How do you beat mission 34

[daan]

How close was that?

But I don't care! I've passed!

 

[Flerbizky]

How close was that?

But I don't care! I've passed!

I bet you're itching to go back now !... That test / Mission is - BY FAR - the coolest in the history og GT !...

 

[Nuvolari]

For those interested, I've thrown in a video of a semi decent run.. There's two (stupid) offs, sideways on the grass that I manage to catch, and I overshot the second last corner completely (I was in front of the SL which confused the h3ll out of me....) First run since I golded it, with a Final time of : 9'14.071 - 3.4 seconds off my gold time....

The Splits :

Flugplatz : + 1'42.094
Aremberg : + 1'33.118
Adenauer Forst : + 1'25.497
Wehrseifen : + 1'12.486
Kesselchen : + 1'00.392
Klostertal 1 : + 0'49.369
Hohe Acht : + 0'35.384
Pflanzgarten : + 0'27.511
Anfahrt Schwalbenschwanz : + 0'22.126
Döttinger Höhe : + 0'10.197
Antoniusbuche : + 0'01.852

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Congratulations on clearing this difficult mission.

I'm interested in possible differences in the formats and the effects those differences would have on results. Mine is the NTSC format and I use a Driving Force Pro wheel. I'm assuming your system is PAL, correct?

You're showing eleven time checks, the same as mine but---the times are quite different. So I'm wondering if the check locations are different between the two formats. And the SL would have been slower than you, since you beat him, which means his time would have been greater than yours at 9'14.071. During several runs, in my system the SL was never slower than 9'13 almost exactly, and often as not he was in the high 9'12 time range. So the fact that he is slower in your system makes me wonder why. Was there any contact or near contact as you passed him near the finish? (I haven't tried to wait on the video file to see your run.)

Anyway, I'll attach my times for comparison if you'd like to just take a look. Maybe some time checks are the same and some are not between the two formats.

These are the time gaps, as flashed during the clearing run, mission 34.

T1 1’50.283 Quiddlebacher Hohe (the jump)
T2 1’40.955 Bridge at Schwedenkreuz after Aremberg
T3 1’33.016 After Adenauer Forst sign (after tight chicane)
T4 1’20.080 After Wehrseifen coming into Breitscheid
T5 1’07.225 After Bergwerk up to Kesselchen
T6 56.184” Just before Klostertal (sign at Steilstrecke)
T7 41.410” Hedwigs Hohe
T8 32.985” Before Pflanzgarten
T9 26.392” After Pflanzgarten before Schwalbenschwanz
T10 14.270” after Dottinger Hohe, start of the straight
T11 5.924” Antoniusbrucke

lap time 9’12.622
SL time 9’13.018
M.O.V. .396”

Tazio

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Again, congratulations on your effort.

 

[daan]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62216

 

[gumpy]

If I need to I will be using this map to plan my lap. I will also use it to plan for races to show where I need to brake hard etc as I am struggling to remember the whole lap.

 

[Solid Lifters]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62216

Great video, daan. That really helped me see where I was going to slow or braking too much, or not enough. 👍

 

[fasternfaster]

I have concluded that the PAL version Mission 34 is easier by about 12 seconds when compared to the NTSC..

here is why..

Pal version handicap is 1minute 55 seconds
NTCS version handicap is 2 minutes 3 seconds

difference = 8 seconds

Pal version 300SL laptime is 9:16.5xx
NTSC version 300SL laptime is 9:12:5xx
difference = 4 seconds

8+ 4 = 12 SECONDS PEOPLE!!!

so thin of it this way if you have the NTSC version and you came in 2nd or 3rd with a gap of less than 12.. you could have WON if you had the PAL version.

and those of you that HAVE the PAL version and think you are a great driver.. try to sit on the line for 8-12 seconds.. and then see how hard it is to win..

I looked at Daans video and the driving wasnt that spectacular.. there are many places where he babied the car and took it easy.. where as in order for me to catch up to his splittimes in the later half of the lap i have to push the car to its limit and sometimes overdrive it.

im still struggling if its not obvious. Im kinda tired of the misson and started doing some of the manufacturer races so i can try to have some fun again.

 

[yo_light]

This is probabily the most difficult mission everyone has faced..due to the fact that the time u have to beat in the slr is rediculious.

 

[Nuvolari]

I have concluded that the PAL version Mission 34 is easier by about 12 seconds when compared to the NTSC..

here is why..

Pal version handicap is 1minute 55 seconds
NTCS version handicap is 2 minutes 3 seconds

difference = 8 seconds

Pal version 300SL laptime is 9:16.5xx
NTSC version 300SL laptime is 9:12:5xx
difference = 4 seconds

8+ 4 = 12 SECONDS PEOPLE!!!

And add to that the time it takes to get from the McLaren start position to the 300 SL start position. The clock starts when he starts, not when he crosses the start line. So you don't start gaining on him until you get up the track to where he started.

I think I counted that at about 3.5 seconds.

Obviously the PAL users have to do the same thing, so for both it actually adds about 3.5 seconds to the actual time you must make up. So for NTSC users the time gap becomes 126.5 seconds. So a 7'6.500" lap time in the McLaren will get you even with him rather than the 7'10.00" considering only the 123 second wait.

Tazio

 

[soptom]

Rubbish, after mapping out the entire Ring so meticulously and striving to be the "real driving simulator" they'll alter the times possible on different versions for no obvios reason what-so-ever????? Get real. When known drivers can manage to match their times within tiny percentages between the game and real life, do you seriously believe that they have to ask what version they are using so they don't end up disappointed if they lose on the wrong one. The AI cars don't always use the exact same lines, the same way you can adjust their "catch up" speed, the system won't let you thrash their times.

 

[Lofberg]

PD did a pretty good job of putting the opponents in the most annoying places.. The first car through Karussel, the 190 Evo II through the long 3rd gear right hander... And the most annoying, the second last car, on a lap that'll JUST beat the time, he's right at the end of the straight with the little left kink.. Going so slow it looks like he's parked when you come flying in your SLR....

The first car to overtake for me, did I pass on the fast long light corner part, just before the banked corner.

 

[Nuvolari]

Rubbish, after mapping out the entire Ring so meticulously and striving to be the "real driving simulator" they'll alter the times possible on different versions for no obvios reason what-so-ever????? Get real. When known drivers can manage to match their times within tiny percentages between the game and real life, do you seriously believe that they have to ask what version they are using so they don't end up disappointed if they lose on the wrong one. The AI cars don't always use the exact same lines, the same way you can adjust their "catch up" speed, the system won't let you thrash their times.

Maybe you're right, but is there an explaination why on the PAL format the SL is about 3 seconds slower to complete the lap, (the SL does 9'13 or slightly less consistently in the NTSC format), and is it true about the 115 second wait time in PAL versus the 123 second wait time in NTSC? If the track is identically mapped in both PAL and NTSC, and time is time, what does this indicate?

And has anyone noticed what seems to be a conversion factor error (metric v. english, obviously) in the analyzer? I think they use .625 km per mile instead of .6214. Could this be a clue of anything?

Just thoughts, but...

Tazio

 

[Nuvolari]

Maybe you're right, but is there an explaination why on the PAL format the SL is about 3 seconds slower to complete the lap, (the SL does 9'13 or slightly less consistently in the NTSC format), and is it true about the 115 second wait time in PAL versus the 123 second wait time in NTSC? If the track is identically mapped in both PAL and NTSC, and time is time, what does this indicate?

And has anyone noticed what seems to be a conversion factor error (metric v. english, obviously) in the analyzer? I think they use .625 km per mile instead of .6214. Could this be a clue of anything?

Just thoughts, but...

Tazio

Begging pardon.

Let me retract that business about the conversion. They do use .6214. The only analyzer issue seems to be that have the segments slightly off, at the .625 factor.

So it's a non-issue.

Tazio

 

[gumpy]

I have concluded that the PAL version Mission 34 is easier by about 12 seconds when compared to the NTSC..

here is why..

Pal version handicap is 1minute 55 seconds
NTCS version handicap is 2 minutes 3 seconds

difference = 8 seconds

Pal version 300SL laptime is 9:16.5xx
NTSC version 300SL laptime is 9:12:5xx
difference = 4 seconds

8+ 4 = 12 SECONDS PEOPLE!!!

so thin of it this way if you have the NTSC version and you came in 2nd or 3rd with a gap of less than 12.. you could have WON if you had the PAL version.

and those of you that HAVE the PAL version and think you are a great driver.. try to sit on the line for 8-12 seconds.. and then see how hard it is to win..

I looked at Daans video and the driving wasnt that spectacular.. there are many places where he babied the car and took it easy.. where as in order for me to catch up to his splittimes in the later half of the lap i have to push the car to its limit and sometimes overdrive it.

im still struggling if its not obvious. Im kinda tired of the misson and started doing some of the manufacturer races so i can try to have some fun again.

Dude there is a reason for this.

NTSC TV system is 24 frames per second.
PAL is 25 frames per second.

Therefore PAL times need to be 4% longer than NTSC to make it even.

 

[Iceman]

If that's your logic why are the other missions kept the same? Why are the the majority of the license times the same?

 

[gumpy]

If that's your logic why are the other missions kept the same? Why are the the majority of the license times the same?

They are not all the same. There is a thread elsewhere that discusses various differences and it is always the case that the PAL time is longer than the NTSC time.

I am not expert on this - I am only repeating what I have read elsewhere.

If I come across the other thread again I will post it here.

 

[Iceman]

The few differences are because a certain gold time was too hard to get and in this case, mission 34 was too hard to get, so the time was raised.

 

[Darts]

I have concluded that the PAL version Mission 34 is easier by about 12 seconds when compared to the NTSC..

here is why..

Pal version handicap is 1minute 55 seconds
NTCS version handicap is 2 minutes 3 seconds

difference = 8 seconds

Pal version 300SL laptime is 9:16.5xx
NTSC version 300SL laptime is 9:12:5xx
difference = 4 seconds

8+ 4 = 12 SECONDS PEOPLE!!!

so thin of it this way if you have the NTSC version and you came in 2nd or 3rd with a gap of less than 12.. you could have WON if you had the PAL version.

and those of you that HAVE the PAL version and think you are a great driver.. try to sit on the line for 8-12 seconds.. and then see how hard it is to win..

I looked at Daans video and the driving wasnt that spectacular.. there are many places where he babied the car and took it easy.. where as in order for me to catch up to his splittimes in the later half of the lap i have to push the car to its limit and sometimes overdrive it.

im still struggling if its not obvious. Im kinda tired of the misson and started doing some of the manufacturer races so i can try to have some fun again.

You mean 8 minus 4 = 4 seconds, cause you are now saying it is even more difficult because you are faster(8 PLUS 4)

 

[ribs41]

HELLO man this was the hardest mission for me to do i worked on this for weeks until i got it . that video helped me heaps . i won it by 2.- something seconds . wham bam thank you very much people for all the tips . passed the last car to pass the second last corner .

 

[RouWa]

You mean 8 minus 4 = 4 seconds, cause you are now saying it is even more difficult because you are faster(8 PLUS 4)

The PAL Mercedes ´54 is 4 seconds slower than the NTSC Mercedes ´54. You have to add this 4 seconds to the 8 you wait longer in the NTSC.

 

[fasternfaster]

You mean 8 minus 4 = 4 seconds, cause you are now saying it is even more difficult because you are faster(8 PLUS 4)

I mean exeactly what i said. If you read carefully.. you will realize that starting 8 seconds later and having to catch a car that is 4 seconds faster adds up to having to beat a time that is 12 seconds less. Simple math.

on another note: The fact that PAL has 25 FPS should make no difference with respect to time. having more frames doesnt mean that the time will go by faster or slower. It just means you get the frames spaced closer together. But 1 minute is still one minute. And one second is one second... you just get to see one extra frame in that time.

Bottom line is.. The test was hard.. and they made it easier for PAL. So if u have a pal and u passed it on your 5th try.. dont come here talking down to all of us that are struggling.

Lev

 

[Jules_r]

Bottom line is.. The test was hard.. and they made it easier for PAL. So if u have a pal and u passed it on your 5th try.. dont come here talking down to all of us that are struggling.

This is the problem that I am having as I have both the Pal and NTSC version's of the game.

I completed Mission 34 on the Pal game with no trouble, been trying on the NTSC game for 2 weeks now, couple of hours most days and still 1 second off.

I'm quick too, I've seen 1’05. something After Bergwerk up to Kesselchen !

 

[My_Sterious]

Don't kill me when I say it's easy.
I managed it with my first try. Passed the 300SL in the last corner. Oh boy I drove the last corners fast.

 

[sjwahoo]

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These are the time gaps, as flashed during the clearing run, mission 34.

T1 1’50.283 Quiddlebacher Hohe (the jump)
T2 1’40.955 Bridge at Schwedenkreuz after Aremberg
T3 1’33.016 After Adenauer Forst sign (after tight chicane)
T4 1’20.080 After Wehrseifen coming into Breitscheid
T5 1’07.225 After Bergwerk up to Kesselchen
T6 56.184” Just before Klostertal (sign at Steilstrecke)
T7 41.410” Hedwigs Hohe
T8 32.985” Before Pflanzgarten
T9 26.392” After Pflanzgarten before Schwalbenschwanz
T10 14.270” after Dottinger Hohe, start of the straight
T11 5.924” Antoniusbrucke

lap time 9’12.622
SL time 9’13.018
M.O.V. .396”

Tazio

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Again, congratulations on your effort.

These times were my guide to finally get through this mission and get that last .2% to reach 100%. It only took about a week or so for this final race. I was typically about 1-2 seconds ahead of you in every checkpoint, except for the segment between T9 and T10, I dont know what you did but I would go from low 25s at T9 to ~15 at T10, fortunately 15 seconds is all you need.

Thanks for all of the tips, videos, and inspiration provided by people on this board. I also feel good about beating the US version, which sounds like for once is the more difficult version of a game.

Good luck to everyone else working on this, the sense of accomplishment once you get it makes all the frustration worth it.

 

[dori-san]

Dude there is a reason for this.

NTSC TV system is 24 frames per second.
PAL is 25 frames per second.

Therefore PAL times need to be 4% longer than NTSC to make it even.

no, that's horse ****. frames per second just relates to video smoothness. NTSC is 29.97 btw.

there's no way you can tell me that 8 seconds here in America isn't 8 seconds somewhere else.

time is universal, there is no difference like Metric & SAE. 1 second is 1 second everywhere.

plain and simply put, us NTSCers (that have beaten M34) are faster than the PALers that have beaten it by the same margin. I beat it by 0.383 seconds, so to be equal to my time PALers have to beat it by 8.383 seconds. easy math, fps has nothing to do with how long a second takes to elapse.

 

[Rockhound18]

Yeah, seriously. The NTSC people have to race balls out. Any kind of mistake means not passing the mission.

I spent about 10 hours trying over and over until I finally got it. I've actually beaten the mission by something like 1.7XX seconds now (I cant believe you can run it much better, that seemed near perfect), and that was with the 123 sec wait and the SL finished in the high 9'12s.

The whole fps thing wouldnt make a difference. They simply made it easier because it is so rediculously hard in the NA version.

Theres tons of info on how to beat this mission already. Dori-san has a great write-up and I did 3/4 of one before dori-san finished thats probably somewhere around page 30 of the "mission hall is a *****" thread.

Keep practicing, it is possible. But I do think MT is easier. It also makes getting 80 golds easier, so Id recommend getting used to it.

 

[Nuvolari]

These times were my guide to finally get through this mission and get that last .2% to reach 100%. It only took about a week or so for this final race. I was typically about 1-2 seconds ahead of you in every checkpoint, except for the segment between T9 and T10, I dont know what you did but I would go from low 25s at T9 to ~15 at T10, fortunately 15 seconds is all you need.

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Reviewing my run, I found that I did hesitate a bit entering the karrussel because I had closed up quickly on the AMG and I "waited" just a bit to get a run on him out of the concrete patches, which I did and that allowed me to get by cleanly. I don't think I hesitated at all when I caught the 500 just as we both cleared the brow heading down to Pflanzgarten. I do know that I had a hair-raising moment just after the Pflanzgarten "jump", narrowly keeping it on the black stuff where the big sand trap is on the left. So that little white-knuckler may have indicated a pretty good gas-on negotiation up the hill and down to the time check at T9. A higher speed through T9 would make a big difference in the section before T10.

Congratulations on 100%, and on clearing #34. You must have pretty superior perseverance to even enter the Formula GT series. How many hours did that take, anyway? I have no plans for that one except to run the individual races as I suffer the periodic inspiration.

Now what're ya gonna do?

Tazio

 

[chrisbroughton]

I'VE FINALLY DONE IT! I beat it by 0.625 seconds after about 20 tries. The trick is to get really good at driving properly at the course (I got down to 4 seconds behind) and then cut one of two corners to win.

Now I know every bend of the course of by heart!!

 

[ADestroy]

you cannot say you are better then pal because the positioning of the other cars on the track will be different if you start 4 seconds slower, therefore a comparison cannot be made

 

[tool0101]

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you cannot say you are better then pal because the positioning of the other cars on the track will be different if you start 4 seconds slower, therefore a comparison cannot be made


i just passed this mission very recently after weeks of practice (ntsc), and i can testify that at least 90% of the difficulty is simply driving fast and consistently, and comparatively little has to do with the positioning of the cars. the last 5 or so tries i did drive more than fast enough until the final straight and ruined it by losing control trying to make the second to the last pass at 200mph, but this was only the last 5% of the work it took to improve my time enough to pass.

an 8 second difference (or even 4 seconds) is so overwhelmingly meaningful compared to the position of the cars that a comparison can easily be made and is probably quite accurate