How do you beat mission 34

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basically this thread is being started because there is no other one dedicated to this race.

i've only been able to find a few posts on this and they are no real help.

been racing this mission for days now and cant get any closer than about 9 seconds.

ive raced clean and have tried every trick a can think of to beat this race - riding walls taking any short cuts that i can find.

the 1 lap miracle is right - it will be a miracle if you can beat this.

any real help would be appriciated - thanks in advance
 
go to "mission hall is a *****". if you were paying more attention to that thread, theres way too much in information in there for you to get away with starting a thread. Before this gets closed though (it should anyway), just work on your exit speeds, thats what helped me get the last 10 seconds. Brake earlier then you're used to and accelerate out faster.
 
There's also the Mission Accomplished thread where dori-san tells you how to do it..

[edit:] And yes - it's really not that hard... I haven't been trying since I beat it, but I'm itching to shave off a few more seconds as I know they're there... I just got too careful on the last ½ of the lap when I was aiming for gold.. Now that I have it, I should be able to be more relaxed all the way through...
 
Yer, I have no trouble posting the lap time necessary, its getting around the other cars cleanly that was my problem. My first clean run and I did it.
 
I've not done it yet. I'm getting really annoyed with it now, and I think it's becoming psycological.

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I had to go and retrieve my PS2 from the back garden after that one. :grumpy:
 
Crayola
Yer, I have no trouble posting the lap time necessary, its getting around the other cars cleanly that was my problem. My first clean run and I did it.

PD did a pretty good job of putting the opponents in the most annoying places.. The first car through Karussel, the 190 Evo II through the long 3rd gear right hander... And the most annoying, the second last car, on a lap that'll JUST beat the time, he's right at the end of the straight with the little left kink.. Going so slow it looks like he's parked when you come flying in your SLR....
 
daan
I've not done it yet. I'm getting really annoyed with it now, and I think it's becoming psycological.

m34.jpg

I had to go and retrieve my PS2 from the back garden after that one. :grumpy:

I should've made a picture of my .065 failure ;)
 
as i said in the other thread:

the key with the merc in that mission is ... are you ready?....

light braking.

and i'm talking about legitimately racing. 2 tires on the track at all times. no lawn mowing, no wall bumping.
the merc has understeer when you are turning and on the gas pedal, and past a certain point (like 80-90%), braking has no real significant impact.

as an example of what you need to do on that mission: the very first turn is one the ring is mostly made up of - a turn you can't feather the brake through. instead, you have to:
1) brake hard (60-80%) to get your speed down to a decent speed.
2) let off the brake, but not all the way! maybe to 5-10%
3) start your turn (this might go right before step 2 depending on the turn)
4) when you're past the apex (and i do mean past), get back on the gas. you usually dont want to get back on the gas too fast, because you'll just understeer off the course.

if you did it right, getting back on the gas while keeping your wheel still after going through the corner will push your car (aka slight understeer) out to the outside of the track, right up to the bumpers.
it might be weird for you to be on the brakes past the apex, but light braking just pushes the front tires against the ground nice enough for you to make some really hard turns


the second turn on the ring (the second turn that the gear guide turns on, it's a 3) is an example of a turn where light braking really shines. for the second turn:
1) make sure you're on the left side of the track, all the way on the outside
2) this is the hard part, you have to decide when to initiate your brake+turn. i dont have the game in front of me, but when you can see the apex of the turn approach the right side of the screen, maybe about 75-80% to the side of your tv:
3) step on the brake LIGHTLY. 5-10% AND:
3) turn the wheel. you can be pretty fast about turning. but dont start wagging it all over the place trying to correct
4) just after you hit the inside apex of the turn, get back on the gas, full throttle

if you did it right, flooring the gas pedal will push your car to the outside of the track, but not put you in the grass.

maybe i should just make a video of my run. this was the hardest mission for me. it took me about 10 tries to get it. but i beat the 2nd place car by more than 3 seconds.

and a tip: if you don't catch the 5th place car by the carrousel, you probably won't win. but dont give up, you need to practice the last part of the track.
 
I wish I could complete a lap without getting a penalty. I haven't done it yet, and after 25 tries. What really annoys me is the mindless waiting for the damn lap to start. Why the hell did PD make it like that? It's so very stupid.

Anyway, if I can get one lap with no penalty, then I can see how far I'm behind without one. So far, my best lap is +10 seconds, but I mostly come in at +17 to +20 seconds. Bleh. I hate the SLR. You have to baby it a lot. If you don't, you'll most likely spin out. I've spun out going in a straight line with this damn thing. Why? Your guess is as good as mine, but I think braking while in the air after a jump is the cause for that.

I've discovered you'll get a faster time if you skip the "shortcuts" through the grass. Well, I go faster, at least. I know that at half way finished with the lap I should have passed two cars already, but I never do. By the time I pass my first car, I'm already at the beginning of the long straight. That's where I should pass my third car if I want to come in first.

But, for now, I'm burnt out on it. I wont attack it for a while, I think. After 25 tries, I did improve my time, but little progress is being made that I might as well quit for a while before I feel like never attempting to try it again. If the SLR was gone, and I had a race car, this wouldn't be a problem for me.

Just to know, who has completed this mission with the DS2?
 
Solid Lifters
I wish I could complete a lap without getting a penalty. I haven't done it yet, and after 25 tries. What really annoys me is the mindless waiting for the damn lap to start. Why the hell did PD make it like that? It's so very stupid.
25 ?... I've done 100 at least before beating it... Get to work ;)

For me, the seriously trickest part of Nurb is pretty early on the track.. The jump at Quiddelbacher Höhe, before Flugplatz would fubar me over and over again... Until I learned to shave it down to around 190km/h before hitting the jump - this will allow you to coast through Flugplatz at around 210-220 km/h... Since I managed to figure that out, I've got no trouble completing the last 18kms.... If you've got no idea what I'm talking about, the map is here..

Wish this was in GT4... Ohh well - There's always GT5...
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Just curious: How fast does your laptime have to be to make this one? I haven´t done this yet since I do the missions by the number they appear (at 27 now).
 
Flerbizky
PD did a pretty good job of putting the opponents in the most annoying places.. The first car through Karussel, the 190 Evo II through the long 3rd gear right hander... And the most annoying, the second last car, on a lap that'll JUST beat the time, he's right at the end of the straight with the little left kink.. Going so slow it looks like he's parked when you come flying in your SLR....


You're not fast enuff......

I caught and past the 1st car before the tight right hander leading to karussel.

But after hat, I go slow(I'm not that good) and need to play dirty to beat the gullwing. I just cut across the grass at 200+kph at the last few corners and ram the hell out of him.

The 5 seconds will not affect you if you ram him right 👍
 
TsLeng
You're not fast enuff......

I caught and past the 1st car before the tight right hander leading to karussel.

Ohh.. Re-read my post. I said "on a lap that'll JUST beat the time"... When I do laps now, I usually catch the first car just after Kesselchen and no later than Klostertal 1...
 
These are my recall notes from clearing mission 34. System is NTSC (US) and Driving Force Pro wheel controller.

Mission 34 notes……

On the McLaren: Scream the engine to 7500 rpm always. Testing at the big track showed significance improvement in acceleration over shifting at 7000, where the shift light flashes. Drive the car as if it were a low-torque kart by using rather dramatic trail-braking on most corner entries, and always trying to hold some throttle. Never over-drive any corner entry, rather sacrifice slightly to gain early throttle application on exit. This is very critical at the Nordschleife with its many uphill exits. Don’t shift up on any climb IF you can avoid it as the slow gearbox kills your time. Avoid always, getting the front tires sliding on entry braking. This car requires extreme attention to maintaining MOMENTUM since it does not pull well off so many of the bends at this track.

On the track: Few corners can be taken less than perfect if you want to go fast, and with the McLaren, everything is critical, such as holding the perfect smooth line on every straight, where you might think you can relax a bit. Much about the Nurburgring is extremely deceptive. Remember you can make more time in the fast sections than in the slow ones, so try harder in ALL of those, but remember that patience is not only a virtue, but it is required to hold the perfect line through many corners while correctly braking and gassing it all at the same time.

As a suggestion for attacking this mission, I drove a nearly identical McLaren many times in practice, often very slowly, to learn the track and to find the radii of ALL the corners where the entry and exit were not especially apparent. I did NOT however, spend much time at the practice circuit because you might as well work on your technique in the actual mission itself. I was able to switch off my emotions and switch on my brain, and psych DOWN, keeping in mind that it would take time to beat the SL, and that I simply would commit to the effort, whatever it took. Regarding the 123 second wait, I would click off the audio and close my eyes and count down, visualizing my approach to the first few bends.

The following is the method I used to clear this mission, and if it helps anyone clear this mission, then it will have served its purpose. I would love to hear of other methods, simply because of the difficulty and the fact that other methods certainly will also be effective, I’m sure.

So here we go.

Basic smooth and straight driving technique (considering the above car-specific points) gets you through the first section down to the important “jump” at Quiddelbacher Hohe. Scream the engine in third gear over the jump, releasing the throttle in mid-air so you can settle gently and straight, and so you can again pick up the throttle hard as you turn gently into at the first right hander. Hold third gear until you clear the brow of the hill at Flugplatz before shifting to fourth. Keep it nailed approaching the hilltop before descending down (using third gear and hard on the gas) to Aremberg and Schwedenkreuz and the right turn. As you clear the bridge and start the descent down through Fuchsrohre, you should see the time you’re behind the SL flash, showing less than 1’42”. 1’40 and change would be good.

Through Fuchsrohre then and as you start up the hill, feather the throttle and brake slightly for the left hander at the brow. Gas it hard to the entry of the next right and hold the inside on exit. Here comes a very critical left and then right onto a fairly long straight, at Adenauer, and it’s a chicane which must be put together correctly. If you get through well, you should see the time check show less than 1’33” as you start the straight.

The next section requires tempered aggression and no mistakes. Do not over-do it and don’t wait too long to turn in at any entry. You must get a run out of the right hand bend at Kallenhard, then get through the left/right straight but quick, and hold a steady throttle down to Wehrseifen, which may be the MOST critical bend on the track. You must get a smooth drive up the hill heading to Breitscheid. You should see the time check flash showing you’re less than 1’21” behind the SL. Breitscheid requires a conservative entry so you can hold a constant radius around and then down the short descent. You should be able to hold the throttle wide open around Breitscheid and then up the hill which leads to the Bergwerk section.

Approaching the right hand bend at Bergwerk, hold the braking until later than you think. You will need maximum momentum through the bend and you MUST have the throttle on hard to get the drive up the hill. This is one place where you never actually release the throttle on entry, rather being aggressive all the way around until you start your exit drive up the hill. The car will turn easier than you think here, and it’s fine to get over the inside curb as you prepare to exit. This is a very critical bend, because it’s uphill and leads to a very long and important (almost) straight section. As you make the first left after the hill, the time check should show less than 1’08” behind the SL. If you’re going fast it should show less than 1’07”.

The next section is so, so, so, so important. You must hold a smooth line through the bends of Kesselchen because the McLaren is reluctant to accelerate hard here.

As you clear the last right leading down to the Karussell section and its tricky first right called Klostertal, which you must not over-do on entry, you should have the AMG 65 well in your sights. The time check should show less than 57 seconds. As you approach the concrete patched and banked Carraciola bend, you want to be just a bit off his bumper so you can cleanly pass (on the left, thank you) just after leaping off the last section of patches. You really have to get by him here or the rest will be very upsetting.

The next section again requires aggression and conservation of momentum. It’s hard to describe how to do it, but you must take some chances and still hold the correct line through Wipperman. It’s very easy to slide off line, particularly going up through Hohe Acht and then through the off camber right following. Second gear is not a good idea after Hohe Acht because you’re right at rev limit, so momentum is the key, in third.

You should see the 500 as you negotiate the short straight through Brunnchen. You absolutely MUST get by him (cleanly) before the Pflanzgarten and the difficult jump. If you do, the rest is easy, relatively that is. It’s momentum again from the Pllanzgarten to the Schwalbenschwanz, and Niki Lauda has said that this section of racetrack is the most exciting and difficult of all the F1 tracks in the world. Hans Stuck said that the “hump” after the Pflanzgarten, “knocks the wind out of you down to the last fart”. I didn’t notice, but…

When you exit the Swallowtail, which can be taken almost flat in 2nd gear, you should be very close to the 190. Keep it nailed but smooth through the right hander leading onto the long, long, long straight past the ruins. Here the time check (at the beginning of the long straight) should show you’re less than 16 seconds (about) back from the Gull-Wing.

You must get cleanly by the Kompressor just after the bridge at Antoniusbruche. Then it’s up to you to be smooth with your braking so you can enter the last right before the pit entrance while closing rapidly on the (old but wonderful) SL. Don’t be too anxious and get in a hurry, remember that you’re a robot with no blood. Just close up on him as you come to the last right leading to the finish. He has no chance with the 600 or so horses of the McLaren, so you can roll by on the safe side and beat him to the line.

But if something bad happens, just do it all again (and again, and again…) until you smoke him. Remember, be cool and keep those emotions switched off and the little grey cells doing all the work.

These are the time gaps, as flashed during the run.

1’50.283 (behind the SL)
1’40.955
1’33.016 (slightly off in the grass here)
1’20.080
1’07.225
56.184”
41.410”
32.985”
26.392”
14.270”
5.924”

lap time 9’12.622

Tazio

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Flerbizky
Ohh.. Re-read my post. I said "on a lap that'll JUST beat the time"... When I do laps now, I usually catch the first car just after Kesselchen and no later than Klostertal 1...


err......


Flerbizky
PD did a pretty good job of putting the opponents in the most annoying places.. The first car through Karussel, the 190 Evo II through the long 3rd gear right hander... And the most annoying, the second last car, on a lap that'll JUST beat the time, he's right at the end of the straight with the little left kink.. Going so slow it looks like he's parked when you come flying in your SLR....


But you also said "PD did a pretty good job of putting the opponents in the most annoying places.."

What I meant was, If you go a little faster in the beginning, then you won't encounter these 'annoying' placing of opponents..... :)
 
TsLeng
You're not fast enuff......

I caught and past the 1st car before the tight right hander leading to karussel.

But after hat, I go slow(I'm not that good) and need to play dirty to beat the gullwing. I just cut across the grass at 200+kph at the last few corners and ram the hell out of him.

The 5 seconds will not affect you if you ram him right 👍
If you drive hard you can get the first one at that twisty but high-speed between Bergwerk and Stellstreke but you've gotta be careful at Klostertal because that corner is slower than you'd think. (Its the big up-hill left that tightens suddenly.)
 
It took me about 5 try's, you have to be driving pretty well and make no mistakes, if i were u id just go on the nur and do a free run in the SLR, set it up as it is in mission 34, crap tires etc, then just work out the perfect drive line for each corner.
 
Nuvolari
These are my recall notes from clearing mission 34. System is NTSC (US) and Driving Force Pro wheel controller.

Mission 34 notes……
lap time 9’12.622

Tazio

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good write up Tazio, like the precise details (and knowledge and appreciation for the Ring!) 👍

STINGER05
 
does anyone beat the mission with automatic transmission? i´m still 3 seconds from the SL and i don´t like manual... does the combination of DS2 + AT make it to hard to beat?
 
fasj6418
does anyone beat the mission with automatic transmission? i´m still 3 seconds from the SL and i don´t like manual... does the combination of DS2 + AT make it to hard to beat?

I did it with automatic, no wall riding, no grass hopping, ect. and I still got him at the last straight, but with only milliseconds left. So it's possible. Have to search my time though.
 
I have been trying to do this mission for over a week for 2-3 hours each DAY! and i still cannot do it!! i have gotten pretty consistant splits and i am doing pretty well where i can pass the SL65 AMG at the karousell or right after it 2/5 times but after that.. i get all screwed up.. passing the SL500 is really hard and i often screw up before the jump and get a penalty :(

my best finish so far is 4.5 seconds behind ... its really frustrating me.. and hearing about the guys that passed it in 5 tries?! wow...

I just sit there and read a magazine while i wait the 2 minutes and hope that i wont have to go back to reading it untill i finish.. somedays.. i dont even complete a lap at all because i push so hard and mess up... sigh
 
For those interested, I've thrown in a video of a semi decent run.. There's two (stupid) offs, sideways on the grass that I manage to catch, and I overshot the second last corner completely (I was in front of the SL which confused the h3ll out of me....) First run since I golded it, with a Final time of : 9'14.071 - 3.4 seconds off my gold time....

The Splits :

Flugplatz : + 1'42.094
Aremberg : + 1'33.118
Adenauer Forst : + 1'25.497
Wehrseifen : + 1'12.486
Kesselchen : + 1'00.392
Klostertal 1 : + 0'49.369
Hohe Acht : + 0'35.384
Pflanzgarten : + 0'27.511
Anfahrt Schwalbenschwanz : + 0'22.126
Döttinger Höhe : + 0'10.197
Antoniusbuche : + 0'01.852
 

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fasj6418
does anyone beat the mission with automatic transmission? i´m still 3 seconds from the SL and i don´t like manual... does the combination of DS2 + AT make it to hard to beat?
I've also done it with the DS2 on automatic, but I admit i cut the grass once or twice... but I bet I can beat it now even without doing that. If you hold L2 or R2 to redline the car and stay in the same gear for a little longer, it works just as good as manual
 
daan
I've not done it yet. I'm getting really annoyed with it now, and I think it's becoming psycological.

I had to go and retrieve my PS2 from the back garden after that one. :grumpy:
Man, you're lucky. The first place car I was up against usually got times around 9:12 or 9:13. How much did you have to wait in the beginning? I had the annoying 123 second time difference, which made things worse
 
It might be just me but I found Mission 34 to be the most enjoyable and satisfying part of GT4. I admit at first it was a bit frustrating, but every try I enoyed it more and more. I think part of the trick is just to stay relaxed, and just focus on the perfect lap, not necessarily trying to go faster all the time. After I started consistently coming in .6 seconds behind I knew it was just a matter of time and this only helped more with my driving, to stay calm and not over-do it. You can check out the following link if you need some inspiration and motivation:

http://www.formula1.com/archive/halloffame/driver/45.html

Have some patience and good luck! It is well worth the effort.
 
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