Official 625PP Testing Post.
Going in order. Times you see now aren't representative of the final times I may achieve with the car. Once I get every car done, I'll go back to each one to see if I can go faster. Once I put
FINAL on the bottom of my post, All results are done.
DS3 (7) - Automatic
1) ACSR421's LM Spec II -
1:38.803
New assessment. I still feel the front is far too twitchy. I don't know how you've made this car have such a hyperactive front end, I've never driven anything like it. Other than that, I like the car. Brakes are a little strong for my liking. Couldn't get a better time but in my reassessment I came close to the above posted time so that's good. I have to say it's really hard to spin out in this, even with the twitchy front. I actually tried to see just how early I could get on the power before the car would snap on me and I didn't manage to spin so, well done.
Outstanding.
2) CSL's Vette -
1:41.334
My first impression of this car wasn't good. Exiting parabolica immediately revealed slow turn in. Coming into the first chicane the car felt even worse. Why doesn't this thing turn I thought to myself. The rest of the lap was much of the same. Lazy front, truck like turn in, and decent exit grip. No other car has frustrated me quite like this one on this track. I had to come up with some creative ways to take certain corners cause my usual style just proved impossible. I was expecting so much from this car yet it's let me down in a spectacular fashion. I've had plenty of experience with the C5-R and I've never had it feel this bad. On a whim I decided to see how the car felt with a completely stock suspension. Unfortunately, even stock the car didn't have enough front push for my liking but keeping that in mind within two laps I was in the 40's. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, this car just didn't gel with me. Perhaps because I'm using a DS3, I don't know. Sorry
Holy Crap
3) C-Zeta -
1:39.294 (A 38 is possible, but I can't get it, at least not today)
The best of the best. As close to perfect as a tune can be I think. Words cannot express how much I love the way you've made this Citroen drive. This is exactly how I want all cars to feel. Wonderful turn in, tons of grip mid corner and corner exit that defaults oh so very slightly to oversteer. No understeer to be found anywhere in this tune, THANK YOU! Even the brakes I found to be weak at first, I worked around and incorporated them into my style. Slightly stronger brake balance would be even better, but that's basically my only nit-pick from this tune. For me, This tune is right up there with
Vett'e's ZR1 RM Tune in my Top 5.
Outstanding - Can I go higher? I want to.
4) 'Ren's RX-7 -
1:39.883
On first impression the car felt great. Just the right amount of slip everywhere, no major faults and good power delivery. This car really felt like my Zonda, except for one small difference. Coming out of Ascari, the back end of this car just wouldn't stay planted. No matter how delicate I was, it would always swing out to the point of ruining many good laps. After looking at the tune, I've found what I think is the fault - Aero. Ren, I think you've gone just over the edge on how close F and R aero can be before a car starts to have the rear slide uncontrollably. A few more clicks on Rear Aero, or a few less clicks on Front, and this car would be perfect. Taking all this into account...
Outstanding - Borderline Drivable
5) Johnnypenso's Viper -
1:39.297 -NEW
My last encounter with a Viper was Onboy's bore-me-to-death-mobile so I was naturally expecting the same from this car. Unfortunately, My expectations were met, though thankfully not entirely. This car feels very safe to drive in every possible way. That's not to say it's boring to drive, thankfully it isn't. I do have a problem with this car and that is understeer. Coming out of all speed corners, there is understeer present. Even worse, hitting the throttle results in nothing but understeer so I really had to make sure I was perfectly on point in every corner. Parabolica was particularly bad for me, and I do think there's at least .3 seconds to be had there.
Drivable - Borderline Outstanding
6) krenkme's M3 -
1:40.744
Funny little car this M3. It's really hard to describe how I feel about it. It's even worse than Johnny's Viper on the understeering front, but there's just something about the way this M3 handles that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. The best way to put it I guess, is that it's a driver instructor's race car. Very little room for recovery if you get entry into a corner wrong. Get it right however, and the car sort of glides over the race track. It will still understeer, but you'll like it understeering
. I really don't know why I like this car...but I do. Take out the safety understeer, while keeping the wonderful on track feeling, and you'll have the perfect tune for this car.
Edit: Forgot to mention, Gearing seems to have rather large gaps. I think the gearbox could use a bit of work.
Drivable
7) MCH's Spec II -
1:38.997
Really liked what you did with this car Hami. Driving it was a pleasure. Suspension was excellent, Gearbox was excellent and even the brakes were excellent. Brakes took me by surprise since I was expecting what I've previously called "Hami Brakes" to be present in this tune as well. Thank you for finally making a car that doesn't snap when you let go of the brake pedal. It's a shame I couldn't make this car go faster, cause it really seems like it should be faster than the time it posted. I think your choice of Aero is the reason why this car is slower than ACSR421's attempt. The two Lesmo corners is where your car lost a ton of ground compared to ACSR421's car. I spend a fair amount of time with this car so basically the time you see up there is most likely what will remain. Yes, I will go back to it, but I seriously doubt I'll go faster - I put in as much as I could.
Outstanding
8) Onboy's Mullet Mobile
1:40.285 -NEW
Actually very similar to krenkme's car, with a bit more push. Funny thing is one of my "hot-laps" in this car was EXACTLY the same as I did in krenkme's M3 (1:40.744). I was a bit speechless when I crossed the finish line on that one. Now as far as this car goes, it has a good amount of grip in most corners, transmits power well and is overall a nice package to drive. It does have a few problems though one of which is something that's plagued most cars in this shootout - Understeer. Parabolica was particularly tough in this car because it would just want to push wide into the sand. Another area of concern are the brakes. This car features what I affectionately call "Hami Brakes". Unfortunately because of this I had quite a lot of trouble at Lesmos because braking before the corner, and then releasing the brake pedal would result in the car's rear being upset. A few clicks lower on both F and R would fix the problem (Or a tweak on the LSD). I don't like high BB for the most part.
Drivable - Borderline Outstanding
9) Riddox's Lexus -
1:40.693
What a weird car this is. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but it is what it is. First up the brakes, the most controversial part of the car. Actually I didn't mind them one bit, and actually enjoyed smoking the front under heavy braking. Call me weird but it felt a bit more, realistic? Anyway, Like the brakes
. Next up the transmission - Set up very well and the 8th gear actually surprised me (Thought I'd top out in 7th on straightaway). Felt really..luxurious having 8 gears to play with, even if I ran Auto. The car also put down its power pretty well as well. I'm afraid the positives end here. I don't know what was wrong with the car, whether it was the LSD or Suspension but something felt really off with the way the car stuck to the track. It just felt rough, felt like I had to seriously slam the car into corners to make it work. The smoothness other cars have on this track, this car lacks. I would suggest a look at the dampers or perhaps raising the car a bit. Sorry, I can only give this car...
Also, Brake point at least for me at the first chicane was probably the 175M mark.
Replay saved if you want me to upload it.
Driveable
10) XDesperado67's BMW -
1:40.760
It's difficult to begin this review since I just don't know where to start. This car is just...I can't find any redeeming features. Going around the long bend after the first chicane the car seems to wobble with one of the back wheels scrubbing. Exiting the second chicane the inside rear wheel is boiling red spinning away any hope of a quick exit. Entering Lesmos shows one of the worst parts of this tune - Horrible corner exit understeer. I hadn't lost a car in Lesmos up until this M3. Going into Ascari and I begin to really despise this car. Corner exit at full throttle is all but impossible. Finally, We have parabolica - a corner many cars in this shootout have struggled with. Regrettably this car is all but impossible in parabolica if driven through my traditional line. The way I took the corner was very late braking, praying for the car's rear to skid and then full throttle the instant I sensed the back moving. Red tires and smoke galore but the quickest way through. There's more time to be found in this car, perhaps 0.3 more but I just can't do it. I just don't have the patience for it. Sorry.
Holy Crap.
11) ugabugaz -
1:39.575
Drivable - Borderline Outstanding
(I need to apply some tweaks to the tune for it to fully please me, hence the rating
)
FINAL
I should have wrote on the tune that with high BB, the car needs to be driven with threshold and trail braking so it won't understeer and be competitive. I have no issues tuning and testing it with no ABS and then with ABS too ( I do still threshold and trail brake all the time as well blipping the throttle on every downshift ) Anyway, still great time there, thanks 
tells me a lot too) 👍
