GTP Cool Wall : Challenger RT. VOTE!

.: Hemi Challenger R/T suggested by Nicksfix :.





Spec. As much specification details as you could want, alot more than I could paste.

IMO A very sharp revival of a muscle car icon. However its a bit large in scale and in its price group its not the smartest pick,how ever its still cool

Cool, because we've never really had the muscle car thing in the UK so it's always been a largely unattainable thing associated with a cool era in US car history.

So, these modern remakes of classic muscle are cool, and still largely unattainable over here.

Obviously,I voted sub-zero.IMO,the best rendition of a retro muscle car to date,it is even carrying the grass roots engine of the Mopar muscle car era,the Hemi.Although not the 426 version,this thing will still get up and go.

For different versions that are being offered in the aftermarket,you should check this out :

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

Some sweet stuff being offered for this car.

It's the size of a house and tries to be retro. It's not seriously uncool, but defiantly uncool.

only misses sub zero because Chrysler forgot to chop three inches out of the wheelbase, thus shedding 300 lbs.

uncool. too heavy and big.

Joey D

It's the size of a house and tries to be retro

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comparison , old -vs- new

length on older 70-4 versions - 191.3 in.
length on newer '08 ^ versions - 197.7 in. (only 6.4in. longer)

width on 70-4 versions - 76.1 in.
width on '08 ^ versions - 75.7 in (.4 in. less)

height on 70-4 versions - 50.9 in.
height on '08 ^ versions - 57.0 in (6.1 in. higher)

There's not that much of a difference there.So by your take on this,I'm assuming that you think the original E-bodies (1970-4 'Cuda's and Challengers) were as big as "a house" as you put it ? Not really.

It's trying to be retro but not doing it. It handles like a hamfisted goldfish and features visual 'enhancements' (i.e the bonnet vents) that aren't functional. It's a marketing scheme to rake in older fanboy's money (because they couldn't afford the original when they were young) and by doing this, have thrown all the history away.

It's a bare symbol of what is wrong with today's commercialised, disposable disposition.

As it is trying to be stylish, it saves it from seriously uncool.

Nicksfix

comparison , old -vs- new

length on older 70-4 versions - 191.3 in.
length on newer '08 ^ versions - 197.7 in. (only 6.4in. longer)

width on 70-4 versions - 76.1 in.
width on '08 ^ versions - 75.7 in (.4 in. less)

height on 70-4 versions - 50.9 in.
height on '08 ^ versions - 57.0 in (6.1 in. higher)

There's not that much of a difference there.So by your take on this,I'm assuming that you think the original E-bodies (1970-4 'Cuda's and Challengers) were as big as "a house" as you put it ? Not really.

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I talking in terms of modern sports cars.

I don't know nor do I really care to know about the old Challengers as I don't care for those either.

Joey D

I talking in terms of modern sports cars.

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On that note Joey,I can see your point. 👍

I voted for Sub-Zero. I love the new challenger. When they start hitting the used market, I'll go test drive one.

In person, they're not very noticeable. Every time i see one, it looks like an unfinished concept car. Something just looks awkward about it. It just doesn't have that charm or demeanor that the old cars had, and since that's it's whole point, it fails for me and gets an "uncool".

I haven't driven one so it could be really fast, but at this point it's already a disappointment anyway.

Has the looks, but is as heavy as a pig and corners like a drunk hippo. I'll give it a weak cool.

I'm enjoying the irony of people complaining that a muscle car, of all things, is heavy and doesn't handle...

homeforsummer

I'm enjoying the irony of people complaining that a muscle car, of all things, is heavy and doesn't handle...

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So am I. It's not a Lotus, we get that it is big and heavy. It's just like the original, not very good in the corners and great in a straight line.
And for my opinion I voted sub-zero because I think it is the best looking of all the retro cars, doesn't blend into the crowd, and is fast.

The issue with that is that was fine in the '60s, but it's not supposed to be fine now. EVERYTHING is supposed to handle nowadays.

Nicksfix

Obviously,I voted sub-zero.IMO,the best rendition of a retro muscle car to date,it is even carrying the grass roots engine of the Mopar muscle car era,the Hemi.Although not the 426 version,this thing will still get up and go.

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Except... It's not really a Hemi now is it? It does NOT have true hemispherical combustion chambers.

Giancarlo

In person, they're not very noticeable. Every time i see one, it looks like an unfinished concept car. Something just looks awkward about it. It just doesn't have that charm or demeanor that the old cars had, and since that's it's whole point, it fails for me and gets an "uncool".

I haven't driven one so it could be really fast, but at this point it's already a disappointment anyway.

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You're right... To me they manage to look like extremely bland blocks of whatever color they're painted with headlights and taillights. It just doesn't work.

Add in the way it manages to give an impression of being huge (and indeed, BEING huge, no matter how much you say 6" in length and 6" in height isn't "much" it's a ton on a car, especially the height) and the absolutely massive weight... No thanks. Avoids seriously uncool by not being completely horrible.

I voted cool but, i think it is towards uncool. Anyway i like the Mustang, the most out of the three reto cars!! Love the looks of the Mustang GT 500!!👍

Rotary Junkie

Except... It's not really a Hemi now is it? It does NOT have true hemispherical combustion chambers.

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It is a true hemispherical combustion chamber.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

Nicksfix

It is a true hemispherical combustion chamber.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

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To directly quote from that...

The Hemi design combustion chamber is one of the poorest designs for emissions - why do you think it took so long to get it into production? It almost did not make emissions test requirements even with the modifications. ... Today's Hemi is that (a "Hemi") in name only. [Editor's note: Bob is referring to the head design. It is not a true hemispherical head, but looks vaguely like a hemispherical head with parts filled in.

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I seen that,good call on your part 👍.But it also says this.

The engine's unique two-valve hemispherical combustion chamber within an aluminum head provides impressive air flow, torque and power (hallmarks of the original), and gives the engine its throaty rumble. Fifty-six pounds lighter than the 5.9-liter V-8, the 5.7-liter Hemi produces 41% more power and 12% more peak torque, and appears to have substantial reserve for more power gains.

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Who knows.I'll still call it a Hemi.

I can't believe I'm the only one to vote seriously uncool. Where's Casio, he always votes seriously uncool unless it's a Saab.

I voted cool. I would definitely drive one (in real life or GT5, if it even appears). I just happen to like the old Challenger more, so it doesn't get a sub-zero.

I voted cool. It doesn't have the engine to make it sub-zero, but just the looks alone are enough to make it cool.

homeforsummer

I'm enjoying the irony of people complaining that a muscle car, of all things, is heavy and doesn't handle...

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Bang on, I completely agree.

It doesn't have to handle, or even go around corners. At all.

What it does is look fat and make me love cars, and I don't need anything else.

If I could remotely afford to buy and run one I'd have it and drive it round town making grown men cry in jealousy. This car reminds people why cars were better in the old days. Thank god for the new mustang (which I have driven, and loved every second) which reminded people that muscle cars rule, even though they didn't work very well.

And I'd put money that it'll be in GT5, anyone want to take the bet?

American Muscle = Cool

I want one.

homeforsummer

I'm enjoying the irony of people complaining that a muscle car, of all things, is heavy and doesn't handle...

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I just don't feel that's acceptable on a modern car any more though. I can sort of understand weight since all cars need a ton of safety equipment in them now, but handling shouldn't be poor.

I voted seriously uncool. I'm sorry but i just do not like it at all. The most awkward thing about it is the high shoulder line, it looks too square and makes the rear look like it has just been glued on. Even worse than the awkward looks is the bad handling and heavy weight. How can a modern car be so....rubbish? I do not understand why someone would buy this instead of a Jaguar XKR.