83
Its the same thing with Mediums. The gap is too big though. It's difficult to get your car going well on Hards when it's setup for Softs. I think running all 3 compounds is fine, but no two compound gap on the race. So Softs/Mediums or Mediums/Hards depending on the track (like Nurburgring, softs get very low life there, so using Mediums/Hards would cut down on the pit stops).
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Yea that's why it is a driver's series. That makes setup all about compromise rather than just how fast you can make your car. I like the big gap. I say hard/soft.
 
Ill sign up for this series, are we allowed aero kits? Slagithor, Francois1689//Central, Aston Martin V12 Vantage
 
yeah as far as times for races and qualifications are concerned post something in the thread cuz my work schedule is kinda goofy, i usually work 2:30-10 (cst) on weekdays then 7-3 (cst) saturday and 3-11 (cst) sunday. so let me know if this is an issue or if i need to withdraw.
 
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