Sorry for taking a while to bother replying to this somewhat old thread but I've been busy and crap... that aisde...what I do have of relevance to this thread...
Some preaty intresting infromation on one of the more popular drift cars aside from the many FC,s FD's, Skylines (RWD models, maybe one or two AWD's but I would not know...)...and of cousre the AE86... I'm learning a thing or two and what I do know is being a bit re-enforced...
Yes we do get the rahter sub par truck engine. Just why Nissan did that is beyond me aside from the fact usually in Ameirca or least up to a point we ofthen got the lower end of performace cars be it Japan or Ameirca, BMW did the same with the M models, whole the Europeans got 320 horses, we only had 240... even today with the E46 models, they have just over 340 while we are 333, though it's not as bad as it was then. There were some exceptions such as the Mitsubishi 3000GT, Nissan 3000ZX (Z32?) and Toyota Supra, if I recall correlcty all three produced 300-320bhp compaired to the 276-280 Japan got. Though 2 ouf of three were rather slugish less you knew how to work them into able cars (heck, the 300ZX Z32 and 3000GT were and still are childhood favorites alongside the ZR-1 and F40...and the Supra is a cool car in my opinion too...)... be it driving tecunique in addition to any and all changes to them...
Back to some relevance to drifting... what is easy or not is subjective and it depends on experiences and what one wants...I'm used to drifting in hairpins and they are some of my better skill points... though I'm also good in most high speed corner drifts save for a few on Mid field and Apricot hill (it took a while last time out to get re used to being able to clear that drfting the double apex...well...with a stock power Z06... (and stock weight)...though it was modded in other ares... namley suspenion, brakes, etc...)...
Nigs, first off since I haven't seen ya before such, welcome to GT3 and hope you enjoy your stay, second, it's possible to be very good drifting with the dual shock, I use it and I'm better with it on GT3, hell, if I bothered to try I'd prob be good also on Richard Burns and Live for speed (maybe, perhaps not), back onto topic again... it's possible but it takes a sure hell long time, time, concentration and determination.
I think a key reason to why I'm decent with throttle and braking control, in addition to streeing (well one is no less important the other) is Ridge racer V...
How did an arcade game have anyting to do with this? Namco took advantage of the pressure sensitivy of the dual shock... to a point it's rather scary on one end how sensitive some cars on some ends... but for me it got to a point that it's now ingrained in my head to do some things far as steering and throttle control go. I use the left analog stick for the steering and the buttons for the throttle and brake. My drifting is up to some par with the vets and pros maybe... but I lack a video caputre card to really show much... if anything.
Lets just say I have drifted the double apex with some stock cars including the Mustang SVT Cobra R and Corvette Z06 (for me it feels more natural to drift thru that turn than grip it, even when racing at times, stupid as that will sound, but given all the times I have cleared that corner, I feel comfortable trying to drift it even though you're more open to mistakes at high speed drifting than gripping THAT corner, but this is me so perhaps I'm just nuts, and again, at times...and depending on the senario too.) though again, no means to actually show it so all I am saying could be nonsense for all anyone cares save for Gabkicks since we know each other. But then again he lacks a vid capture card too
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But it's possible...
As for the high and low power drifting said topic, namley started by prodriver...
Some things are subjecte if not everything in relation to things like skill, car bhp, etc...
Yes high HP drifting is something intresting and I can see how it can be something to hide skill becuase getting a car to drift with high power seams to weigh a little more on the thottle than steering, it all depends on that car and to what degree it's modded though, I could mod a car to make it harder to drift though it seams like something to contradict (more on that explained later...)... but it depends on what you're trying to do and learn...
But it does take indeed skill to drift bone stock cars, depending on what you're trying to do and your experience level, that can be either easy or hard.
I have or either tried a bone stock red Z06, also a dark blue Altezza, an R34 GTR, and have drifted bone stock an SVT Cobra R, NSX Type S Zero, and Type R, and R32 GTR (thought that did not go so well...), 3000GT VR4, 22B, Camaro Z28, the C-Razo West S15 (well as stock as a race car can get anyway...), MR2 SW20 GTS, yada yada...I'm used to most of them (well not yet for the NSX's...)... and you learn some things that you probally would not with moded cars...
as for moded cars... I haven't been too big on power for a long time. The two moded Z06's I have, one yellow, one black are both stock power but with extensive suspesnion, brake, and transmsion mods and tuning. I used the yellow one for power experiments, namley for research on a story, at a minimal, I'll have the racing muffler, at best, NA tuning with a computer chip, anywhere from 400 to 600 but I usually revert back to 400 or lower, the black one is for another experiment, as for the other cars far as I can recall... 300 for a SW20 GTS MR2, 290 for a S13, 480 for a Z32 and 420 for a 3000GT, and 200 for an AE86 (or 245 for the rally races).
So far one car I am keeping up at close to 600 is my Grand Sport that I'm trying to bread to beat a very hard time Gabkick's set with a stock Mine's R34 (on sims) around Apricot Hill...I either have to make that car lighter or find a way to get power down the tires better since I have to stick to sims. Though I like to send that sideways since that served a role as a drift car as well. I may try higer output mods but I don't feel much to it right now, and beisdes the fact I'm nowhere near a PS2 or GT3 (or 4
). BTW, because nobody cares, I also leave the weight stock on all of them excluding the Camaro as of late (and it's starting to feel more like a Z06 which is a good thing I guess....rather wierd in my opinion but something good I suppose...)...since I just want to see how to handle stock weight before I would go all out reducing weight on any said car.
But for the most part I drift stock cars though I like using my moded ones, a key reason is research for that story but also to learn how to model them down to some ideal racing/drifting settings though to what is subjective (again).
Sometimes I may actually tune my cars for more (yes you heard correct) grip and see if I can break traction any more or less effecitvely than I would tuning a car to be tailhappy at any speed. It may sound like a contradiction to drift but for me I want to be able to have some setup that's some fine spot between race and drift. Be it race able enough that I have grip but when I want to break that traction at a given corner and speed and go sideways to no end thru a serries of corners and look like I'm something out of Best Motoring, Top Gear, D1 or Initial D, etc becuase it's just so fun at times (though at times fustrating... it did take me a while to remember just how to clear the double apex of Apricot hill again on a good pace and angle...).
In short, I (like others perhaps) tune their cars to what I would prefer, closer and closer to some degree of perfection that is also subjective, but also obviousy try and learn skill wise how to make the best use of said settings or of bone stock cars.
I'm gonna stop now since I'm sure I've said a lot. Till later.
